Last AGP upgrade for BF2 BF2142 and Company of Heroes any adivce?

[Kenjix]

I currently have a PNY Geforce 6800 APG card which is definately showing it's limits . I just purchased a flat panel with a default resolution of 1280x1024, I really need advice on what video would allow me to play these games with medium - high settings but I really don't want to spend alot on another AGP card. I just want to avoid building a new system with PCI-express just now. Any advice would be appreciated.

I am currently looking at the 7600GS but I'm not sure if that card would give me the performance I need. I appreciate and information I can get, Thanks.

 

[robkas]

well, benches for the PCI-X 7600GS on BF2142 @ 12x10 with 2xAA/8xAF show it getting a min fps of 30 and a max fps of 40 (note this is with a CD2 setup and nvidia settings on high quality also)

i own company of heros (and BF2) and i believe company of heros is even more demanding.

i'm sure most people will tell you to just wait for the G80 to come out then make the move up to PCIX when other nvidia cards drop in price, or to just wait for the x1950pro when that comes out.

either way like you said, i don't think the 7600gs is going to give you the performance you are looking for.

 

[apoppin]

you are already near the top of the AGP food chain . . . unless a new, more powerful version of AGP cards are released you are outta luck.

i am holding off on a monitor upgrade for just that reason - my x850xt is suffficient for 11x8 . . . no more
[and also waiting for the newer displays]

PCIe is the only way to go in your situation . . . or break out your old display until then.

EDIT: i believe i misread your original post, OP . . . you have a 6800Standard?

in THAT case, an x850xt or 7800GS will be ~ twice as fast . . .even a 6800GS would give a increase to 'hold' you

 

[Kenjix]

Thanks for both of your responses. Yeah it's a plain 6800 but from what both of you are saying it would seem that I would have to put alot of money into an agp card to run company of heroes and bf2 and 2142. So the 7600GS won't run company of heroes well but it will run BF2 alright ?

 

[Deanodarlo]

It has to be the recently released AGP 7600GT - kills the 7800GS price/performance. In fact I think it's nearly as fast.

Leadtek's should already out there in the stores, and other manufacturers are following:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1935609

 

[Nightmare225]

Stay with the 6800 and upgrade to an 8800-based system when the time comes, you'll be more happy in the end.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Thanks for both of your responses. Yeah it's a plain 6800 but from what both of you are saying it would seem that I would have to put alot of money into an agp card to run company of heroes and bf2 and 2142. So the 7600GS won't run company of heroes well but it will run BF2 alright ?

how much money are you willing to spend? What is "a lot"?
. . . and i am UNsure about the AGP 7600GT performance but i don't think a 7600GS will 'cut it'.

You DO realize the even more demanding game are 'around the corner'?

. . . Gothic3, Crysis, Unreal3 engine games, etc. . . .

 

[dug777]

7600GS are really pretty dire, that DDR2 mem is dog dirty for overclocking.

I ended up getting a 6800GS (450/1200) stock, puts me pretty close to a 7600GT for significantly less cash, and i have no doubt i've got a whole load of ocing headroom in it for when i need it...

 

[Kenjix]

I'm looking to spend no more than $200 dollars including shipping. This 7600GT looks interesting.

I have a SFF shuttle case that's AGP, and I just bought a 360(not too happy with that) and I plan on getting a PS3, but I'm still a PC gamers and I just purchased Company of Heroes and I plan on picking up BF 2142 but I still plan to play BF2. The new flat panel I purchased puts me in the use the default resolution or don't appreciate the LCD as much. I'm not too concerned about games coming out because I plan on builing a PCIex system but not until later next year. So I would like to ride this AGP system out while I see what the next gen consoles have to offer.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

 

[Kenjix]

Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

 

[RussianSensation]

I am not sure how extensive the use of PS3.0 is (will be) for company of heroes and BF2142 but this might be one of those cases where sacrificing image quality for brute performance could be the solution. I didn't find any 7600GT AGP cards on Newegg, so I am assuming they will arrive in the future? (Sorry, have been out of the forums for 6 months). But something like ATI all-in-wonder x800xt 256mb on amazon can be had for $172 and should be easily faster than 7600gs. It does lack PS3.0 and cannot do HDR. So those are things to keep in mind. However, with its 1000mhz 256-bit memory, 500mhz 16 pipeline gpu core it trounces 7600GS 12 pipeline, lower clocked and dismal 800mhz 128-bit memory specs on paper.

EDIT: just a follow-up. Looking at these benchmarks - Link - 7600GS barely outperforms 6600GT and is itself outperformed by 6800GS 12 pipeline card. This confirms that X800XT should easily be faster than all 3 of the aforementioned cards and is the card to go for from these choices for BF2142 (unless of course there is 7600GT AGP card available in the same price range).

 

[BobDaMenkey]

I really don't think it would be. I'd go for a 7600GT or not at all. I'm kind of in the same boat.

