If you want to begin to solve the problem you have to look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is what the media does not want you thinking about. That is why everyone is obsessing over "mass shootings" only. A bigger picture solution might be something along the lines of decriminalizing drugs like we did alcohol. Nearly 2/3 of our 15,000 gun murders per year are drug-trade related. We are talking about eliminating around 10,000 gun murders per year! That, to me, comes first. Far before we look at how to eliminate the 100 gun murders per year of assault weapons. We both want gun deaths reduced. I want to take the one step that will eliminate 100x more deaths than your solution. We are actually on the same side, wanting to see fewer murders. Please look at the bigger picture.
Cool, you don't live in reality and in order to talk to people who do, you have to make up lies about them so you don't have to address their points.
none of these things are mutually exclusive.
Know what they don't do when they snap? Take people with them.How do you explain Japan having a greater suicide rate than the US and there are practically no guns in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Who are these "so many"?Nothing wrong with common sense restrictions. The problem is that so many here would push for restrictions that go far beyond commons sense. Look at the prior useless assault weapons ban, it infringed on rights while achieving nothing. I agree something like a universal background check wouldn't hurt my rights and could help slow down the rate at which guns fall into the hands of those that shouldn't have them. But the 2A has been whittled away over the years, is already highly restricted and when compared to other things that kill us, guns aren't unreasonably unsafe statistically. So with that, and the continued reality of the intention behind the 2A, I cannot agree with more meaningless infringement on my rights. I'm glad that overall America agrees with me.
Knives kill something like 5x as many people as rifles. Guess which one the illogical emotionals here want to restrict or ban.
Correct. Yet one of these is more urgent and does FAR FAR FAR more good and doesn't punish people who have done nothing wrong. That is the optimal first solution.
Sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for a solution to mass gun violence.
2 questions:
1) Which solution/fix/issue is more urgent (saves more lives in a shorter timeframe)
2) Which one has an 84 page+ thread on ATOT demanding prison time for people who have done nothing wrong in order to save possible a few people per year?
Hey, I get your point, there are things that are more dangerous than assault rifles. My point is there is currently momentum to try to fix a problem, and we should take advantage of that momentum. It is unfortunate that it takes a mass tragedy in order to gain momentum.
Hey, I get your point, there are things that are more dangerous than assault rifles. My point is there is currently momentum to try to fix a problem, and we should take advantage of that momentum. It is unfortunate that it takes a mass tragedy in order to gain momentum.
Knives kill something like 5x as many people as rifles. Guess which one the illogical emotionals here want to restrict or ban.
The problem so many gullible morons have is they are reactive when we need to be proactive.
This mass shooting is a perfect example of that. Sure, ban the auto-fire addons, that doesn't fix the overall issue, in addition to the fact that it doesn't look too difficult to make a similar device yourself. That won't prevent this situation. Want more extensive background checks and rules for selling? Guess what, this is a perfect example of why that isn't the answer. Want to ban all semi-automatic rifles? Guess what? You won't even make a 5% dent in gun-related deaths - and that's under the presumption that those that had such weapons wouldn't just use a different weapon to answer for it (hand gun, which accounts for ~70%+ of all homicide deaths). So again I ask, what's the answer? Quit with the reactive non-sense and talk about something that actually has some documentation and proof that it will significantly affect the number of murders.
The US has some sincere psychological problems that plenty of first and third world countries do not have to deal with at such a magnitude. I wish I could tell you the answer with something simple like "Open up free psych-wards everywhere" but I guarantee that isn't feasible, nor is it going to be the overall answer.
Who are these "so many"?
The problem so many gullible morons have is they are reactive when we need to be proactive.
This mass shooting is a perfect example of that. Sure, ban the auto-fire addons, that doesn't fix the overall issue, in addition to the fact that it doesn't look too difficult to make a similar device yourself. That won't prevent this situation. Want more extensive background checks and rules for selling? Guess what, this is a perfect example of why that isn't the answer. Want to ban all semi-automatic rifles? Guess what? You won't even make a 5% dent in gun-related deaths - and that's under the presumption that those that had such weapons wouldn't just use a different weapon to answer for it (hand gun, which accounts for ~70%+ of all homicide deaths). So again I ask, what's the answer? Quit with the reactive non-sense and talk about something that actually has some documentation and proof that it will significantly affect the number of murders.
The US has some sincere psychological problems that plenty of first and third world countries do not have to deal with at such a magnitude. I wish I could tell you the answer with something simple like "Open up free psych-wards everywhere" but I guarantee that isn't feasible, nor is it going to be the overall answer.
Based on your posting history, you won't like this, but an immediate and impactful solution would be to decriminalize drugs and treat it as a medical issue instead of a criminal one. Like Portugal did, with tremendous success. Sure, we would need fewer cops, prison guards, court cases, lawyers, etc... I'm sure that is the part you wouldn't like. However, we would pretty much eliminate the drug war, which accounts for most gun murders in America. If we did it right, we could reduce: our murder rate, our violence rate, our addiction rate, our overdose rate, our HIV rate, and our spending on fighting drugs. It is win-win-win-win-win.
What are your views on gun restriction, what would you like to see in your ideal vision of America and the 2A? I imagine you'd be in the "so many" group, but to be honest, I wonder what you think the answer is.
oops, wrong person.This post is confusing. To me, 1,600 deaths per year (from knives) is worse that about 100 per year (assault rifles). Both are horrific. Yet I think 1,600 grieving sets of families and friends is worse than 100. What does it matter if the 100 is reached in fewer incidences? What makes a few mass shootings per year worse than many many more individual murders?
No no no you don't understand. (it is actually 15x as many people). TIL the important thing is not how many people die overall. It is how many people die in one single instance.
It helps if you narrow your view with blinders so you don't see the bigger problem but focus on the single instance. This way you can emotionally manipulate people into taking away rights from non-violent others.
All gun owners must report to gayafication camps for 1 month.
I deleted this but then saw that it applies to you as well so, reposting it just for you...Your point was that people who own something that another person owns are responsible for what that other person does with that thing. It is fucking absurd. The person who does the bad thing is responsible for it. Nobody else. You are trying to say that since I own some guns this latest shooting is on me. Fuck you I wasn't there.
So's your face! Just kidding, what I meant to say is that there is zero evidence that your " "critical" or "logical" thinking is in any way connected to even a modicum of intelligence. Fix that won't ya?So your commentary has degraded to less than useless as facts, reality, critical thinking, evidence, and logic defeat your emotional views.
I deleted this but then saw that it applies to you as well so, reposting it just for you...
You've perfected the art of stupid. Well done! Be sure to keep practicing, perfection can be lost by neglecting your skill set (no chance of that thank Gawd!). You wouldn't want that now would you?
You as well @SlowSpyder .
I'm not trying to say it, I said it. As a 'responsible' gun owner/user it's on you just as much as anyone to stop this bullshit with guns.
Also stfu about suicide and knives. Asshole with guns are a problem that needs to be addressed. Something can be done about guns. Knives, well we use them for other purposes. Guns are for killing, that's the entire reason for being. That is not true of knives.