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Yuriman

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A Core 2 is useless in 2016. Web browsing is so bloated I wouldn't even bother with an i3. A new i5 with at least of 8GB RAM if not 16GB would be a huge difference along with a way more modern chipset.

My father still uses a ~2ghz Core2 and has no problems with web browsing. I can't tell the difference between my wife's i3 and my i5.
 
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A Core 2 is useless in 2016. Web browsing is so bloated I wouldn't even bother with an i3. A new i5 with at least of 8GB RAM if not 16GB would be a huge difference along with a way more modern chipset.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you certainly don't need an i5 with 8-16GB for web browsing
 

SPBHM

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my E5420 (2.5GHz C2Q) with 3GB on win10 is fine for web browsing,
16GB; wtf? even most games are good with 8GB; I think 4GB of ram is safe for a good experience for basic use/web browsing.
 

Blitzvogel

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Been testing a C2D E4400 2.0 GHz equipped Dell Inspiron 530, paired with a 1 GB GDDR5 Radeon 7750 and 2.5 GB of DDR2 for shits and giggles. It isn't pretty when tested with anything remotely new like Tomb Raider, Metro Last Light or CS:GO. Even at 2.0 GHz, I expected better! Wife's 3.2 GHz Sandy Bridge i3 just walks all over it (which is what the 7750 is normally paired with).
 

SPBHM

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Been testing a C2D E4400 2.0 GHz equipped Dell Inspiron 530, paired with a 1 GB GDDR5 Radeon 7750 and 2.5 GB of DDR2 for shits and giggles. It isn't pretty when tested with anything remotely new like Tomb Raider, Metro Last Light or CS:GO. Even at 2.0 GHz, I expected better! Wife's 3.2 GHz Sandy Bridge i3 just walks all over it (which is what the 7750 is normally paired with).

the fun with e4400 was OC; 3GHz was pretty easy

even on the anandtech review from over 10 years ago they had 4GHz C2Ds


http://www.anandtech.com/show/2045/18

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I was actually still using a dual core lga 775 setup for gaming around 5-6 years ago, with OC to 3.6GHz or so, it was OK on most games.

I would think the e4300 with some OC would be fine with CSGO
 

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Lifer
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my E5420 (2.5GHz C2Q) with 3GB on win10 is fine for web browsing,
16GB; wtf? even most games are good with 8GB; I think 4GB of ram is safe for a good experience for basic use/web browsing.

16 GB is overkill for browsing, but 8 GB can sometimes help over 4 GB, unless you just load up a couple of programs and a few browser tabs at a time. However, the improvement of 8 GB over 4 GB is nowhere near the huge improvement that you get with 4 GB over 2 GB. 3 GB is serviceable, but not ideal. I'd say 2 GB is really annoying, 3 GB is minimum, 4 GB is OK, and 8 GB is better.

And as mentioned Core 2 is perfectly fine for that.

BTW, this was posted from a 2.9 GHz Athlon II X3 435 from 2010. Performance is fine. 8 GB + Samsung 850 EVO SSD installed.

I'd say the biggest bottleneck for browsing here today is the Anandtech webservers. It's been slow for me regardless of the machine I used and regardless of the location (workplace and home).
 
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SparkyJJO

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If I recall, Core 2 Quads worked the same way Pentium Ds did - they're two dies on one package. They're effectively two dual core CPUs taped together. I believe this can theoretically make communication between the CPUs slower.

Yes, same idea. I ran into a few workloads on my Q6600 that would just totally saturate that FSB link and the system would grind to a crawl. I don't recall exactly what it was, but I just walked away for a few minutes while it plugged through it. Was normally pretty quick otherwise.

A Core 2 is useless in 2016. Web browsing is so bloated I wouldn't even bother with an i3. A new i5 with at least of 8GB RAM if not 16GB would be a huge difference along with a way more modern chipset.

