Now isn't the time to talk about what might happen in the future.Yeah right.
Pop quiz: You're walking down the street with your friends and family and loved ones in a crowd of 200 people and a guardian angel appears and tells you that somebody is about to open fire randomly. The guardian angel says that it can be 58 people in that crowd killed, or just 12. You gonna shrug and say whatever? Gimme a fucking break. You'd beg that it was just 12 rather than 58. You think the 46 extra dead might agree to disagree too? You think the parents that lost their children might agree to disagree? You think the orphans who will never hug their mommy or daddy again will agree to disagree?
That's another tragedy here, that some people will just view the entire thing as a dispassionate exercise in statistics, that 1 dead or 12 dead or 58 dead doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference because the act is 99% of the event. You wouldn't feel that way if you knew or were related to those other 46 victims that a little common sense gun legislation might have saved.
Yes, it was an outdoor concert, and he had a very advantageous shooting angle.This was an outdoor event? I know it sounds like he smashed a window out to shoot, but I thought it was some kind of indoor event. That's really Fing crazy, I can't imagine ever feeling like a dead duck like that.
Dude killed more people then a natural disaster called Irma.
AFAIK they claim responsibility for everything bad that happens. If they knew I had tacos last night they'd claim responsibility for my "attack" upon the office bathroom this morning.
This was an outdoor event? I know it sounds like he smashed a window out to shoot, but I thought it was some kind of indoor event. That's really Fing crazy, I can't imagine ever feeling like a dead duck like that.
Dude killed more people then a natural disaster called Irma.
Which, considering we don't even know what weapons he was using at this point (fully automatic, or a 'mock' automatic semi-auto), this would be classified well into the realm of 'knee-jerk'. Having said that, fully automatic weapons are *extremely* expensive, and already have a substantial amount of 'pound you in the ass prison' if you run afoul of the ATF, so I think that's a very very small pool to be focusing on.Good to know. I stand corrected.
I still would support a high dollar amount reward for a person who notifies the police of someone illegally owning an automatic weapon and many years in prison for possession of such without being licensed.
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You cannot remove such capacity.
All a nutjob has to do is rent a large truck and plow thru a crowd, or buy a bunch of fertilizer and blow it up, also at or near a large crowd. If you require a psychiatric report before renting trucks, then they'll just steal the truck and you still wont have stopped them.
Whenever something like this happens, the general public tends to panic and grope around for something that makes them feel safe even if it doesnt actually make them safer. Usually its in the form of new laws. What they dont consider is hypothetically if laws actually prevented crime, we would not have any freakin crime.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. The introduction of the horrific act, to me, is 99% of the event. Quantity ranks so low on my list as to barely register, as it's up to as much random happenstance as the intent of the actor.
Let's hold hands and sing the anthem.
I don't think that's wholly true. This lady's an NYT correspondent who covers ISIS:
https://twitter.com/rcallimachi
She says that doesn't often happen.
But so far she thinks it's probable that they're doing exactly what you say. Won't know until we know what's on the shooter's phone.
Again, I say, how many people are thanking their respective higher power that the 59th didn't die?Tell that to the 58th person that died.
It's certainly possible to reduce the avenues for it and given the experience of other first world countries.
Again, I say, how many people are thanking their respective higher power that the 59th didn't die?
Sadly enough they were penned up inside of those high barriers making it easy for the shooter to hit them. This in and of itself demonstrates planning as he positioned himself to have access to them from that angle. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.Some "expert" was going on about, well he had to do some practicing somewhere. Really, he was literally shooting ducks in a barrel with an automatic weapon. No skill required.
Now isn't the time to talk about what might happen in the future.
No, it is not CERTAINLY possible. You dont know that. You assume it. You wanna believe it. You cant prove it.
We've already established what works in other countries is not automatically successful in America. We have banned guns plenty of times already. It didnt help much.
We cant give our citizens universal health care either. We want it. We've seen others do it. We cant make it work ourselves. Mostly cuz of greed and selfishness. And the government making bullshit contracts that cost loads of taxpayer dollars and dont help much with anything. Although that could also be greed.
It was in an empty field right across the Luxor. I did walk across that area just a few months ago while I was in LV. I saw that two TALL pipes and was wonder what they were about.
The shooter had the tactical advances of height and surprise, just like the shooter in Dallas a while back but with more targets in a condense area plus more guns/ammo = higher carnages.
Which, considering we don't even know what weapons he was using at this point (fully automatic, or a 'mock' automatic semi-auto), this would be classified well into the realm of 'knee-jerk'. Having said that, fully automatic weapons are *extremely* expensive, and already have a substantial amount of 'pound you in the ass prison' if you run afoul of the ATF, so I think that's a very very small pool to be focusing on.
so it's an acceptable risk. ffs....The problem with freedoms is that they're costly. This one particularly so.
Which incidentally has universal healthcare.
Gawd. Trucks are a necessary component of modern civilization. That can't be said about the firepower of modern military carbines.
Yeah right.
Pop quiz: You're walking down the street with your friends and family and loved ones in a crowd of 200 people and a guardian angel appears and tells you that somebody is about to open fire randomly. The guardian angel says that it can be 58 people in that crowd killed, or just 12. You gonna shrug and say whatever? Gimme a fucking break. You'd beg that it was just 12 rather than 58. You think the 46 extra dead might agree to disagree too? You think the parents that lost their children might agree to disagree? You think the orphans who will never hug their mommy or daddy again will agree to disagree?
That's another tragedy here, that some people will just view the entire thing as a dispassionate exercise in statistics, that 1 dead or 12 dead or 58 dead doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference because the act is 99% of the event. You wouldn't feel that way if you knew or were related to those other 46 victims that a little common sense gun legislation might have saved.
Its best not to get hung up on the terms like "semi-auto" or "full auto" in the strictest sense. What really matters is with mods, can they put out similar rates of fire? And that has been shown they can, enough to warrant looking at restrictions on them. Arguing over the those two words is pretty pointless. Best to just stick to the overall narrative of the discussion about restrictions and or bans.
When did we establish this? I must have missed the memo.We've already established what works in other countries is not automatically successful in America.
No, it is not CERTAINLY possible. You dont know that. You assume it. You wanna believe it. You cant prove it.
We've already established what works in other countries is not automatically successful in America. We have banned guns plenty of times already. It didnt help much.
We cant give our citizens universal health care either. We want it. We've seen others do it. We cant make it work ourselves. Mostly cuz of greed and selfishness. And the government making bullshit contracts that cost loads of taxpayer dollars and dont help much with anything. Although that could also be greed.