Although with Leadtek not being able to RMA me a working card, and some system instability that's cropping up and looking like it's the motherboard, I might just say screw it and get a PCIe mobo and a newer video card like an X1900XT for $250.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

isn't the 6800GS also around the same price AND faster?

what dug suggested

IT would be a noticeable upgrade from you 6800std

EDIT: FORGET sm3.0 . . . you won't generally even use it with these weak cards . . .

an x800xt /x850xt would also be twice as fast as the 6800.

i'd completely FORGET the 7600GS . . . it is a WASTE of money....and not likely to provide the experience you are looking for nor will it "last" even a year with the new games coming out.
[i hope i made my feeling's clear about it]

if you are THAT budget conscious, get a USED and faster card.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

no.

it has almost half the memory bandwidth of the vanilla 6800.

 

[robkas]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
I'm looking to spend no more than $200 dollars including shipping. This 7600GT looks interesting.

I have a SFF shuttle case that's AGP, and I just bought a 360(not too happy with that) and I plan on getting a PS3, but I'm still a PC gamers and I just purchased Company of Heroes and I plan on picking up BF 2142 but I still plan to play BF2. The new flat panel I purchased puts me in the use the default resolution or don't appreciate the LCD as much. I'm not too concerned about games coming out because I plan on builing a PCIex system but not until later next year. So I would like to ride this AGP system out while I see what the next gen consoles have to offer.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

Didn't you watch X06? I think that conference made everyone glad that they bought an xbox 360

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

isn't the 6800GS also around the same price AND faster?

what dug suggested

IT would be a noticeable upgrade from you 6800std

EDIT: FORGET sm3.0 . . . you won't generally even use it with these weak cards . . .

an x800xt /x850xt would also be twice as fast as the 6800.

i'd completely FORGET the 7600GS . . . it is a WASTE of money....and not likely to provide the experience you are looking for nor will it "last" even a year with the new games coming out.
[i hope i made my feeling's clear about it]

if you are THAT budget conscious, get a USED and faster card.

I would have bought an x800/x850xt, but the new and used prices for them here are just silly for AGP, my 6800GS was an excellent bang for buck deal in comparison, i'm faster than a 6800GT at these stock speeds, and should have comfortable headroom both in the core and the RAM that would put me at least on par with a 6800 Ultra, which iirc runs basically equal with a 7600GT...

 

[Kenjix]

No I'm really not looking forward to the games that are coming out for the 360 at the moment. Gears of war looks good but the more I see it, the gameplay looks repetitive. I just really want to play Company of heroes with my existing system and from what everyone is saying it sounds like I may just have to get the 7800GS.

7800GS is the only card that would probably give me a year on this system. I just wanted to avoid putting so much money into an APG card before going to PCI-ex

 

[robkas]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
No I'm really not looking forward to the games that are coming out for the 360 at the moment. Gears of war looks good but the more I see it, the gameplay looks repetitive. I just really want to play Company of heroes with my existing system and from what everyone is saying it sounds like I may just have to get the 7800GS.

7800GS is the only card that would probably give me a year on this system. I just wanted to avoid putting so much money into an APG card before going to PCI-ex

or you could wait for the x1950 agp card (which i'm assuming will perform better than the 7800gs). i don't know the estimated cost on the card though sorry.

about gears of war....all they have shown are the main gameplay elements and how to use them. it would be like for bf2 saying, alright this is how to go prone, this is how to crouch, this how to reload. to kill an enemy you have to aim. you can say ANY gameplay for ANY game looks repetitive because it never changes throughout the whole game :disgust:

Alot of people forget is what happens when it turns dark outside in Gears of War. If you don't know what i'm talking about, then you don't know too much about Gears of War besides watching 3 DEMONSTRATION videos. Also, don't forget about the multiplayer which is like css meaning once you die, you are dead for the round. That makes it way more tactical and fun IMO.

 

[Kenjix]

I'm not trying to offend any 360 owners I just want to get my PC gaming back on track that's all.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

isn't the 6800GS also around the same price AND faster?

what dug suggested

IT would be a noticeable upgrade from you 6800std

EDIT: FORGET sm3.0 . . . you won't generally even use it with these weak cards . . .

an x800xt /x850xt would also be twice as fast as the 6800.

i'd completely FORGET the 7600GS . . . it is a WASTE of money....and not likely to provide the experience you are looking for nor will it "last" even a year with the new games coming out.
[i hope i made my feeling's clear about it]

if you are THAT budget conscious, get a USED and faster card.