WAT
 

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Lifer
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you certainly don't need an i5 with 8-16GB for web browsing

He says that in most every thread discussing an older processor. He has to justify his X99 purchase. I'm not saying that he doesn't use his hexcore on daily encoding and video editing. It's a fine platform. You just don't need it for most uses. Now, please don't look at my sig. I'm the king of overkill. :biggrin:
 

Blitzvogel

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the fun with e4400 was OC; 3GHz was pretty easy

even on the anandtech review from over 10 years ago they had 4GHz C2Ds


http://www.anandtech.com/show/2045/18

:biggrin:


I was actually still using a dual core lga 775 setup for gaming around 5-6 years ago, with OC to 3.6GHz or so, it was OK on most games.

I would think the e4300 with some OC would be fine with CSGO

Well it might've been the relatively slow 2.0 GHz, 2.5 GB of memory, and the slow HDD for games that access it during gameplay. This was using Vista that originally shipped on this machine mind you :whistle: Web browsing was fine for the most part, the Radeon 7750 I threw in it certainly sped up HD video watching performance on Youtube. With WinXP, Win7, 8, or 10, a full suite of memory (4 GB), and an SSD, I bet it would be so much more snappy. It certainly felt better than my wife's old Turion RM-70 2.0 GHz equipped laptop I recently sold.

I had my sort-of fun with the Dell. I bought the thing recently to resell on Ebay so it's not at all a critical piece of equipment for me and of course OC is a no-go in this scenario. Core 2 certainly had it's time, and ironically Core 2 Quads and equivalent AMD quads are still completely useful in a number of recent titles. I was using a Phenom II x4 up until January of 2015.

Green Ham Gaming on Youtube is alot of fun to watch if you're into the idea of using older or so-so hardware to run modern stuff and for shits 'n giggles.
 
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escrow4

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding but you certainly don't need an i5 with 8-16GB for web browsing

You open up a dozen tabs, start a 60p video somewhere, run word and an email client, then I usually have an FTP client open, files are going to different HDDs, might crack an encoder open a Core 2 will just melt. If you just to want to browse Xvideos then sure use a Core 2. If you actually use a PC for work then nope. I've hit 4-5GB base usage on my 16GB 5930K box.

I don't cheap out on desktops. They are the centrepiece I work on. Everything else is tablet or phone. Core 2 is useless for me at least. And if I used a box near every day I wouldn't use an i3 either.
 

VirtualLarry

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And as mentioned Core 2 is perfectly fine for that.

BTW, this was posted from a 2.9 GHz Athlon II X3 435 from 2010. Performance is fine. 8 GB + Samsung 850 EVO SSD installed.

I'd say the biggest bottleneck for browsing here today is the Anandtech webservers. It's been slow for me regardless of the machine I used and regardless of the location (workplace and home).

My friend's Athlon II X4 rig died recently in a thunderstorm. Was debating on whether it was worth it to revive it. Your post makes me think that it is. It has 16GB of DDR2 in it and an SSD for the OS drive.

Problem is, my friend doesn't want to spend anything on parts to fix it.
 

eton975

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You open up a dozen tabs, start a 60p video somewhere, run word and an email client, then I usually have an FTP client open, files are going to different HDDs, might crack an encoder open a Core 2 will just melt. If you just to want to browse Xvideos then sure use a Core 2. If you actually use a PC for work then nope. I've hit 4-5GB base usage on my 16GB 5930K box.

I don't cheap out on desktops. They are the centrepiece I work on. Everything else is tablet or phone. Core 2 is useless for me at least. And if I used a box near every day I wouldn't use an i3 either.
That kind of workload would melt a modern i5 and would make a Sandy i7 struggle. Jeez.
 

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Lifer
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I run two desktops side by side myself in my home office. A Core i7 iMac next to that Athlon II desktop.

My friend's Athlon II X4 rig died recently in a thunderstorm. Was debating on whether it was worth it to revive it. Your post makes me think that it is. It has 16GB of DDR2 in it and an SSD for the OS drive.

