Laser Printer: 18 PPM, Minolta QMS PagePro 4110W, $200. + shipping @tigerdirect

[flomokev]

Minolta


A few facts posted, including statements attributed to a tigerdirect employee, conflict with what on Minolta web site.

 

[XeonTux]

Seems the email some of you received seems to be misleading, if not flat out BS:

* Huge paper capacity---up to 1250 sheets! -- IF you but more trays, it only comes with a 250 sheet tray

* It's network-ready, with built-in 10/100 Ethernet! -- Yeah, once you add the optional NIC

* It's duplex printing-capable! -- Of course the duplexor is optional too (not really BS cause he said "capable")

* It offers Adobe PostScript 3 and PCL compatibility! -- NOT THIS MODEL!!! No postscript here! (or PCL) ...and this is what gave me a hardon in the first place (along with the non-existant NIC) The 4100 E has postscript and pcl6. This is the "winblows" version hence the "w" from what I can reckon. See this QMS spec link, more accurate than CNET I could not find this page on the website, as this is NOT A CURRENT MODEL...but google is my friend



On a lighter note, it has 2MB standard, with a 100-pin DSDRAM DIMM slot to upgrade to 64MB. The manual references crucial part numbers...At least it's cheap.
64MB - ct16m32s4p8 - $22.49
64MB - ct16m32s4p10 - $22.49



Check out this review:

At the lowest-quality setting of 600 x 600 dpi, the printer completed 10 pages of text at a rate of 12.5ppm. The first page appeared in 18 seconds. In general, I was pleased with the great print speed and crisp, dark text. At the default setting of 1,200 x 600 dpi, text was still right on the mark, but when I added graphics, it was a different story. The printer slowed a bit to 10ppm, but that's not a problem at all compared to the quality of the graphics. The problem was that grays were very grainy, and I noticed a lot of banding. Horizontal lines sliced through the charts. It was the same story for the PowerPoint slides.

You can probably guess what I'm going to say next. High-resolution graphics (printed at the maximum quality of 1,200 x 1,200 dpi) were a disaster. The printer didn't cut out any segments of the images, but I saw more banded lines than I cared to count. Even after following the tips in the printer's troubleshooting guide, there was still a lot of banding. This printer has a 28MHz processor and only 2MB of installed RAM, so increasing to the maximum 66MB of RAM might improve image quality.

This isn't the printer for high-resolution graphics. Laser printers rarely are, but I wouldn't buy this one if you print many graphics at all. However, because of the speedy printing and excellent, sharp fonts, I would recommend this printer if you need text, text, and more text.



Not to mention this thing has no real display on the control panel, just crappy LEDs. I think I will continue my search for a new printer and pass this one up (still kicking myself for passing up the IBM network printer deal of yesteryear). I would rather have an older postscript HP than this. Probably easier to work on with cheaper/more readily available parts, and likely more reliable. A previous employer had alot of Minolta copiers, and they were out of service more than they were IN service. Hope for you guys the printers are more reliable....

But I guess for what it is its still a good price. Should be better than "personal" laser printers that are normally in this price range. I don't want to thread crap, just point out what I've found in my research. I would have been pissed if I ordered after reading the email, expecting alot more than it is.

edit: Oh yeah, I almost forgot... TigerDirect made no mention of WARRANTY? But maybe I missed it

 

[anakin71]

Thanks for the post XeonTux. You made enough arguments against it to make me want to pass on it. I really don't print that many graphics (just whatever's on a web page mainly) but would feel better if I knew the capability of printing good graphics was there. Sounds like it'll be a Brother 1440 for me....whenever a hot deal for one pops up.

Thanks again.

 

[cremefilled]

Anyone remember Drew Alan Kaplan and his "DAK" company? They used to sell everything from radar detectors to graphic equalizers to bread machines to X10 home automation equipment. Anyway, this Carl Fiorentino's blowhard salesmanship brings back some memories (fond memories, actually) of that type of electronic hucksterism. Buyer beware, of course.

 

[nekote]

Crucial 64MB SDRAM memory
64MB - ct16m32s4p8 - $22.49 8 ns - 125 MHz
64MB - ct16m32s4p10 - $22.49 10 ns - 100 MHz

Cartridges:
3K mfr #1710399-002 $65.22 at ProVantage
6K mfr #1710405-002 $126 at www.qms.com
9K mfr #1710398-001 $175.77 at ProVantage

Seems cartridges for PagePro 18, PP18, Minolta series 4100, PagePro 1100 all useable in this 4110W model?

D'ya think the 5,000 page cart. that comes w/purchase is really 3K or 6K ? YMMV
Just like that built in Ethernet port? Just a bit of a typo, don't ya' know!

BTW: For 1100 model, qms.com wants $299 for NIC, $149 for 64MB, $399 for SC-110 Scanner / Copier option, $149 for extra paper trays, ....
Sheesh

 

[MesBoogie]

cremefilled - I remember DAK. I remember DAK well. I bought my very first computer from them. It was a Bondwell laptop. The thing was phenomenal! It had an 8088 8Mhz processor, 640K RAM, and (2) 720K floppies. Running Wordperfect 5.1 required swapping floppies on a regular basis.

-mb

Note: I actually thought about getting in on this deal but the earlier review has sent me elsewhere.

 

[vegetation]

Ok, so what happened to DAK? I too remember getting their cataloges and sucking in their hype by dreaming of owning some of their crap Of course, I was a fool back then..

 

[subpar]

Yeah, whatever happened to DAK?

