Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

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Yeah, I saw that. IMO, it’s BS. Voted on by a panel?

Friend of mine is dual but currently living in the USA. Couldn’t afford his Obamacare premiums so went without insurance. He just got out of the hospital after falling into a coma for a few months and has a 7 figure bill. Ask him where he’d rather of been? Canada’s system is pretty bad in terms of timelyness but if you’re seriously ill you’ll get fixed.

And that is really quite dependent on where you live. Personally, never been inconvenienced in that manner but I've always lived in a major city.
 

Denly

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Misinformed or deliberately misrepresenting how things are?

Plenty of gun clubs are under $150, and you can get membership to one for as little as $25 for legal purposes. There are lots of ranges, aside from the Toronto area. And guns are not nearly that expensive, just saw a decent S&W AR15 for under $700 CAD.

Canada has lots of guns, it’s really easy to own a semi auto mag fed rifle as most aren’t registered, yet we don’t have nearly the same rate of mass shooting. I maintain it’s more of a cultural problem than guns causing murder as someone suggested.
The last time I looked at it was 10-15yrs ago, things change I guess. But we both misrepresenting things. There aren't "lots of" gun ranges in GTA, Aurora charge $150 + $200 per yr.

One thing didn't change, most Canadian don't care about guns. According to CBC there are 2.07m Canadians have lic. that is like 5%?
 

SMOGZINN

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I'm not convinced that's what it is supposed to mean.

I was thinking more...

Because a well regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State, and because you need an armed populace familar with arms in order to be able to form a militia, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

But really I think the writers of the Constitution should have been way more careful with their prose style, considering the importance of the document they were writing. The second amendment seems to have too many commas and a missing implied explantory clause.

I will agree that whatever their intention it is no longer very clear. I'll even say that your interpretation is plausible, and maybe even probable. Either way, I think we can agree that it is no longer true. A civilian militia is not only unnecessary, but laughably incompetent at securing a state. If the premise is no longer true then the conclusion no longer follows.


Cowards. Las Vegas PD are cowards, who let hundreds die so they might save themselves.


I think this whole shooting is actually a great argument for 2A because are you really going to rely on idiots that work in your local police force to have the only access to these military weapons and to rely on them to save you from criminals or terrorists? They will leave you to die and use the guns you can no longer buy to shoot black people.

Swear to god I was not 2A before this shooting but with the incompetence on display by US law enforcement I am getting more pro gun by the minute. I need an AR-15 to defend me from sheriff billy-bob and his pew-happy posse.

So your solution to incompetent police is to give more incompetent people guns in the hope that a few of those people will be competent and not overwhelmed by the incompetent and malicious ones? I think a better solution would be to improve our police force. Better training, more oversight, more personal consequences for failure.
 

SlowSpyder

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Hmm... Maybe gun nutters should start pushing hard for universal, single payer health care so things like mental health are covered. Sounds like a win win to me.


Wish our government could work out that compromise here.
this isn't perspective. I'm not sure if you ever got through high school, but your education failed you if you did. You are woefully unprepared for having a logical, adult discussion.

Since the shooting more than 14000 have died from tobacco in this country, over 1200 of those deaths were 100% innocent victims of second hand smoke. But if an evil man uses a bump stock and guns to kill people, you guys can't get a thread going fast enough about limiting the 2A. Anti 2A'ers don't care about saving lives, they just care about limiting the 2A.
 

Younigue

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Gosh, you're just a big meanie.
As are you.

Are either of us supposed to be particularly sensitive to that? I have become convinced you like it or else you wouldn't come here for the specific purpose of inciting and igniting with your asinine views. Correct?
 
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As are you.

Are either of us supposed to be particular sensitive to that? I have become convinced you like it or else you wouldn't come here for the specific purpose of inciting and igniting with your asinine views. Correct?
Nope, in my small way i'm hoping and dreaming that I can help inform this forum and through them help and inform the nation.
I'm not from the government and i'm here to help.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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Nope, in my small way i'm hoping and dreaming that I can help inform this forum and through them help and inform the nation.
I'm not from the government and i'm here to help.
You have very little chance of accomplishing any part of that goal because you are not engaging in debate. You too quickly devolve into emotional rhetoric and ad hominem attacks. If you want to have any chance at changing peoples minds you need to listen to their point of view and challenge it based on their concerns, not your ideology.
 

zinfamous

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Wish our government could work out that compromise here.