Problem is, my friend doesn't want to spend anything on parts to fix it.

Are you sure the drive and memory and power supply and mobo and CPU etc are still good? It might be time to just get a new machine. A Core i5 or something.
 

nerp

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If you look at the OS forum, you'll see how I and other speculated about Microsoft's "Windows Update" problem to suggest they were covertly doing more to encourage migration to Win 10 than simply "advertising." This, of course, is speculation, but you can add to that the possibility that MS might want to encourage folks to unload really "dated" hardware.

Also, merely a suspicion of mine . . . .

It's on the hardware companies to write drivers, not Microsoft. It's normal for hardware companies to abandon support for hardware that isn't even that old.
 

nerp

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You open up a dozen tabs, start a 60p video somewhere, run word and an email client, then I usually have an FTP client open, files are going to different HDDs, might crack an encoder open a Core 2 will just melt. If you just to want to browse Xvideos then sure use a Core 2. If you actually use a PC for work then nope. I've hit 4-5GB base usage on my 16GB 5930K box.

I don't cheap out on desktops. They are the centrepiece I work on. Everything else is tablet or phone. Core 2 is useless for me at least. And if I used a box near every day I wouldn't use an i3 either.

This. People say "it's fine" and i visualize them with one web browser open full screen. Yeah, it's fine for that, but this isn't what we're talking about.
 

Sheep221

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You open up a dozen tabs, start a 60p video somewhere, run word and an email client, then I usually have an FTP client open, files are going to different HDDs, might crack an encoder open a Core 2 will just melt. If you just to want to browse Xvideos then sure use a Core 2. If you actually use a PC for work then nope. I've hit 4-5GB base usage on my 16GB 5930K box.

I don't cheap out on desktops. They are the centrepiece I work on. Everything else is tablet or phone. Core 2 is useless for me at least. And if I used a box near every day I wouldn't use an i3 either.
When your grandmother's yugo die, you won't buy her a ferrari to achieve same kind of transportation. i3 is completely fine for everything including casual content creation, gaming and scientific calculations. I don't know why on this forum is i3 so underrated CPU.
 
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You open up a dozen tabs, start a 60p video somewhere, run word and an email client, then I usually have an FTP client open, files are going to different HDDs, might crack an encoder open a Core 2 will just melt. If you just to want to browse Xvideos then sure use a Core 2. If you actually use a PC for work then nope. I've hit 4-5GB base usage on my 16GB 5930K box.

I don't cheap out on desktops. They are the centrepiece I work on. Everything else is tablet or phone. Core 2 is useless for me at least. And if I used a box near every day I wouldn't use an i3 either.

I get it but besides you how many people in the world do this on a regular basis and how many of them have to do all those things on the same machine at the same time.
 

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Lifer
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I'd be happy with a Core i3 CPU for much of my usage. The problem is a lot of pre-built computers get built with a certain range of parts in mind. While you'll be able to get a top notch i7 computers for example, you generally won't find the same mix of components in an i3. The i3 will often come with a HDD and more limited RAM and maybe a crappier screen, etc. There are exceptions to this rule of course, but in general it holds true.

On the Mac side for example, it's actually impossible to buy an i3 anything, unless you're an edu institutional client.

This. People say "it's fine" and i visualize them with one web browser open full screen. Yeah, it's fine for that, but this isn't what we're talking about.
My fastest computer is 6 years old. I'm not some hardcore gamer, but I'd say I'm a computer enthusiast.

This isn't 1999 anymore when CPUs struggled to do even basic stuff. In 2016, the top end consumer CPUs are far, far, far faster than what 98% of the population needs, so much so that geeks like me that don't game on PCs are fine using 6 year-old computers, as long as they have sufficient RAM and SSDs.

