Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[Jhhnn]

I'd like your next post to be the scoreboard of people killed by their own governments in nations that disarmed their own people. You're gonna need a bigger scoreboard.

Paranoid often? Is that an integral part of having a fetish for military type firearms?

 

[Younigue]

Henceforth, I shall be known as "Darth Skippy". Now go ahead and post the data I requested. Let it dwarf the data you are using to attempt to put gun owners in prison and wreck their lives and the lives of their children.

Here's a statistic for ya Pip... Came up with it all on my own. Guns are 100% weapons.

 

[Younigue]

There is substantial evidence that converting the war on drugs from a criminal war to a medical war would eliminate the majority of gun deaths. It sounds like a fantastic first start. THEN AFTER WE DO THIS, we can talk details. FYI guns are used for defensive purposes hundreds of thousands of times per year in America. Eliminate guns and you eliminate the ability of the individual to defend themselves.

So Australia, are the gun victims just forgetting to get shot and die?

 

[brycejones]

Henceforth, I shall be known as "Darth Skippy". Now go ahead and post the data I requested. Let it dwarf the data you are using to attempt to put gun owners in prison and wreck their lives and the lives of their children.

Needs more chemtrails, FEMA camps, jade helm, agenda 21, Islam, Hillary, gayifaction, communism, nazis, and Alex Jones to really sing 0/10 for you.

 

[WackyDan]

So much this.

We had a thread here about how Florida I think it was, was trying to prevent pediatricians from asking if there was a weapon in the house and recommending that it be stored safely.

You wouldn't believe the anger and whining from gun owners on this board about how dare a Dr ask them if they had weapons or dare suggest they be stored safely.

If someone can't handle being reminded to store their weapons safely they have no business owning one.

It has no business being a check box on my medical records and stored in yet another database.

 

[Ns1]

n/m, over it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

All gun owners must report to gayafication camps for 1 month.

You think that LBGT aren't gun owners? Bigot much?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Sure thing skippy. Gun nutters haven't been trying to derail this thread for the last 75 pages or anything already.

Derail this thread? Why? As far as i'm concerned I hope you come up with the best 5 or 6 items to push for as far as gun legislation goes and write/call/text your Democrat representatives to push for it in the 2018/2020 election cycles. Nothing would make me happier then to have Democrats pushing for radical gun control in upcoming elections. Have at it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Derail this thread? Why? As far as i'm concerned I hope you come up with the best 5 or 6 items to push for as far as gun legislation goes and write/call/text your Democrat representatives to push for it in the 2018/2020 election cycles. Nothing would make me happier then to have Democrats pushing for radical gun control in upcoming elections. Have at it.

It'll be great for the nutters to take a stand on bump stocks, too, and universal background checks as well.

 

[HomerJS]

So the argument against making certain types of guns illegal is criminals can still get them.

Automatic weapons were made almost illegal in 1986. You can still go through a special process to get one. Now this guy had the goal to get off as many rounds as possible. An automatic weapon would do this without the distortion of the bump stock. This guy had a lot of money and wanted to commit a crime. Sounds like a textbook case of someone who can purchase an illegal weapon yet he didn't. Why not? Maybe since 1986 automatic weapons are not readily available. This goes directly against the argument 2A people using against banning semi-auto or assault weapons.

 

[Younigue]

Derail this thread? Why? As far as i'm concerned I hope you come up with the best 5 or 6 items to push for as far as gun legislation goes and write/call/text your Democrat representatives to push for it in the 2018/2020 election cycles. Nothing would make me happier then to have Democrats pushing for radical gun control in upcoming elections. Have at it.

So... You're coming from a place of pure Scumbaggery.

Guns need to be controlled, strictly! The fact that so many people don't get that speaks volumes to the sickness that is festering in America. Good on ya for being one of the most annoying (because it's unreachable) pustules on America's Ass.

* No. No explanation on why America can't reach its own ass.

 

[Younigue]

So... You're coming from a place of pure Scumbaggery.

Guns need to be controlled, strictly! The fact that so many people don't get that speaks volumes to the sickness that is festering in America. Good on ya for being one of the most annoying (because it's unreachable) pustules on America's Ass.

* No. No explanation on why America can't reach its own ass.

Yet healing it would feel so good! And be healthier for everyone (Americans) involved.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It'll be great for the nutters to take a stand on bump stocks, too, and universal background checks as well.

My bet is bump stocks are going to be a gimme, an example of the NRA's reasonable and friendly compromise on gun laws. I don't think "universal background checks" is nearly as popular as some polls show it, especially when people are so uninformed about what they actually do. They will be opposed.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So... You're coming from a place of pure Scumbaggery.

