Last of the Canon Printers that take generic carts

[Gast]

I'm not quite sure what this hype is about generic inks, but from the research done at Consumer Reports, the cheaper, thiner ink actually takes more ink to print the same page. So while your ink is cheaper, you have to buy it more often. CR findings support that buying name brand ink is not only going to make your prints better, but in most cases will cost you almost the same thing and in some cases save you $.

It in the September '05 issue. Here's their "CR Quick Take" (I'd provide a link but it's in the members section. I have the mag and I don't think there's an issue taking this snippit as it's not the whole article.)

CR Quick Take

Off-brand cartridges often cost much less than brand-name cartridges. Based on our tests, you'll probably find they're saving you little or no money when you calculate per-photo costs. And most off-brand cartridges haven't matched the excellent quality and fade resistance we've gotten using brand-name ink. But some off-brands are worth considering when very good photo quality is good enough and economy is your top priority.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: Gast
I'm not quite sure what this hype is about generic inks, but from the research done at Consumer Reports, the cheaper, thiner ink actually takes more ink to print the same page. So while your ink is cheaper, you have to buy it more often. CR findings support that buying name brand ink is not only going to make your prints better, but in most cases will cost you almost the same thing and in some cases save you $.

It in the September '05 issue. Here's their "CR Quick Take" (I'd provide a link but it's in the members section. I have the mag and I don't think there's an issue taking this snippit as it's not the whole article.)

CR Quick Take

Off-brand cartridges often cost much less than brand-name cartridges. Based on our tests, you'll probably find they're saving you little or no money when you calculate per-photo costs. And most off-brand cartridges haven't matched the excellent quality and fade resistance we've gotten using brand-name ink. But some off-brands are worth considering when very good photo quality is good enough and economy is your top priority.

They are 100% wrong.

Consumer reports probably used some lame ass chinese universal stuff that nobody should ever use.

Using actual GOOD ink like Formulabs, Hobbicolors or Image Specialist, the quality and usage is exactly the same as Canon OEM.

Do a comparison of Chromalife100 to Formulabs and you will be hard pressed to see the difference. The wild claims of fading colors are also FUD. Keep in mind that Dye ink cost $4 per liter to produce and they sell it for $1000 per liter. It's how they make their money.


Canon carts for a IP4000 cost $12 x 5 = $60 x 10 refills over say a year equals $600.

That same ink can be bought at http://alotofthings.com for $34.60, that is a huge savings.

All of the bulk inks and refill kits we carry contain ink manufactured by Sensient Imaging Technologies, Formulabs Division - also known as Formulabs for short.

If your looking for a better resource for printers and the ink they use I would recommend this site: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/index.php

 

[Technogeek]

Originally posted by: walkure
Does the Canon ip6000D also use the generic inks (sold by Swiftink, etc.)??? It is currently $109.99 (free ship) at Amazon:

But is the ip6000D inferior?

Walkure, I had just purchased the ip6000D also but have not had the time to set it up yet.
But I do know that it takes the older unchipped and cheaper carts, (BCI-6) and swiftink does have them for $4.00 each before coupon, Yet I have not tried them yet.

I did see that review on cnet.com about the older technologies, and understood it as mostly meaning the unchipped carts . As with anything new replaces the older technologies.

 

[OzzieGT]

I thought generics were really bad for printing photos? i.e. they fade much quicker and aren't as rich.

Some sites that prove otherwise would be useful.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: vtohthree

Originally posted by: Kwad Guy

Originally posted by: Basilisk
E-mail Canon and let them know your opinion of these new designs. And email them again each time you buy a different manufacturer's printer.

Yeah, that'll make them quiver in their boots. Warn them that you're gonna go buy an HP. Er, scratch that HP is chipped. Tell them you're gonna go get a lexmark. Uh, no, Lexmark has the print heads in the carts and cheap replacements are non-existant. Tell them you're gonna get an Epson. Uh-oh, chipped again.

Tell them you're gonna start to make your copies freehand. That'll scare them.

Kwad

tell 'em you'll buy samsung laser printers that use toner in which you can get generic refills for.

