LASIK...Are You Happy?

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gsellis

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BTW, this is the site with the most on complications and actually works to help solve them.

http://www.surgicaleyes.org/

As for dry eyes, I am not convinced on this one. I have had some issues with it later, but I wonder if it is related more to the fact that as a previous glasses wearer, I had lenses in front of my face that blocked my eyes from drying out. Now with out those 'shields' in front of my eyes, I am more sensitive to wind in my face. And with contacts, the 'irritation' in the eye would compensate for 'dry' eyes.
 

SilthDraeth

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Do a bit more research. There is LASIK, and LASEK. Laser Epithelial Keratomileusis (LASEK) is similar to LASIK, except that the surgeon cuts a flap in the epithelium only, instead of through the epithelium and part of the stroma.

It is similar to LASIK, only in the end it is better. Basically the cut and flap in LASIK will never fully heal, nerve endings are completely cut. In LASEK only the very outer most layer, which your eye sheds anyways is cut, and pulled back.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: kranky
My wife had it done 6 months ago and just had an enhancement two weeks ago. Her vision was terrible and had to wear glasses everywhere. She is very pleased with the outcome after the enhancement. Her eyes were very dry for about 4-5 months after the initial procedure, but that could have been aggravated due to it being winter, and the heating system running a lot. She has minimal halos.

For someone who had to wear glasses every waking moment except in the shower, she is thrilled to have good vision without glasses.

A good thing to do when you have the dry eyes is to take Fish Oil supplements.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: TygGer
I really want to get this done because everyone that I've personally talked to has had nothing but great things to say about it.

I've already gone in for the consultation and the only next to do is schedule the surgery.

Same here....but i have anxiety with things going on around my eyes. I started getting dizzy and sweating profusely after they put all of those drops in my eyes to test them. Ill probably pass out during the surgery while its cutting my eyes. lol
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: StarGazerVSP
EpiLasik which is PRK does have an advantage since no nerve cells are damaged, and there is no permanent flap.

You can get PRK with wavefront too.

I was told by the one of the people during the evaluation that the flap reseals instantly.
 

nvmyz71

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Originally posted by: JToxic
My pupils are too large. Doctor says that in the future, the surgery will be an option for me, but for now its contacts.

My last eye doctor said the same to me... however my new eye doctor said that it is in fact an option for me, it just all depends on who you go to to have it done. For those that say it's not an option for you, apparently translates to, you are not a classified as a cookie cutter case and your fitting will have to be customized in order to be fitted. I was told that a Lasik machine will cost in the neighborhood of a million dollars with an additionals upgrades costing somewhere in the 6 figure range. Some of the smaller operations don't have enough customers coming in where they can afford to stay current with the upgrades, so they're using older technology, where some of the major contenders in Lasik are able afford to stay current and take patients who require custom fitting and they're able to do this and with really good results. He said he would refer me to TLC "The Laser Center" in Indianapolis.
 

TygGer

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Originally posted by: ATLien247
Is it worth the risk for someone with -1.75R/-1.5L?


Good question. Mine is only -1.5 in both eyes. I asked the same question to my eye doc and she said that it was a personal decision. She gave me the standard answer that it was surgery and with surgery, there's always a possibility of complications. I don't know if she get's any referral money, but she didn't say not to do it. I told her I disliked having to wear glasses for distance and she referred me to a TLC center.

You should go to your regular eye doc first and get their opinions. I know some places don't like lasik...

Then let us know what they told you...

 

TygGer

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I've heard that side effects can be dry eyes and halos at night

Yep, very common side effects actually.

Also, if you have a moderate refractive index (< -4 or -5) dont do it. Your corneas harden as you age and you become hyperopic, this alone will "fix" your myopia. Unless you want to get the procedure every 5 years or so, or were bifocals when you get old.



Yes, I also heard that dry eyes and halos were the common issues. I've also heard that with the "customvue," it greatly reduces/eliminates halos due to more precise operation.

 

TygGer

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Originally posted by: ShinmenTakezo
I'm a medical student and I'm currently rotating with an ophthalmologist, so while I'm not an expert by any means, I can probably try to clear up some of the issues that have been brought up.