Guns need to be controlled, strictly! The fact that so many people don't get that speaks volumes to the sickness that is festering in America. Good on ya for being one of the most annoying (because it's unreachable) pustules on America's Ass.

* No. No explanation on why America can't reach its own ass.

http://constitutionus.com/
You really should read it sometime.

 

[Paladin3]

So... You're coming from a place of pure Scumbaggery.

Guns need to be controlled, strictly! The fact that so many people don't get that speaks volumes to the sickness that is festering in America. Good on ya for being one of the most annoying (because it's unreachable) pustules on America's Ass.

* No. No explanation on why America can't reach its own ass.

Isn't that kind of how a democracy works? Majority rules? Just because you think the majority is wrong doesn't make it so or a "sickness."

 

[umbrella39]

When someone from the anti-2A side brings up a comparison of all deaths in war vs. all deaths caused by guns this site is all for it. When I compare freedoms that show perspective, that show where guns compare to other things no one here is rallying against near the level they are against guns, it is a strawman argument. Gotta love this forum.

Stop posting illogically if it bothers you so much...

 

[Wuzup101]

So the argument against making certain types of guns illegal is criminals can still get them.

Automatic weapons were made almost illegal in 1986. You can still go through a special process to get one. Now this guy had the goal to get off as many rounds as possible. An automatic weapon would do this without the distortion of the bump stock. This guy had a lot of money and wanted to commit a crime. Sounds like a textbook case of someone who can purchase an illegal weapon yet he didn't. Why not? Maybe since 1986 automatic weapons are not readily available. This goes directly against the argument 2A people using against banning semi-auto or assault weapons.

No one on the "right" (and TBH many in the middle) is going to support banning one of the most popular sporting arms in the country when it accounts for a minuscule amount of crimes. Lets just face facts, I'll support better gun control and think it's a great idea. I'm not going to support giving up rifles that I've spent thousands of dollars on (not to mention had to pay for wait on NFA stamps) and shoot frequently as a hobby because one wack job killed a bunch of people (as horrible as that act was). Every other "mass shooting" that has been carried out in recent memory (read: with the exception of the Vegas shooting) could have been equally effective if the asshole behind it would have used a few pistols instead of a rifle and a pistol. Now if you want to keep better track of them, or do a more thorough background check or something like that (waiting period, etc...) I might be willing to support that (again if it's reasonable). Currently, the NFA turn around is NOT reasonable.

FYI - you can go on gun broker right now and purchase a full auto AR15SP1 M16 conversion (full auto) for just over 20k. And there were WAY less machine guns and conversions registered at the time of the 1986 ban as compared to the current number of AR15s (just AR15s, not the other hundred different semi-automatic rifles that accept high capacity magazines) in the country. There are about 175,000 pre-ban (transferable) machine guns in the registry per the BATFE (in 2016). There are likely several million AR15s by most estimates. There are likely tens of millions of 30 round magazines (they are cheap and people stock up every time there is a gun grabbing scare).

Number of machine guns:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...eveals-the-number-of-registered-machine-guns/

Estimate on AR15s: http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html

 

[Meghan54]

This definitely goes here:

 

[mxnerd]

http://constitutionus.com/
You really should read it sometime.

People have right to bear arms does not mean fire arms shouldn't be regulated.

Drivers have right to drive on the streets doesn't mean there shouldn't be traffic laws.

 

[Paladin3]

People have right to bear arms does not mean fire arms shouldn't be regulated.

Drivers have right to drive on the streets doesn't mean there shouldn't be traffic laws.

There is a ton of gun regulation already, not to mention assault and murder and already illegal. What additional gun law can we pass that would actually reduce crime and violence in America besides total prohibition? And how the heck would we accomplish taking guns away from folks who don't want to give them up? Or folks that don't want to jump through whatever regulatory hoops we put in place to restrict gun ownership? Remember, there are more guns in this country than there are people. No new law is going to magically change that.

 

[shortylickens]

People have right to bear arms does not mean fire arms shouldn't be regulated.

Drivers have right to drive on the streets doesn't mean there shouldn't be traffic laws.

Actually, you DONT have a right to drive on public streets. Thats the very first thing stated in almost every drivers manual.

Regardless, I agree with your post. Theres nothing wrong with regulating weapons so long as you dont ban them completely.
Mandatory training classes, universal background checks, 3 day waiting periods, I am fine with all of these things.
Maybe even tests every 5 years or 10 years.
With power comes responsibility and there is definitely not enough responsibility these days.