Since the shooting more than 14000 have died from tobacco in this country, over 1200 of those deaths were 100% innocent victims of second hand smoke. But if an evil man uses a bump stock and guns to kill people, you guys can't get a thread going fast enough about limiting the 2A. Anti 2A'ers don't care about saving lives, they just care about limiting the 2A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory

let's make a running checklist of the grievous fallacies that you keep trotting out.
 

Younigue

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Nope, in my small way i'm hoping and dreaming that I can help inform this forum and through them help and inform the nation.
I'm not from the government and i'm here to help.
You mean spread your disease? Keep your ugliness to yourself. Your way of thinking is a plague. Your wish is to inform the best way to hate? Divide? Live in fear? Mistreat your fellow humans? I'm certain I've told you before but it could have been any one of you hate filled pus sacs. You have nothing of value to teach a soul. That you put value in the pestilence that resides within you does not make it good or worthy. It makes you a part of the sickness that is hurting humanity. Only a poor human believes making America sicker will make them safer. The majority of anything I have seen you say has been bile. You need you a vomit bag, not the ears of good people. You should be very clear on this, any one who puts value in your vitriol? They are just as deplorable as you. It's not sad, it's pathetic that you believe what qualifies as valid thought rattling around in your brain as worthy of informing any one of. Pathetic that you don't see your ugliness for what it is.
 
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brycejones

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Wish our government could work out that compromise here.


Since the shooting more than 14000 have died from tobacco in this country, over 1200 of those deaths were 100% innocent victims of second hand smoke. But if an evil man uses a bump stock and guns to kill people, you guys can't get a thread going fast enough about limiting the 2A. Anti 2A'ers don't care about saving lives, they just care about limiting the 2A.

It's just impossible to have a meaningful debate about guns when some f*cker keeps trying to rant about smoking.
 
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J.Wilkins

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You mean spread your disease? Keep your ugliness to yourself. Your way of thinking is a plague. Your wish is to inform the best way to hate? Divide? Live in fear? Mistreat your fellow humans? I'm certain I've told you before but it could have been any one of you hate filled pus sacs. You have nothing of value to teach a soul. That you put value in the pestilence that resides within you does not make it good or worthy. It makes you a part of the sickness that is hurting humanity. Only a poor human believes making America sicker will make them safer. The majority of anything I have seen you say has been bile. You need you a vomit bag, not the ears of good people. You should be very clear on this, any one who puts value in your vitriol? They are just as deplorable as you. It's not sad, it's pathetic that you believe what qualifies as valid thought rattling around in your brain as worthy of informing any one of. Pathetic that you don't see your ugliness for what it is.

When you are done playing pretend to be a nation with rights and freedoms... Give us a call.
 
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You mean spread your disease? Keep your ugliness to yourself. Your way of thinking is a plague. Your wish is to inform the best way to hate? Divide? Live in fear? Mistreat your fellow humans? I'm certain I've told you before but it could have been any one of you hate filled pus sacs. You have nothing of value to teach a soul. That you put value in the pestilence that resides within you does not make it good or worthy. It makes you a part of the sickness that is hurting humanity. Only a poor human believes making America sicker will make them safer. The majority of anything I have seen you say has been bile. You need you a vomit bag, not the ears of good people. You should be very clear on this, any one who puts value in your vitriol? They are just as deplorable as you. It's not sad, it's pathetic that you believe what qualifies as valid thought rattling around in your brain as worthy of informing any one of. Pathetic that you don't see your ugliness for what it is.
I think you have issues. You need to talk to my friend Moonbeam.
 

Jhhnn

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You mean spread your disease? Keep your ugliness to yourself. Your way of thinking is a plague. Your wish is to inform the best way to hate? Divide? Live in fear? Mistreat your fellow humans? I'm certain I've told you before but it could have been any one of you hate filled pus sacs. You have nothing of value to teach a soul. That you put value in the pestilence that resides within you does not make it good or worthy. It makes you a part of the sickness that is hurting humanity. Only a poor human believes making America sicker will make them safer. The majority of anything I have seen you say has been bile. You need you a vomit bag, not the ears of good people. You should be very clear on this, any one who puts value in your vitriol? They are just as deplorable as you. It's not sad, it's pathetic that you believe what qualifies as valid thought rattling around in your brain as worthy of informing any one of. Pathetic that you don't see your ugliness for what it is.

He's just an alt-right troll.
 
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J.Wilkins

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I think you have issues. You need to talk to my friend Moonbeam.

No, she's right, you are not a worthwhile human being. You are a shill for Dear Leader and you don't give a fuck about anyone but him, not even your own family.

