Not counting justifiable or defensive use homicides. Quite frankly when a good guy shoots and kills a bad guy i consider it a win.
Not counting justifiable or defensive use homicides. Quite frankly when a good guy shoots and kills a bad guy i consider it a win.Just do the math. Of 33K gun deaths in this country every year ~2/3 are suicide & we won't count them. The other 11K works out to 30 per day. 9 days means ~270 people.
Unknowable. What is knowable is that Guns are far more effective, efficient, and convenient for the purpose of Killing.
Not counting justifiable or defensive use homicides. Quite frankly when a good guy shoots and kills a bad guy i consider it a win.
That’s not even a coherent thought, more effective, efficient, and convenient for killing than what?
There are quite a few countries that have high gun ownership without the rate of murder of the USA. Saying that guns cause murder is just as derpy as arguing that every murder would occur anyways without them. Guns are a contributing factor, especially in spontaneous murders. They don’t cause them.
Would you agree that guns allow people to be more successful at killing people?
That’s not even a coherent thought, more effective, efficient, and convenient for killing than what?
There are quite a few countries that have high gun ownership without the rate of murder of the USA. Saying that guns cause murder is just as derpy as arguing that every murder would occur anyways without them. Guns are a contributing factor, especially in spontaneous murders. They don’t cause them.
The lack of coherence and derp lies on the side of the argument that continues to see the success of strict Gun Control in other Nations that are the Economic peers of the US. Remove Guns and Deaths from Criminal acts drops significantly.
Hmm, like Canada? Or Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Norway, France? Aside from France it’s not overly burdensome to own magazine fed semi automatic rifles in these countries.
Then implement Canadian or those other nations controls.
Most of them are unconstitutional.
Legally selling cancer causing products that people willfully use on themselves doesn't meet that rubric?Moot. Come back when People use Cancer to kill others.
If they really cared like that we'd all be drinking water from dispensers like those in a gerbil cage.https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
- Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
Look at that. Second hand smoke kills nearly 4x as many as gun murders. Yet nothing on AT P&N about this killer of innocents.
But I know, I know, you guys are all about saving lives, that the primary goal of the anti-2A'ers. Yet nothing on AT P&N related to it. But some sicko uses a bump stock to kill people, thread after thread about guns. The attack on the 2A is very thinly veiled as about saving lives, but the reality is that is indeed nothing more than an attack on the 2A, a right some people don't like so they want to take it from all of us. The left is off its rocker lately, no wonder they were so out of touch that Trump won.
If they really cared like that we'd all be drinking water from dispensers like those in a gerbil cage.
I'm waiting for mandatory body mounted air bags to protect us when we trip and fall.Hey, if the government takes away all right and everything that can hurt us, we'll all live forever!
So STFU, make a new thread, and start a discussion about it.https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
- Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
Look at that. Second hand smoke kills nearly 4x as many as gun murders. Yet nothing on AT P&N about this killer of innocents.
You are mistaken, the amendment was created to keep a standing militia.
Today's interpretation has nothing what so ever to do with the second amendment at all.
But I suppose the lost support by the French who won the war of independence for you and gave you a statue that you think is not all that good because you hate immigrants more than you fucking hate the people in your own community that ARE the problem.
A nation of retarded people deserves having Trump, the retarded Alzheimer patient, as their representative I suppose.
So STFU, make a new thread, and start a discussion about it.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
- Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
Look at that. Second hand smoke kills nearly 4x as many as gun murders. Yet nothing on AT P&N about this killer of innocents.
Actually, there are 14 different threads on Tobacco in P&N, and that is just from a quick search from the work tobacco in the title. Want to try a fun experiment, start a topic asking about what brand of tobacco is your favorite and see how much hate you get. Or read those threads, and the 15 pages of similar ones in Off Topic, to see what hate is heaped on smokers and anyone supporting peoples rights to smoke. Your harping on this subject is completely disingenuous.
Nationally we have worked against tobacco and tobacco products relentlessly for decades now. People are definitely concerned with the toll tobacco costs on our nation and we have been doing something about it. Just this July the FDA announced new a new plan to combat tobacco usage including:
We also spend half a billion a year on tobacco regulation and prevention advertising.
- regulating allowed nicotine levels in cigarettes to 'non-addictive levels',
- regulating liquid nicotine (vape liquids)
- regulating the use of flavored tobacco (including menthol)
This all came about because Obama signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act which gave the FDA the ability to regulate tobacco products, something that Bush had threatened to veto. So, we can see who it is trying to stop the deaths from tobacco and who is trying to keep it, it seems to be the same people trying to keep guns killing people as well.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
- Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.1
Look at that. Second hand smoke kills nearly 4x as many as gun murders. Yet nothing on AT P&N about this killer of innocents.
But I know, I know, you guys are all about saving lives, that the primary goal of the anti-2A'ers. Yet nothing on AT P&N related to it. But some sicko uses a bump stock to kill people, thread after thread about guns. The attack on the 2A is very thinly veiled as about saving lives, but the reality is that is indeed nothing more than an attack on the 2A, a right some people don't like so they want to take it from all of us. The left is off its rocker lately, no wonder they were so out of touch that Trump won.
Yup, there have been steps taken. I can post the many firearms acts that have added restriction over the years too. And yet, when looking at the restrictions, tobacco kills 4x more innocents and well over a magnitude more in absolute numbers. And we accept that. Given how many tobacco kills and no one here is arguing for more restriction, to save lives, it is hard to argue even more restriction on guns. And wow, 14 threads in all of P&N on the much bigger killer than guns? I search the word "gun" only in titles in P&N and the list is six pages long... yea, you guys are all about saving lives, not just on some kind of anti-2A quest.
*Edit - "NRA" is another three pages. But hey, 14 posts on tobacco... because AT P&N just wants to save lives! So noble!
Will you please stop with your attempts at distractions?
We've explained to you why smoking isn't getting thread after thread. In short: it's an issue that's on the decline thanks to (gasp) tougher regulations and changes in cultural attitudes. Besides, we all know the ultimate solution would be to ban all tobacco. There's not much pushback on that.
And as Smogzinn just pointed out, you're being disingenous. You know damn well we care about saving lives; what you're really trying to do is obfuscate things so that you don't have to consider the possibility of tougher gun legislation. Your worldview revolves so closely around a straw man interpretation of gun rights (any further gun legislation = absolute ban on guns) that you need to avoid discussing the issue lest you have to accept a more complex notion of how things work.