LASIK...Are You Happy?

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I'm going in for a Lasik evaluation in October - my firm's health savings plan requires us to opt in for the following year by November 1, so if they give me the green light for the surgery I will get it sometime this winter. Blue Cross/Blue Shield has a deal with a company called TruVision that will get me about a 40% discount, plus since I'm paying with pretax money, I'm effectively saving another 40% or so. We shall see . . .
 

KK

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Originally posted by: TygGer
Has anyone ever read: http://www.thelasikreport.com

Any truth to what they're talking about???? I'm concerned...

I think that pdf is a farce. They are up-playing the incidences to fit their agenda, which is the last sentence, "As such, the practice of LASIK should be discontinued".

There are risks but they are very small, not anywhere near what this waste of bytes is claiming.
 

gsellis

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I am more unsatisfied with the results than satisfied. But, I do enjoy the freedom it has given me in sports (surfing, cycling).

I was better than 20/20 corrected before. I was near-sighted with astigmatism. I am now 20/50 with one eye far-sighted, one near. Both have a bi-polar astimatism. I can see well enough to drive, but I am going from perfect corrected vision to less than perfect uncorrected vision. I had LASIK on both eyes, twice, and other procedures trying to fix the issues. I have to use reading glasses, especially in low light.

 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: gsellis
I am more unsatisfied with the results than satisfied. But, I do enjoy the freedom it has given me in sports (surfing, cycling).

I was better than 20/20 corrected before. I was near-sighted with astigmatism. I am now 20/50 with one eye far-sighted, one near. Both have a bi-polar astimatism. I can see well enough to drive, but I am going from perfect corrected vision to less than perfect uncorrected vision. I had LASIK on both eyes, twice, and other procedures trying to fix the issues. I have to use reading glasses, especially in low light.

When did you have yours done, and what was your starting eyesight?
 

TygGer

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Originally posted by: gsellis
Originally posted by: vi_edit
When did you have yours done, and what was your starting eyesight?
2000-2001 and 3.75x? ? which is 20/200+



What type of procedure did you have done? Intralase, custom vue, etc??? Where did you have it done and do you know what excimer machine it was?
 

TygGer

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Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TygGer
Has anyone ever read: http://www.thelasikreport.com

Any truth to what they're talking about???? I'm concerned...

I think that pdf is a farce. They are up-playing the incidences to fit their agenda, which is the last sentence, "As such, the practice of LASIK should be discontinued".

There are risks but they are very small, not anywhere near what this waste of bytes is claiming.


I was pretty confident with going through with lasik. Now I'm really concerned. Ive searched the web and although the majority of people have been happy, the horror stories are a big turn off.

I got that link from this forum: http://lasikflap.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

Everyone there is against lasik! Supposedly, your visual quality is never the same (as good w/ contact or glasses), the cornea never heals correctly, and nerves are permanently cut when making the flap wihich leads to inevitable dry eyes.

 

Playmaker

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Originally posted by: TygGer
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TygGer
Has anyone ever read: http://www.thelasikreport.com

Any truth to what they're talking about???? I'm concerned...

I think that pdf is a farce. They are up-playing the incidences to fit their agenda, which is the last sentence, "As such, the practice of LASIK should be discontinued".

There are risks but they are very small, not anywhere near what this waste of bytes is claiming.


I was pretty confident with going through with lasik. Now I'm really concerned. Ive searched the web and although the majority of people have been happy, the horror stories are a big turn off.

I got that link from this forum: http://lasikflap.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

Everyone there is against lasik! Supposedly, your visual quality is never the same (as good w/ contact or glasses), the cornea never heals correctly, and nerves are permanently cut when making the flap wihich leads to inevitable dry eyes.

I've read quite a few of those websites, so I've decided to stay away. I wear 30 day night and day contacts that I take out once a week and it really isn't that inconvenient.

I've been reading more and more about those implants and another alternative that reshapes your lens, but isn't permanent. I plan on waiting on those. I'd feel more comfortable with a non-permanent correction.
 

slag

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had it done a couple years ago.. one of the best things ever since i was blind without my glasses and i had to take my contacts out around 7 pm every night because my eyes got so dry.

With lasik, i never have dry eyes and no halos..
 

Paddington

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Playmaker
If you've had LASIK, are you happy?

I remember reading a Golf Digest article from a few years ago about Tiger and dozens of other pro golfers and other athletes getting it done around 2000 when it first became wide-spread and thinking I'd never do it myself. However, I'm now 22 and my eyes have been relatively stable lately, so I'm thinking about taking the plunge.

I realize there are immediate risks, but once the procedure is done, have there been any common long-term risks? LASIK has been around for at least a decade, so there must be enough long-term data out there.

Or are all of us near-sighted individuals still better off sticking with contacts?