Anyways, I was gonna buy the printer thinking it had built-in PostScript Level 3....but it doesn't. That e-mail selling the printer is blatantly misleading. If they actually sold the printer with all the advertised features, it'd be awesome. I'll stick with my HP 2100 for the time being.

 

[cremefilled]

<< I remember DAK well. I bought my very first computer from them. It was a Bondwell laptop. The thing was phenomenal! It had an 8088 8Mhz processor, 640K RAM, and (2) 720K floppies. >>



MesBoogie, you always remember your first! Experiencing a pair of floppies for the first time is an unforgettable experience.

 

[hoho]

4110W or 1440L, which is better? I really need a printer to replace my HP 952C intjet printer ( this baby is toooo slow, one page per minute when printing powerpoint slides)
I think 4110W is not too bad for general use.
anybody owns this printer? tell us your feeling please.

 

[TheBeast]

I'm trying to figure out why you guys think that this is not a good deal because its not AS good of a deal as the promotional email makes it out to be. If you compare it to the Brother HL-1440, how is it not comparable in every way? Consumables are extremely comparable at about 2 cents/page. Both are parallel/USB. Both can have their RAM upgraded to 64MB. Both are compatible with Win9x, Me, 2000, XP. The QMS right now is cheaper than the brother, its faster, and has the capability to print 1200x1200 resolution. As for the banding, while not talked about as much, it is also talked about in this review of the HL-1440 by the same reviewer.

<< You'll pay about 2.4 cents per page with the 3,000-page Standard Cartridge or 2 cents per page with the 6,000-page Hi-Yield Cartridge. If you print a lot of graphics, you'll probably see a drop in both price and quality. On the other hand, if you're primarily after quick, quality text, [/b]you'll be ecstatic about the HL-1440's groundbreaking low price. [/b] >>



Keep in mind also, that $350 price difference at the times of the review of these 2 printers.

Those looking for post script support, can you name a printer with post script support for $200

 

[BrodeeTX]

Check this out.... Some guy on Ebay is trying to sell you the name of the company selling these for $199.99. He put up a dutch auction for $4.99.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322632213

 

[StevoDaDevo]

Toner is $200 !!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP

 

[TheBeast]

<< Toner is $200 !!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP >>



Yeah, for 9000 pages, $177 for 9000 pages equals 2 cents/page.

 

[hoho]

TheBeast:


<< Both can have their RAM upgraded to 64MB >>




The MAX memory for 4110W is 18MB, is this correct?
4110W Specifications

 

[LegendKiller]

Anybody know what the print yeild on the average HP deksjet cart is? I have a 930c and I am thinking of buying this but I am also trying to compare prices. Thanks.

LK

 

[subpar]

TheBeast,

No one is saying this is not a deal. It is a good deal for what it is. I was simply stating that if they had all those features for $200, I'd jump on it. As it stands, it's not worth buying over what I already have.

subpar

 

[howiehour]

<< Check this out.... Some guy on Ebay is trying to sell you the name of the company selling these for $199.99. He put up a dutch auction for $4.99.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322632213 >>



VERY tempted to leave him feedback stating that I sincerely appreciate his link to TIGERDIRECT.COM. Selling this info is borderline fraudulent, but information is power, I guess. And many people pay for good info.

 

[TheBeast]

<< The MAX memory for 4110W is 18MB, is this correct? >>



Like everything else on Tiger's page, its wrong. If you download the manual here, you'll see that the 4110w has 1 DIMM slot which will take the 64MB module referenced earlier giving it a maximum of 66MB memory.

 

[TheScalpel]

What ever happened to DAK?

DAK 2000 Website

Here you go!

 

[nekote]

From: PagePro 4110W User Manual (in English)

7.3 Installing a DIMM memory module
This printer is equipped with 2MB of memory capacity as standard. The
memory capacity can be expanded to a m aximum of 66MB with
commercially available SDRAM-DIMM memory modules. Memory
modules of the following sizes may be used: 32 and 64MB.
This printer supports 32bit/100pin DSDRAM DIMM, which consists of
4 bit, 8 bit, or 16 bit SDRAM chips in JEDEC standard, such as:
l Viking: H4143A(32MB), H3913(64MB)
l Golden RAM: C4143A
l Melco (Buffalo): PM-HP32M(32MB), C3913(64MB)
l Crucial Technology: CT8M32S4P8(32MB), CT8M32S4P10(32MB), CT16M32S4P8(64MB), CT16M32S4P10(64MB)
l Delkin Devices: DM100-032Y3Q488-10S1P(32MB), DM100-032Y3Q446-10D2P(32MB), DM100-064Y3Q488-10D2P(64MB).


Another $.02: Even though the "starter" cart. may be good for "only" 3K pages or so, *IF* that is worth $65 or so, one could think of this deal as a laser printer for $125 + $65 cartridge.

I must resist. I must resist!

 

[doinmybestatlast]

Thanks Ray06492, I'm in on this one and also the 2560bx model w/duplex, 10/100, two trays and 25ppm for $549.99. This is a steal. I was going to buy a comparable HP for $1,500, but at this price this is one unbelievable deal. Shipping on the 2560bx is $124 though. For anyone that has business printing needs this is the way to go. The color laser model at $1000 is also tempting.

If this works out - Ray06492 you have my vote for deal of the year!

 

[magicbrillo]

bump - nice deal!

 

[Schmo]

Looks like the 199 buck one is a dead deal now.

 

[XeonTux]

hehe, I remember DAK. I bought from them more than once, back in the day. He had some great deals at times, like his WordStar bundle...not like most people here even knows what WordStar was