You are entirely worthless, if you died tomorrow, no one would notice except for the people relieved that they didn't have to deal with such a disgusting piece of shit again.

Younique is right, you are not fit to be considered an actual human being.
 
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umbrella39

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Nope, in my small way i'm hoping and dreaming that I can help inform this forum and through them help and inform the nation.
I'm not from the government and i'm here to help.

Funny. I don't remember a call out to your parents to bring you to our country, drop you off in NJ, and "help". How many years of banned accounts and new sock puppets before you get the hint. You are not wanted here or anywhere. You can go back to where you came from. Just taking a page from your playbook...
 

J.Wilkins

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Funny. I don't remember a call out to your parents to bring you to our country, drop you off in NJ, and "help". How many years of banned accounts and new sock puppets before you get the hint. You are not wanted here or anywhere. You can go back to where you came from. Just taking a page from your playbook...

He kinda reminds me of another poster on another forum that called himself VladimirP.

The bad punctuation and the mix of English and American spelling is kinda rare.
 

Younigue

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I think you have issues. You need to talk to my friend Moonbeam.
Happily, Moonbeam and I had a parting of the ways. However, he said many nice things about me back in the day [a few months ago]. I have nothing particularly good to say about him however. You two do make a [toxic] couple... of idiots though don'tcha? Have you met each other's parents yet?

My "issue" is with people like you making America a disgrace. Filling it full of hate and a feeling of the rightness of that hate. Is that the issue you're referring to? Yeah, I would very much like for you to fix it won'tchu? Let you becoming a better person be a personal win for me. How's about it? You don't owe me a solid but do me this solid. I'll tell everyone I can if you give me this win.
 
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Happily, Moonbeam and I had a parting of the ways. However, he said many nice things about me back in the day [a few months ago]. I have nothing particularly good to say about him however. You two do make a [toxic] couple... of idiots though don'tcha? Have you met each other's parents yet?

My "issue" is with people like you making America a disgrace. Filling it full of hate and a feeling of the rightness of that hate. Is that the issue you're referring to? Yeah, I would very much like for you to fix it won'tchu? Let you becoming a better person be a personal win for me. How's about it? You don't owe me a solid but do me this solid. I'll tell everyone I can if you give me this win.
"won'tchu" ? "solid"? "don'tcha'' OK, good God, you win. You win. YOU WIN.
 

SlowSpyder

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Violent crime rate


Murder rate:


The assault weapons ban ended in 2004. Why didn't murder rates climb and climb?
 

FIVR

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So your solution to incompetent police is to give more incompetent people guns in the hope that a few of those people will be competent and not overwhelmed by the incompetent and malicious ones? I think a better solution would be to improve our police force. Better training, more oversight, more personal consequences for failure.

How about better training and less guns?


Police are just normal jerk off civilians who have been certified through testing to follow orders and be under a certain level of intelligence (the two go hand-in-hand). I suppose that they are less capable than somebody intelligent like Paddock of killing mass numbers of people because they are dumber, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to have military weapons. Right now US police are armed better than most middle eastern armies.


Until we can reign in military weapons amongst our lowest qualified civil servants I see zero reason why average americans shouldn't also be allowed to have them.
 

Jhhnn

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How about better training and less guns?


Police are just normal jerk off civilians who have been certified through testing to follow orders and be under a certain level of intelligence (the two go hand-in-hand). I suppose that they are less capable than somebody intelligent like Paddock of killing mass numbers of people because they are dumber, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to have military weapons. Right now US police are armed better than most middle eastern armies.


Until we can reign in military weapons amongst our lowest qualified civil servants I see zero reason why average americans shouldn't also be allowed to have them.

So what we need is less guns for the police and more guns for civilians?

Kee-rist. The cops are just trying not to be out-gunned by the criminals & nutbars.
 

FIVR

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So what we need is less guns for the police and more guns for civilians?

Kee-rist. The cops are just trying not to be out-gunned by the criminals & nutbars.


How often do those special military guns make a big difference in anything except the number of unarmed civilians they kill? I recall a recent case where the cop had "You're fucked!" etched into the barrel of his military M4 carbine. Did he need to use that to shoot that unarmed black man driving away from him?

Would the black man still be alive if he only had his 9mm service pistol?


Knowing typical cop handgun aim, I think probably he would. Too bad even pro-gun control people like yourself are anti- gun control when it comes to cops. If you could take a consistent position you might be able to change things....
 
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