I had lasik done 7 yrs ago. have i been happy with results, YES. have there been negative side effects? NO.

btw, if you are interested talk to my brother in LA, CA. one of the top lasik surgeons in CA. he does about 20 procedures / week. (that's about all he does).

http://www.click2lasik.com

web site above.

From your brother's website:

At the age of 19, Dr. Joseph Y. Lee scored 71 on his MCAT, Medical College Admissions Test (higher than the average of the top three U.S. Medical schools that year)

That's very nice. Especially since the highest score you can get is a 45.

 

PlatinumGold

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Originally posted by: Paddington
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Playmaker
If you've had LASIK, are you happy?

I remember reading a Golf Digest article from a few years ago about Tiger and dozens of other pro golfers and other athletes getting it done around 2000 when it first became wide-spread and thinking I'd never do it myself. However, I'm now 22 and my eyes have been relatively stable lately, so I'm thinking about taking the plunge.

I realize there are immediate risks, but once the procedure is done, have there been any common long-term risks? LASIK has been around for at least a decade, so there must be enough long-term data out there.

Or are all of us near-sighted individuals still better off sticking with contacts?

I had lasik done 7 yrs ago. have i been happy with results, YES. have there been negative side effects? NO.

btw, if you are interested talk to my brother in LA, CA. one of the top lasik surgeons in CA. he does about 20 procedures / week. (that's about all he does).

http://www.click2lasik.com

web site above.

From your brother's website:

At the age of 19, Dr. Joseph Y. Lee scored 71 on his MCAT, Medical College Admissions Test (higher than the average of the top three U.S. Medical schools that year)

That's very nice. Especially since the highest score you can get is a 45.

thats very nice if you know history, they change how the MCAT was scored since he took it.

he took it in the mid 80's.

 

LordSnailz

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For those that have done, what technology did you use? Thinking about going with the wavefront technology ... seems like the safest?
 

Jgtdragon

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I am so confused. I have went to three doctors for consulations. One say he recommend I use PRK, the other two say lasik is fine with my eyes which include I have an option of regular lasik and wavefront procedure. wavefront is the newest technology and should be the best but most expensive.

Not sure I should do regular lasik or Wavefront.

One more appointment today with another doctor to see.
 

StarGazerVSP

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EpiLasik which is PRK does have an advantage since no nerve cells are damaged, and there is no permanent flap.

You can get PRK with wavefront too.
 

SP33Demon

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No, I regressed to -1 in each eye after 3 years. But w/e, I can still function w/out contacts unless I REALLY need to see.
 

Jgtdragon

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
No, I regressed to -1 in each eye after 3 years. But w/e, I can still function w/out contacts unless I REALLY need to see.

How old are you? Your eyes didn't get stable before the surgery?
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I've heard that side effects can be dry eyes and halos at night

Yep, very common side effects actually.

Also, if you have a moderate refractive index (< -4 or -5) dont do it. Your corneas harden as you age and you become hyperopic, this alone will "fix" your myopia. Unless you want to get the procedure every 5 years or so, or were bifocals when you get old.
 

Jgtdragon

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Well, after seeing 4 doctors I think I will spend a little mroe money and do the wavefront lasik. It eliminates night time halo and stuff that the old lasik might not fix. An extra 1k is worth paying for your eyes.
 

StarGazerVSP

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If you are far sighted Lasik isn't a good choice for you, since it doesn't work well in people who are far sighted.
 

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I've heard that side effects can be dry eyes and halos at night

Yep, very common side effects actually.

Also, if you have a moderate refractive index (< -4 or -5) dont do it. Your corneas harden as you age and you become hyperopic, this alone will "fix" your myopia. Unless you want to get the procedure every 5 years or so, or were bifocals when you get old.


I don't think it's suitable this day and age to generalize about the future. Are you expecting the same procedure to be around for the next million years? 5 years later there will be something new, something new again 5 years later. It's hard to take any long-term side-effects seriously.

I say if it will work for the near-future, do it.
 

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i got PRK done in april free thanks to military service...ive been told PRK is more stable than lasik since lasik only cuts a flap which can be dislodged by physical activity, PRK changes the cornea so its more stable, although it takes longer to heal.

surgery was quick, 10 minutes top...didnt feel a thing, but i could smell something burning. everything was blurry for the next 5 days but it was worth it in the long run. my left eye was slow to catch up but now i see 20/20 in both eyes. dry eyes and halos were common for the first couple of months but theyve since disappeared. signing up for this surgery was the best choice i made this all year...buying a $100 xbox 360 is a distant second
 

ShinmenTakezo

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I'm a medical student and I'm currently rotating with an ophthalmologist, so while I'm not an expert by any means, I can probably try to clear up some of the issues that have been brought up.