A laser is always cheaper on supplies for printing text. For 4x6 prints, a photo lab or an online service is cheaper than inkjet prints, and it's more durable because it uses the same process as 35mm prints. I have a Canon i960. It's a great little printer. Generic ink is dirt cheap, but the prints I get from them I treat as disposable.

 

[OzzieGT]

Originally posted by: dwcal
A laser is always cheaper on supplies for printing text. For 4x6 prints, a photo lab or an online service is cheaper than inkjet prints, and it's more durable because it uses the same process as 35mm prints. I have a Canon i960. It's a great little printer. Generic ink is dirt cheap, but the prints I get from them I treat as disposable.

Yeah mail in printing is getting cheaper and cheaper, and I am honestly not confident in how good the prints from my i560 are going to look 20 years from now. We only use it for "non-important" pictures. I guess for those kinds of uses 3rd party vs. OEM doesn't matter as much.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: OzzieGT
I thought generics were really bad for printing photos? i.e. they fade much quicker and aren't as rich.

Some sites that prove otherwise would be useful.

If you want to know about color fading with all inks and paper then you should follow this thread: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=634

I find it interesting that the HP ink and paper that Wilhelm rates as 60 year fades pretty damn quick when exposed to UV.

 

[Don66]

I have had an IP6000D for several months now.
I buy my cheap generic ink from Ebay and have had excellent results.
Photos look good.

 

[Vivi]

what is the main difference between the ip3000, 4000, 5000, & 6000 model?

 

[walkure]

Originally posted by: Vivi
what is the main difference between the ip3000, 4000, 5000, & 6000 model?

Vivi, start by reading the review (which includes the 4000 and 5000) at Tom's:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/10/25/in_living_color/index.html

You can also look up all those printers on CNET.com .

The 6000 has a slot for a memory card; none of the other 3 do.

A lot of people seem to like the 4000 a lot for its combination of performance and price; that's what I'm leaning towards buying. However it is Canon's older model (replaced by the current 4200, 5200, etc.), so it is hard to find. Check local Staples, Fry's, etc. It was going for $99.99 - $30 rebate at Staples; not sure if that's still on.

 

[13Gigatons]

Originally posted by: Vivi
what is the main difference between the ip3000, 4000, 5000, & 6000 model?

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/contro...act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=103


Cliffnotes:

IP3000 is a 4 ink system with 2 picoliters droplets and 1600 nozzles

IP4000 is a 5 ink system with 2 picoliter droplet and 1856 nozzles

IP5000 is a 5 ink system with 1 picoliter droplet and 1856 nozzles

IP5200 is a 5 ink system with 1 picoliter droplet and 3,584 nozzles





IP6000 is a 6 ink system with 2 picoliter droplet and 1,536 nozzles

it also adds a LCD screen and some card readers, I don't recommend this model though.

 

[Vivi]

ahh okie thanks for the clarification. As soon as the 'bootleg' carts come out for ip5200, tink I'll get that one.

 

[SpanishFry]

Any suggestions on where to get an IP4000? Staples doesn't seem to have anymore.

 

[samsl]

Originally posted by: Gast
I'm not quite sure what this hype is about generic inks, but from the research done at Consumer Reports, the cheaper, thiner ink actually takes more ink to print the same page. So while your ink is cheaper, you have to buy it more often. CR findings support that buying name brand ink is not only going to make your prints better, but in most cases will cost you almost the same thing and in some cases save you $.

It in the September '05 issue. Here's their "CR Quick Take" (I'd provide a link but it's in the members section. I have the mag and I don't think there's an issue taking this snippit as it's not the whole article.)

CR Quick Take

Off-brand cartridges often cost much less than brand-name cartridges. Based on our tests, you'll probably find they're saving you little or no money when you calculate per-photo costs. And most off-brand cartridges haven't matched the excellent quality and fade resistance we've gotten using brand-name ink. But some off-brands are worth considering when very good photo quality is good enough and economy is your top priority.

One thing on that note. Generic competition was probably keeping the prices on manufacturer brand ink carts almost reasonable. With a complete monopoly, the manuf can now charge whatever they want.

 

[Macgyversite]

IP4200 at the Egg

 

[Technogeek]

The IP4200 has chipped tanks.