Originally posted by: Kaido
I have a friend who works at an eyeglass shop...I was discussing Lasik with her and she wasn't sold on it. She said they cut your cornea (?) and if they mess up, they just keep cutting it without telling you. Once it's cut, you can never "uncut" it, so you're stuck that way. She also said that eventually you will have to get glasses again. So I'm not quite ready to take the plunge yet

This is partly untrue. Your cornea is made of epithelial cells which regenerate extremely quickly. This is what allows the short recovery time with LASIK patients. In the LASIK procedure, a flap is made in the cornea. This is extremely important. If you get a bad flap, it increases the risk for complications. However, you can just replace the flap and wait several weeks for it to heal and it will be as if the flap was never made. Another attempt at the procedure can be made at this point. Some doctors will go ahead with the surgery even if they make a bad flap and this is what causes most of the horror stories you hear. Once the laser cuts away at your cornea, that part can't be reversed, but this is also what corrects your vision so there's no way around that. And yes, presbyopia, or age-related changes in vision will occur, but that happens to everyone regardless of whether they get LASIK or not.

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Wait until implants are approved here like they are in Europe. They are a much much better option.

What you are referring to are Phakic IOLs (intra ocular implants). IOL procedures have been performed routinely in the US, but they are to replace lenses in cataract patients. Phakic IOLS are slightly different, designed to correct refractive error in a person with a healthy lens. There are currently Phakic IOLs made by 2 companies that are FDA approved. I believe that you can get this procedure done right now, although it is not as widespreak as LASIK. These are a good option for people who are not candidates for laser surgery. They also have the advantage of being removable.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

i'm not sure what kind of implants you are referring to, but there is one type of implant, they put a ring in your cornea to change the shape of it. it has had moderate success at best, actually my brother has 4 US patents on a procedure that allows him to adjust the thickness of the ring once it's in your eye.

the advantage of the ring over lasik is, the ring procedure is reversible, once in, if patient doesn't like the results the ring can be removed.

but it wasn't as good as the eyesite got worse, i think the ring wasn't good for anything beyond like -5 or so.

What you are referring to is Intacs or intracorneal rings. Like you mentioned they are only good for people with mild nearsightedness and are limited to several diopters of correction. These are also removable. They are actually placed inside the cornea whereas the Phakic IOLs are placed in behind the cornea, in front of the lens.

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
For those that have done, what technology did you use? Thinking about going with the wavefront technology ... seems like the safest?

The Wavefront technology, or Custom Lasik as some places call it, makes a 3D map of your cornea and allows the laser to adjust for the specific curvature of your cornea. It has the potential to make your vision slightly sharper and it minimizes the side effects. I don't know if it is really any safer, but it makes the surgery more precise.

Originally posted by: aries2k1
i got PRK done in april free thanks to military service...ive been told PRK is more stable than lasik since lasik only cuts a flap which can be dislodged by physical activity, PRK changes the cornea so its more stable, although it takes longer to heal.

PRK has it's own advantages and disadvantages compared to LASIK. For people with thinner corneas it is safer since making a flap is unneccessary. People with high refractive error or large pupils will probably also have better results with PRK than LASIK. The disadvantages are since you are actually cutting away at part of the surface epithelium, it takes longer to recover and your vision will also take longer to improve to 20/20, sometimes up to a month as compared to several days with LASIK. The first few days after can also be very painful. The next 3 months after your procedure you also need to avoid getting water in your eyes or rubbing them as it may hinder the healing process and can possibly cause infection.

If you are considering PRK, ask your doctor if he performs the procedure with Mitomycin C. It is an antibiotic that has been shown to prevent haze in PRK patients.

Patients over 40 who are considering LASIK or PRK are eligible for a situation called monovision. They will correct one eye for distance sight and one for near sight, eliminating the need for reading glasses. As long as the difference in correction is not greater than 3 diopters, the brain should be able to correct for the differential. However, some people don't take to this well, and your depth perception is slightly affected.

I personally had PRK a few years ago and am satisfied with it. I was at -9.00 D in both eyes which is why I opted for it even though I was a candidate for LASIK. I get some halos at night, but it's fairly minor and it doesn't affect my vision overall. My surgery was performed by Dr. Dan Durrie in Overland Park, KS and I'd highly recommend him to anyone considering it in the Kansas City area.

One thing to remember is it's not a good idea to choose a doctor based on price. Although it is fairly safe procedure, it's still surgery and it's irreversible. Pay the extra money to go with a doctor you trust and has a good reputation. Feel free to ask how many procedures they're performed and their success rate. Also, the sign of a good doctor is that they will turn you away if you are a bad candidate. I've known people who have doctor shopped until they found someone who would perform the surgery when others wouldn't. Some with good results and others not so good. The doctor who refuses to perform surgery on you has your interests at heart as their decision directly conflicts with their own monetary benefit. Especially now that the Phakic IOLs are an option.

Hope that helps. Feel free to PM me with any questions.



ShinmenTakezo,

No offense, but being that you just registered and posted your first post here in the off topic forum has made me a bit skeptical. I appreciate the info, but it's hard to determine what one's hidden agenda may be, so plz understand.