I would have bought an x800/x850xt, but the new and used prices for them here are just silly for AGP, my 6800GS was an excellent bang for buck deal in comparison, i'm faster than a 6800GT at these stock speeds, and should have comfortable headroom both in the core and the RAM that would put me at least on par with a 6800 Ultra, which iirc runs basically equal with a 7600GT...

that's a bit of a stretch . . . i thought the 7600GT ran a bit faster than my x850xt.

but a good choice for an upgrade from either your 6600GT or the OP's 6800std -- if you o/c.
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Originally posted by: Kenjix
No I'm really not looking forward to the games that are coming out for the 360 at the moment. Gears of war looks good but the more I see it, the gameplay looks repetitive. I just really want to play Company of heroes with my existing system and from what everyone is saying it sounds like I may just have to get the 7800GS.

7800GS is the only card that would probably give me a year on this system. I just wanted to avoid putting so much money into an APG card before going to PCI-ex

Now you're talking!
:thumbsup:

or you can go for a used x850xt on FS/T . . . just look for one that was not modded or o/c'd ;P

 

[robkas]

Originally posted by: Kenjix
I'm not trying to offend any 360 owners I just want to get my PC gaming back on track that's all.

I don't even own a 360 lol!

anyways, speaking of company of heroes, the more i play this game online, the more i hate

i can't say anything about the single player part though as i'm waiting to play then when i move in 4 days and won't have internet for a while.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

isn't the 6800GS also around the same price AND faster?

what dug suggested

IT would be a noticeable upgrade from you 6800std

EDIT: FORGET sm3.0 . . . you won't generally even use it with these weak cards . . .

an x800xt /x850xt would also be twice as fast as the 6800.

i'd completely FORGET the 7600GS . . . it is a WASTE of money....and not likely to provide the experience you are looking for nor will it "last" even a year with the new games coming out.
[i hope i made my feeling's clear about it]

if you are THAT budget conscious, get a USED and faster card.

I would have bought an x800/x850xt, but the new and used prices for them here are just silly for AGP, my 6800GS was an excellent bang for buck deal in comparison, i'm faster than a 6800GT at these stock speeds, and should have comfortable headroom both in the core and the RAM that would put me at least on par with a 6800 Ultra, which iirc runs basically equal with a 7600GT...

that's a bit of a stretch . . . i thought the 7600GT ran a bit faster than my x850xt.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=529&model2=565&chart=198

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=529&model2=565&chart=214

You're probably thinking of the 7800GS, the AT review shows that trading blows with a X850XT and the X850XT often winning too

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Kenjix
Would a 7600GS be a noticeable upgrade for me to last 1 year?

isn't the 6800GS also around the same price AND faster?

what dug suggested

IT would be a noticeable upgrade from you 6800std

EDIT: FORGET sm3.0 . . . you won't generally even use it with these weak cards . . .

an x800xt /x850xt would also be twice as fast as the 6800.

i'd completely FORGET the 7600GS . . . it is a WASTE of money....and not likely to provide the experience you are looking for nor will it "last" even a year with the new games coming out.
[i hope i made my feeling's clear about it]

if you are THAT budget conscious, get a USED and faster card.

I would have bought an x800/x850xt, but the new and used prices for them here are just silly for AGP, my 6800GS was an excellent bang for buck deal in comparison, i'm faster than a 6800GT at these stock speeds, and should have comfortable headroom both in the core and the RAM that would put me at least on par with a 6800 Ultra, which iirc runs basically equal with a 7600GT...

that's a bit of a stretch . . . i thought the 7600GT ran a bit faster than my x850xt.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=529&model2=565&chart=198

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics....elx=33&model1=529&model2=565&chart=214

You're probably thinking of the 7800GS, the AT review shows that trading blows with a X850XT and the X850XT often winning too

gs . . . correct


thanks!
:thumbsup:

 

[Craig234]

I have an old Athlon 2200+ system, and blew out the GeForce3 Ti200 (!) when I changed the aperture size in the bios as a game magazine said to for performance - and needed a new card.

Now I'm toying with the idea of a new system - have even bought some parts for it - but had an urgent need for a replacement card for gaming now.

I could have got a cheap moderate upgrade to MB/CPU and graphics card; the hassle factor of swapping all that out comes into play, as well as the value question - a 'hot deal' on a 3400+/MB is $120, but a 4600+/MB is just $240 and an E6600/MB is $350.

So my thinking now was, I found a 7600GS for $105 AMIR, and stuck it in and now play WoW at 1600x1200 just fine. It'll play my other hundreds of games that aren't new fine. There weren't many cheaper options that were good; 6600GT's are not as good a card and still sell for at least that price, $75 cards are not too good.

So why not just spend this $105 and have a system working now for my gaming needs just fine, and slowly keep my eyes open for that second new system - which will go in a different room with the big screen tvs for gaming. I can order a 7900 type card sooner, or wait for DX10, but the 7600GS seems to hit a 'sweet spot' for my situation.

Since this old system is so CPU bound, the performance of the 7600GS isn't a problem.

 

[Kenjix]

Well what's better the 7600GS or the 6800GS

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