Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[imported_tajmahal]

Vox piece responding to WaPo editorial:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16418754/gun-control-washington-post

Did you even notice what the countries they mention with a low murder rate have in common?

 

[brycejones]

Did you even notice what the countries they mention with a low murder rate have in common?

You aren't there?

 

[mdram]

That doesn't require semi-automatic operation & extended magazines, does it?

extended? no, jsut standard capacity
standard for my pistol is 15 rounds
standard for an ar15 is 30
standard for my bolt actions varies from 4 to 8

so whatever they are sold with is the standard

edit forgot semi auto
well required? depends on what your doing

 

[HumblePie]

That doesn't require semi-automatic operation & extended magazines, does it?

Extended? you mean standard size? Initial design is standard size, not extended.

Semi-automatic is how that vast majority of guns are that aren't revolvers or something that requires a jamming rod. Beyond a few historical enthusiasts, no one uses muskets like that these days. Or do you only drive a Model T to work every day?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That doesn't require semi-automatic operation & extended magazines, does it?

It doesn't omit it either. Depends on what the operator wants to use.

 

[zinfamous]

You have forced home economics and shop for all. Forced math, English, History, Sex Ed, and a whole slew of other educational topics. What is so bad about gun safety/training?

forced home ec and shop? what is this, 1975? I don't think those have been a thing in nearly any school since the 80s.

forced sex ed? LoL, it's as if we don't have biblebelters and others in this country holding school districts by the balls to remove this (successfully) from curriculum.

I think we should shore up our civics and general econ policy. Focusing, exclusively, on the "holy glory of the 2nd amendment, praise be its name" is the exact kind of fascist fethisism that you claim "the others" are forcing you into rejecting.

 

[mdram]

i wonder how many people know lewis and clark had a semi auto that held 20 rounds

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Girandoni : )

 

[zinfamous]

i wonder how many people know lewis and clark had a semi auto that held 20 rounds

what is this, Jeopardy?

 

[HumblePie]

forced home ec and shop? what is this, 1975? I don't think those have been a thing in nearly any school since the 80s.

forced sex ed? LoL, it's as if we don't have biblebelters and others in this country holding school districts by the balls to remove this (successfully) from curriculum.

I think we should shore up our civics and general econ policy. Focusing, exclusively, on the "holy glory of the 2nd amendment, praise be its name" is the exact kind of fascist fethisism that you claim "the others" are forcing you into rejecting.

Forced home ec, shop, sex ed, and PE are still done today. Every highschool in my state has those required. Most schools everywhere have required classes that are something other than your "standard" academia type classes. None of those classes are educational about a Constitutional right. Having educational courses teaching us about one of our major Constitutional Rights just triggers your shit for some reason? Wonder why. What makes you so butthurt about education?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

i wonder how many people know lewis and clark had a semi auto that held 20 rounds

I wonder how many give a shit about that. First one doesn't count.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

what is this, Jeopardy?

Notice how it is one with 20 rounds, not 64 semi auto guns each which were modified to fire full auto and they walked around Philadelphia with them.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This is a silly argument as there are large amounts of regulations as to both who can purchase cigarettes, taxes designed to discourage their purchase, and restrictions on where you can smoke them. I will never understand this bizarre defensiveness among gun enthusiasts or these silly defenses like the earlier one where we apparently have to restrict voting access in the same ways we restrict gun access.

Stop trying to deflect away from the negative effects of gun ownership and defend it on its own merits instead of whatabout-ing cars, cigarettes, and whatever else you can think of.

Just putting perspective around it. Remember when that other poster compared all gun deaths to all American deaths in wars? I hadn't seen any of you jump on that poster for adding perspective. But when I do it, it is wrong. Glad I rejoined the NRA.

 

[fskimospy]

Just putting perspective around it. Remember when that other poster compared all gun deaths to all American deaths in wars? I hadn't seen any of you jump on that poster for adding perspective. But when I do it, it is wrong. Glad I rejoined the NRA.

I didn't see that post, but yes that would be dumb as well.

If you enjoy being a part of the NRA and sending your money to them that's great for you! I'll save my cash and spend it on something more fun.