On another note.

So if the they cut the flap and mess up, they can completely remove the flap and let it "regrow" like in PRK???

I've read that when they cut the flap, they also cut nerves that DONT grow back. Is this true???

Can you check out this site and also my post there:
http://www.lasikflap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=878

They say that cutting the flap is permanent and it NEVER heals back to its original state and when it does heal, it leaves microscopic scar tissue causing a lower quality of vision (what ever that means).



And lastly... since your more exposed than we are...

What have you heard about Dr. Mark E. Whitten? Supposedly the same person who's done lasik on Tiger Woods and a lot of other celebs.

http://www.whittenlasereye.com/Practice/index.htm

If I get it done, he's most likely going to be my surgeon.

Thanks for posting!

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Jgtdragon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
No, I regressed to -1 in each eye after 3 years. But w/e, I can still function w/out contacts unless I REALLY need to see.

How old are you? Your eyes didn't get stable before the surgery?
I'm 28 now (29 in a month), had it done new year's eve of 2002.

 

ShinmenTakezo

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Originally posted by: TygGer

ShinmenTakezo,

No offense, but being that you just registered and posted your first post here in the off topic forum has made me a bit skeptical. I appreciate the info, but it's hard to determine what one's hidden agenda may be, so plz understand.

No problem. I don't really have an agenda, other than I'm interested in maybe becoming an ophthalmologist in the future, and I have some contact with doctors who perform the procedures. I just wanted to shed some more light on the topic for people who are curious. Again, I'm not claiming to be an expert and I may have misinterpreted something I've been told. If you're skeptical about anything I've posted, by all means do your own research and ask your ophthalmologist about the details.

On another note.

So if the they cut the flap and mess up, they can completely remove the flap and let it "regrow" like in PRK???

Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was the flap is just put back into place to heal. It's the same thing that happens at the end of a successful LASIK procedure, except in the case of a bad flap, the laser isn't used.

I've read that when they cut the flap, they also cut nerves that DONT grow back. Is this true???

There is some nerve damage associated with creating the flap. The nerves CAN grow back but probably not to the same level as previous to the surgery. While nerve damage sounds bad, corneal nerves are responsible for tear production; your optic and retinal nerves are the ones involved in vision which are unaffected by the laser. Corneal nerve damage is what causes dry eye syndrome post-op. It improves with time as the nerves regenerate.

Can you check out this site and also my post there:
http://www.lasikflap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=878

They say that cutting the flap is permanent and it NEVER heals back to its original state and when it does heal, it leaves microscopic scar tissue causing a lower quality of vision (what ever that means).

To the best of my knowledge this is not the case. With regards to your post at the other forum, I don't know much about the specific manufacturers of the laser. I wouldn't expect any improvement for one over the other unless one had Wavefront and the other did not. Even then the only difference might be better contrast sensitivity. Correction for visual acuity should be comparable (ie. what line of the eye chart you can see).

And lastly... since your more exposed than we are...

What have you heard about Dr. Mark E. Whitten? Supposedly the same person who's done lasik on Tiger Woods and a lot of other celebs.

http://www.whittenlasereye.com/Practice/index.htm

If I get it done, he's most likely going to be my surgeon.

Thanks for posting!

I don't know anything about Dr. Whitten. I wouldn't just use the fact that he's performed surgery on celebrities be your only guide. Like any other doctor, you should be able to ask him for the number of procedures he has performed, as well as his success rate. Most of the actual procedure is done by the laser. What the doctor does is make the judgment call to proceed or abort the surgery depending on the circumstances, as well as provide pre and post-op care. In my opinion, a doctor's track record and quality of care are more important than his past patients, famous or not. Good luck with your decision.
 

ShinmenTakezo

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Originally posted by: TygGer
Originally posted by: ATLien247
Is it worth the risk for someone with -1.75R/-1.5L?


Good question. Mine is only -1.5 in both eyes. I asked the same question to my eye doc and she said that it was a personal decision. She gave me the standard answer that it was surgery and with surgery, there's always a possibility of complications. I don't know if she get's any referral money, but she didn't say not to do it. I told her I disliked having to wear glasses for distance and she referred me to a TLC center.

You should go to your regular eye doc first and get their opinions. I know some places don't like lasik...

Then let us know what they told you...

For people with lower refractive error, another non-surgical option is orthokeratology. You wear a special type of rigid contact lenses during the night which reshape your cornea to correct your vision. You can remove them when you wake up and the effect lasts throughout the day. The drawbacks are that you need to wear them almost every night or the cornea will revert to its original shape. The fact that the process is reversible might be good for people with reservations about surgery.
 