 

[Devistater]

OP: You may want to update your post with this, it makes it even hotter. Someone sent me the link just yesterday heh.

http://pixma.webpal.info/Pixma345/345.html
Basically you can easily mod the iP3000, iP4000, iP5000, iP6000D and iP8500 printers to print on CDr/DVDr. It even includes a template to make your own tray out of cardboard or whatever (or you can buy the trays on ebay). Basically you just enable the feature by hitting a specific key combination on the printer.

Originally posted by: Vivi
ahh okie thanks for the clarification. As soon as the 'bootleg' carts come out for ip5200, tink I'll get that one.

It may or may not happen. Lexmark tried suing under the DMCA to stop selling of refill carts that fooled chip sensors. They didn't make it, but another printer maker could try same thing and make it. If you ask me, under the retarded DMCA, that kinda case has a good chance succeeding.

 

[walkure]

Well, I have called all local Staples, Fry's, Micro Center, etc., and no luck finding a Canon ip4000 or ip5000.

So I am resorting to Ebay! I actually haven't used Ebay nor Paypal since 2002, so I just spent some time updating account, etc. I'm quite the Ebay noob!! (a bit nervous, but I know it'll be OK...)

So I've seen some ip4000's go for $100+ in the last couple days, and 1 or 2 for a little less. I'd like to pay no more than $100.

Any tips are appreciated. I am aware of the Paypal coupons -- 10% off one item / $5 off $50 purchase / $15 off $100 purchase, so thanks in advance

 

[SKORPI0]

Those who are doing the mods to print CD/DVD, you can order the CDR Tray base unit (QM2-1239-000), roller assembly.

Call 732-521-7230 (Canon Parts) then press 1. Part is $2.44 each + $6.00 shipping, then 6.25% tax. Ordered 2 sets for my iP5000s, total $ 11.56.

Part# QL2-0605-000 - CDR tray assembly not available for sale in the US. :frown:

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: SKORPI0
Those who are doing the mods to print CD/DVD, you can order the CDR Tray base unit (QM2-1239-000), roller assembly.

Call 732-521-7230 (Canon Parts) then press 1. Part is $2.44 each + $6.00 shipping, then 6.25% tax. Ordered 2 sets for my iP5000s, total $ 11.56.

Part# QL2-0605-000 - CDR tray assembly not available for sale in the US. :frown:

So you can buy the roller part but not the actual tray if you're in the US ?

 

[Venomous]

You dont need the roller assembly.. Its a waste of money. Just get the tray and youre all set.

i got 2 IP5000s moded for CD/DVD. One with rollers and one without.

 

[SKORPI0]

Originally posted by: Venomous
You dont need the roller assembly.. Its a waste of money. Just get the tray and youre all set.

i got 2 IP5000s moded for CD/DVD. One with rollers and one without.

I'm just saying that it cheaper to buy from Canon compared to eBay (>$20 + shipping). It's for those you want the roller assembly. Yes, it's available for purchase in the US.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: SKORPI0

Originally posted by: Venomous
You dont need the roller assembly.. Its a waste of money. Just get the tray and youre all set.

i got 2 IP5000s moded for CD/DVD. One with rollers and one without.

I'm just saying that it cheaper to buy from Canon compared to eBay (>$20 + shipping). It's for those you want the roller assembly. Yes, it's available for purchase in the US.

can you purchase the cd tray if you live in the US ?

 

[SKORPI0]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: SKORPI0

Originally posted by: Venomous
You dont need the roller assembly.. Its a waste of money. Just get the tray and youre all set.

i got 2 IP5000s moded for CD/DVD. One with rollers and one without.

I'm just saying that it cheaper to buy from Canon compared to eBay (>$20 + shipping). It's for those you want the roller assembly. Yes, it's available for purchase in the US.

can you purchase the cd tray if you live in the US ?

No, CSR suggested that I look for the tray at eBay.

 

[russw]

What model Canon's can be modded for printing CD's? Is it only the IP line? I've got an i560 which I bought because it printed both txt and pics so well, but it'd nice to add this "feature" if possible.
...russ