Originally posted by: Kaido
I have a friend who works at an eyeglass shop...I was discussing Lasik with her and she wasn't sold on it. She said they cut your cornea (?) and if they mess up, they just keep cutting it without telling you. Once it's cut, you can never "uncut" it, so you're stuck that way. She also said that eventually you will have to get glasses again. So I'm not quite ready to take the plunge yet

This is partly untrue. Your cornea is made of epithelial cells which regenerate extremely quickly. This is what allows the short recovery time with LASIK patients. In the LASIK procedure, a flap is made in the cornea. This is extremely important. If you get a bad flap, it increases the risk for complications. However, you can just replace the flap and wait several weeks for it to heal and it will be as if the flap was never made. Another attempt at the procedure can be made at this point. Some doctors will go ahead with the surgery even if they make a bad flap and this is what causes most of the horror stories you hear. Once the laser cuts away at your cornea, that part can't be reversed, but this is also what corrects your vision so there's no way around that. And yes, presbyopia, or age-related changes in vision will occur, but that happens to everyone regardless of whether they get LASIK or not.

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Wait until implants are approved here like they are in Europe. They are a much much better option.

What you are referring to are Phakic IOLs (intra ocular implants). IOL procedures have been performed routinely in the US, but they are to replace lenses in cataract patients. Phakic IOLS are slightly different, designed to correct refractive error in a person with a healthy lens. There are currently Phakic IOLs made by 2 companies that are FDA approved. I believe that you can get this procedure done right now, although it is not as widespreak as LASIK. These are a good option for people who are not candidates for laser surgery. They also have the advantage of being removable.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

i'm not sure what kind of implants you are referring to, but there is one type of implant, they put a ring in your cornea to change the shape of it. it has had moderate success at best, actually my brother has 4 US patents on a procedure that allows him to adjust the thickness of the ring once it's in your eye.

the advantage of the ring over lasik is, the ring procedure is reversible, once in, if patient doesn't like the results the ring can be removed.

but it wasn't as good as the eyesite got worse, i think the ring wasn't good for anything beyond like -5 or so.

What you are referring to is Intacs or intracorneal rings. Like you mentioned they are only good for people with mild nearsightedness and are limited to several diopters of correction. These are also removable. They are actually placed inside the cornea whereas the Phakic IOLs are placed in behind the cornea, in front of the lens.

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
For those that have done, what technology did you use? Thinking about going with the wavefront technology ... seems like the safest?

The Wavefront technology, or Custom Lasik as some places call it, makes a 3D map of your cornea and allows the laser to adjust for the specific curvature of your cornea. It has the potential to make your vision slightly sharper and it minimizes the side effects. I don't know if it is really any safer, but it makes the surgery more precise.

Originally posted by: aries2k1
i got PRK done in april free thanks to military service...ive been told PRK is more stable than lasik since lasik only cuts a flap which can be dislodged by physical activity, PRK changes the cornea so its more stable, although it takes longer to heal.

PRK has it's own advantages and disadvantages compared to LASIK. For people with thinner corneas it is safer since making a flap is unneccessary. People with high refractive error or large pupils will probably also have better results with PRK than LASIK. The disadvantages are since you are actually cutting away at part of the surface epithelium, it takes longer to recover and your vision will also take longer to improve to 20/20, sometimes up to a month as compared to several days with LASIK. The first few days after can also be very painful. The next 3 months after your procedure you also need to avoid getting water in your eyes or rubbing them as it may hinder the healing process and can possibly cause infection.

If you are considering PRK, ask your doctor if he performs the procedure with Mitomycin C. It is an antibiotic that has been shown to prevent haze in PRK patients.

Patients over 40 who are considering LASIK or PRK are eligible for a situation called monovision. They will correct one eye for distance sight and one for near sight, eliminating the need for reading glasses. As long as the difference in correction is not greater than 3 diopters, the brain should be able to correct for the differential. However, some people don't take to this well, and your depth perception is slightly affected.

I personally had PRK a few years ago and am satisfied with it. I was at -9.00 D in both eyes which is why I opted for it even though I was a candidate for LASIK. I get some halos at night, but it's fairly minor and it doesn't affect my vision overall. My surgery was performed by Dr. Dan Durrie in Overland Park, KS and I'd highly recommend him to anyone considering it in the Kansas City area.

One thing to remember is it's not a good idea to choose a doctor based on price. Although it is fairly safe procedure, it's still surgery and it's irreversible. Pay the extra money to go with a doctor you trust and has a good reputation. Feel free to ask how many procedures they're performed and their success rate. Also, the sign of a good doctor is that they will turn you away if you are a bad candidate. I've known people who have doctor shopped until they found someone who would perform the surgery when others wouldn't. Some with good results and others not so good. The doctor who refuses to perform surgery on you has your interests at heart as their decision directly conflicts with their own monetary benefit. Especially now that the Phakic IOLs are an option.

Hope that helps. Feel free to PM me with any questions.


 
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