DainBramaged

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Nobody here really seems to think it's amazing. I'm kinda surprised.

As far as I go, I have naturally aspirated 20/10 vision, so I have no need for anything.
 

TygGer

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Actually, quite a few here have posted feelings along the lines of, "best thing I've ever done." But in general, we here are a little more detailed with our experiences.
 

Jgtdragon

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I checked out the lasikflap.com site. It seem mostly negative with people who had issues with lasik. Is there an unbias site?
 

TygGer

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I agree. That site is completely biased, but there has to a reason for it... enough for me to worry. If you find another site... let us know.
 

ShinmenTakezo

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Originally posted by: TygGer
That's what the people on http://www.lasikflap.com/forum also claim.

ShinmenTakezo, if you know otherwise. Would you please post on that site to correct the misinformed.

Thx

Sorry, I only really answered the tail end of your question. I'll elaborate. Yes, you do get some degree of stromal scarring. However, it's measured on a micrometer scale and you generally need to use scanning or transmission electron microscopy to resolve it. Is this going to affect your vision? You can argue that it will, but probably not. If you examine a patient who has had LASIK with a slit lamp (that machine in the ophthalmologist's office with the straps for your chin and forehead) you can see a very slight scar at the periphery of the iris. This is at the edge of flap made by the microkeratome. It shouldn't affect your vision because during your consult, they dilate your pupil and check the maximum size to ensure that the scar will be beyond the range of your visual field. If someone can see this scar, it's because they made a mistake during pre-op consult, or the doctor operated on someone he/she shouldn't have.

The term you used, quality of vision, is pretty vague and hard to quantify. They've done a lot of studies trying to determine this in LASIK patients measuring things like contrast sensitivity, glare, night driving difficulty, and other parameters. They haven't gotten anything conclusive, other than after LASIK it gets better in some people and worse in some people.

As much as I'd like to post at the other forum, it seems like people there have pretty much had their minds made up and I doubt anything I say will change it. There is nothing inherently wrong with the LASIK procedure itself. People forget that there are 3 stages to the process: pre-op, surgery, and post-op. Mistakes or negligence at any stage can lead to a poor outcome and can be attributed to the doctor, rather than the laser. Pre-op is most important. People who are bad candidates shouldn't be operated on. Certain people are borderline, meaning the results of the surgery could go either way. Good doctors will be conservative and refuse to operate on them, just to be safe. Not so good doctors will perform it anyways. Sometimes it will work out and sometimes it won't. During the actual surgery, if the conditions are bad, a good doctor will abort, to be safe. A not so good doctor will keep going. Sometimes it will work out and sometimes it won't. Post-op, the patient is examined periodically to make sure their eyes are healing properly. If you catch things early enough, you have the potential to fix them. A good doctor will catch them and provide treatment. A not so good doctor will either miss them due to negligence or pretend they're not there to cover up a mistake. Do you see the trend here?

I can understand your apprehension about it. I was somewhat nervous myself. It's an elective surgery though, meaning you'll survive without it. It really just boils down to whether the benefits outweigh the risks, and that varies from person to person. You just have to decide what's right for you.
 

Jgtdragon

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ShinmenTakezo,

I went to four doctors. One of which recommended me for PRK. I called his office asking why they told me its safer. I read online that prk is safer over lasik since no flap is cut but the recovery time is slower. But i relaly like wavefront advantage...is there wavefront prk? I rather suffer a little pain with prk than take risk with lasik.
 

TygGer

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I don't know if I should let the opinions of one community effect my decision, but the more and more they post on lasikflap, the more I am becoming hesitant about going through with the surgery.

Plz anyone... if you truly had a good (or bad) experience with lasik, plz post on lasikflap to share (and maybe convince) the user community that all lasik operations are not bad! They are pretty much telling me that all lasik patients claim that the surgery is good whether or not it really is... cognotive dissonance.

 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: ShinmenTakezo

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Wait until implants are approved here like they are in Europe. They are a much much better option.

What you are referring to are Phakic IOLs (intra ocular implants). IOL procedures have been performed routinely in the US, but they are to replace lenses in cataract patients. Phakic IOLS are slightly different, designed to correct refractive error in a person with a healthy lens. There are currently Phakic IOLs made by 2 companies that are FDA approved. I believe that you can get this procedure done right now, although it is not as widespreak as LASIK. These are a good option for people who are not candidates for laser surgery. They also have the advantage of being removable.

I believe the intra ocular implants as described are what my mom had done last month after removing her cateracts. The artificial lense was set for far-sightedness and inserted to replace her original lens. She still needs to get a new prescription for reading glasses soon.

 
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