Anyhow, browsing isn't mainly about raw compute speed. Browsing is more about memory. Running half dozen browser tabs with MS Office in the background and with even vlc playing 1080p h.264 in the corner streamed over the network is perfectly fine as long as you have at least 8 GB. In fact, I do this on a 6 year-old Core i7 with 12 GB RAM.

BTW, MS Office in the background takes very little CPU resources, and the same goes for vlc playing 1080p h.264, since the latter is GPU accelerated. So you're mainly just spending that CPU power on those browser tabs, most of which are just idle in the background anyway.
 

SAAA

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This isn't 1999 anymore when CPUs struggled to do even basic stuff. In 2016, the top end consumer CPUs are far, far, far faster than what 98% of the population needs, so much so that geeks like me that don't game on PCs are fine using 6 year-old computers, as long as they have sufficient RAM and SSDs.

Anyhow, browsing isn't mainly about raw compute speed. Browsing is more about memory. Running half dozen browser tabs with MS Office in the background and with even vlc playing 1080p h.264 in the corner streamed over the network is perfectly fine as long as you have at least 8 GB. In fact, I do this on a 6 year-old Core i7 with 12 GB RAM.

BTW, MS Office in the background takes very little CPU resources, and the same goes for vlc playing 1080p h.264, since the latter is GPU accelerated. So you're mainly just spending that CPU power on those browser tabs, most of which are just idle in the background anyway.

Well said here. I upgraded from my last build because it couldn't even install newer web browsers and games needed 30+% of the HD space, let alone run at all.
Core era ended this for good; quad cores, 64 bit OS/software compatibility and SSDs help a lot too.
Web browsing today struggles only without plugins that stop stupid ad videos and scripts to take too much resources, video acceleration is supported left and right anyway so even old pcs with newer GPUs can still benefit from having hardware decoders.
I'd start to avoid only dual cores/threaded cpus right now, unless they have Skylake IPC maybe, because they will get only less love from programmers going on.
Btw i3s are still enough for most people, just look at what most of the mobile pc world got: lower clocked dual core/quad threaded cpus...
 

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Lifer
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Some of my machines:

Workplace desktop: Dual-core Pentium G840 2.8 GHz (PassMark 2586), 4 GB RAM, HDD, Win 7. Surfing on it is mediocre. Too much disk thrashing.
Home desktop: Triple-core Athlon II X3 435 2.9 GHz (PassMark 2485), 8 GB RAM, SSD, Win 10. Surfing on it is very good.
Home desktop: Quad-core Core i7 870 2.93 GHz (PassMark 5459), 12 GB RAM, Firewire 800 SSD, Mac OS X 10.11. Surfing on it is very good.
Home desktop: Dual-core Core Duo 2.0 GHz T2500 (PassMark 876), 2 GB RAM, HDD, Mac OS X 10.6. Surfing on it is poor, for multiple reasons.
Home nettop: Dual-core Atom 330 1.6 GHz (PassMark 596), 3.12 GB RAM, SSD, Win 10: Surfing on it is absolutely horrible.
Home laptop: Dual-core Pentium SU4100 1.3 GHz (PassMark 873), 4 GB RAM, SSD, Win 10. Surfing on it sucks.
Home laptop: Dual-core Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHz P8400 (PassMark 1471), 4 GB RAM, SSD, Mac OS X 10.11. Surfing on it is OK.
Home laptop: Dual-core Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz T8300 (PassMark 1493), 4 GB RAM, SSD, Mac OS X 10.7. Surfing on it is OK but is limited by lack of hardware GPU h.264 decode and limited browser support.

What does this tell me for web browsing?
1. Slow CPUs are bad, but higher clocked CPUs even from 5 years ago are fine.
2. HDD bad, SSD good.
3. 4 GB not quite enough. 8+ GB needed.
4. On a Mac, you need one of the latest iterations of OS X for proper browser support.
5. You need hardware h.264 decode support.

Given these results, I'd say any current desktop Core i3 would be fine for surfing, and as long as you have a modern OS, 8+ GB RAM, and SSD.
 
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