 

[Paladin3]

Actually, you DONT have a right to drive on public streets. Thats the very first thing stated in almost every drivers manual.

Regardless, I agree with your post. Theres nothing wrong with regulating weapons so long as you dont ban them completely.
Mandatory training classes, universal background checks, 3 day waiting periods, I am fine with all of these things.
Maybe even tests every 5 years or 10 years.
With power comes responsibility and there is definitely not enough responsibility these days.

None of that would have stopped the LV shooter.

 

[Younigue]

Isn't that kind of how a democracy works? Majority rules? Just because you think the majority is wrong doesn't make it so or a "sickness."

Oh it's a sickness.

Loving guns the way Americans do. Being so afraid all the time that guns seem to be the only solution. The hate that far too many gun owners feel toward, well, just about anyone, take your pick. That the NRA has so much power and money to influence not only legislators but also a ridiculous amount of the most poorly educated/volatile within society.

Majority? Nah! We have a... Huge Organization, Bought And Paid For Legislators, Non-Voting Segment Of Society Problem.

If it were a democracy the NRA wouldn't wield the money power that they do with the people who are supposed to be voting in House for the best interest of the people. Are you honestly oblivious to these things?

The majority of American do not own guns.

Heavily vetted/Trained/Registered hunters, Law Enforcement, Secret Service, Military and those tasked with protecting the people are the only people who should possess guns. That's what makes sense. The paranoiod, obsessed and pathetically fearful... Oh, and the truly stupid (many of who believe themselves to be patriotic) and the evil do not need guns and neither should they have them.

 

[Starbuck1975]

No one on the "right" (and TBH many in the middle) is going to support banning one of the most popular sporting arms in the country when it accounts for a minuscule amount of crimes. Lets just face facts, I'll support better gun control and think it's a great idea. I'm not going to support giving up rifles that I've spent thousands of dollars on (not to mention had to pay for wait on NFA stamps) and shoot frequently as a hobby because one wack job killed a bunch of people (as horrible as that act was). Every other "mass shooting" that has been carried out in recent memory (read: with the exception of the Vegas shooting) could have been equally effective if the asshole behind it would have used a few pistols instead of a rifle and a pistol. Now if you want to keep better track of them, or do a more thorough background check or something like that (waiting period, etc...) I might be willing to support that (again if it's reasonable). Currently, the NFA turn around is NOT reasonable.

FYI - you can go on gun broker right now and purchase a full auto AR15SP1 M16 conversion (full auto) for just over 20k. And there were WAY less machine guns and conversions registered at the time of the 1986 ban as compared to the current number of AR15s (just AR15s, not the other hundred different semi-automatic rifles that accept high capacity magazines) in the country. There are about 175,000 pre-ban (transferable) machine guns in the registry per the BATFE (in 2016). There are likely several million AR15s by most estimates. There are likely tens of millions of 30 round magazines (they are cheap and people stock up every time there is a gun grabbing scare).

Number of machine guns:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...eveals-the-number-of-registered-machine-guns/

Estimate on AR15s: http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...many_assault_rifles_are_there_in_america.html

I am on the right and I support taking away anything other than a bolt action rifles configured for low capacity sport shooting.

Someone with a pistol is infinitely less effective than someone with a rifle in terms of range, lethality and accuracy. This is why infantrymen carry rifles.

I remember a time when cigarette ads were in magazines and at bus stops, a time when tobacco companies marketed to minors, when they ran advertising campaigns around points for swag, etc. But public opinion shifted. Now there are hardly any advertisements. Don't see Marlboro swag everywhere anymore.

The same will happen with guns.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I remember a time when cigarette ads were in magazines and at bus stops, a time when tobacco companies marketed to minors, when they ran advertising campaigns around points for swag, etc. But public opinion shifted. Now there are hardly any advertisements. Don't see Marlboro swag everywhere anymore.

I can't say that I've ever seen a tv commercial for firearms. Now I have seen them in places where you'd expect for them to be like in gun magazines and on gun related websites.

I lean to the right on guns and don't believe that semi-auto weapons should be taken away, however, I do believe that the law needs to be modified so that any device, either internal or external, that allows a semi-auto weapon to function as an automatic should be outlawed or at least require a tax stamp and only be allowable on a single weapon who's serial number must be recorded on the application and assigned to the bump stock which must also have its own serial number shown on the application..

Any separation of the two for purposes other than maintenance or storage should be a felony and the weapon should be subject to unannounced inspections just like a FFL permit holder must submit to. The price of an automatic tax stamp should rise to at least $5k to discourage people from having one.