 

[Younigue]

And how is this any different from you (and others) being so afraid that banning guns seems to be the only solution?

There's a handful of people/posts in this thread that have actually attempted to reach some kind of compromise, something that in some way approaches the territory that might actually pull back our gun culture, or at least fetishism of violence, but it's like a band of 5% in between the 95% on both sides.

So, I'm certain your logic doesn't make any....

 

[mdram]

I wonder how many give a shit about that. First one doesn't count.

historical perspective. semi auto are not a new invention

 

[Jhhnn]

i wonder how many people know lewis and clark had a semi auto that held 20 rounds

That's not true. They had a repeating air rifle-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

 

[Younigue]

here is a simple solutions

if you want to live in a gun free country, please feel free to move to one. i am sure you parents could use the space in the basement

Geezus Cries-t! When you idiots are done kicking everyone out there will be a handful of you left. I have a sneaking suspicion that those of you who are left (the self-appointed righteous a.k.a. idiots) will hate each other. Good thing you all will have guns!

Also, do you truly want to be surrounded by a society of gun toting buffoons? You know what that means if all the smart people leave the country? Fewer targets. Y'all don't seem to be comprehending the inevitable conclusion to removing all but the imbeciles from the country.

 

[mdram]

That's not true. They had a repeating air rifle-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle

thats the one, so repeating and semi auto are not the same thing?

also it did see military service

 

[pmv]

Launching a projectile forward.

My guns are used to train hand eye coordination, hit paper targets, and have fun doing so. That is what is a gun is for to me and many others.

I don't buy that. If it's just about 'training hand eye co-ordination' you could do that with a computer game. Or a bow. Or a paint gun. There's no logical reason why to do that you'd need a lethal (often quasi-military) weapon. Unless, of course, you aren't telling the whole story, and a major part of the appeal is imagining that you are shooting human beings.
Otherwise, making holes in bits of paper at a distance strikes me as an extremely tedious hobby.

Now it's quite true one could say the same about first person shooter games and the like, but those things don't simultaneously involve having the very item that would be required to make those day-dreams real.

VAST MAJORITY never have been used to kill any living thing.

The same is true of nuclear weapons, yet the US seems determined to control which country gets them!

 

[mdram]

I don't buy that. If it's just about 'training hand eye co-ordination' you could do that with a computer game. Or a bow. Or a paint gun. There's no logical reason why to do that you'd need a lethal (often quasi-military) weapon. Unless, of course, you aren't telling the whole story, and a major part of the appeal is imagining that you are shooting human beings.
Otherwise, making holes in bits of paper at a distance strikes me as an extremely tedious hobby.

Now it's quite true one could say the same about first person shooter games and the like, but those things don't simultaneously involve having the very item that would be required to make those day-dreams real.

if you honestly think and fps is the same as target shooting, you should really visit a range. try a 500yd or longer shot.
read the wind, watch for the impact, make adjustments.

 

[ivwshane]

I never said that. I said that everyone buying a gun MUST have education offered for free. I also stated every child on up should be introduced to gun safety as an educational course period. That is not the same as saying everyone must buy a gun. In your case a reading comprehension course might be prudent.

My reading comprehension is fine, its your English that needs work.

FREE gun training and safety courses offered before the first initial purchase of a gun that are mandatory.

A comma would have clarified what you were referring to as being mandatory.

 

[Younigue]

Just putting perspective around it. Remember when that other poster compared all gun deaths to all American deaths in wars? I hadn't seen any of you jump on that poster for adding perspective. But when I do it, it is wrong. Glad I rejoined the NRA.

You don't like being told you're wrong but actually being stupid you embrace. Huh, that's messed up.

Rejoining the NRA... You've mentioned it a couple of times now... Are you threatening those of us disagreeing with you? The placement and context of you mentioning it has that flavor a bit, ya know?

 

[Jhhnn]

thats the one, so repeating and semi auto are not the same thing?

also it did see military service

So dishonest. Semi-autos are repeaters but not all repeaters are semi-auto. You know that if you know much about firearms at all.

 

[HumblePie]

My reading comprehension is fine, its your English that needs work.



A comma would have clarified what you were referring to as being mandatory.

A comma is not required. It is an imperative statement. I should have used the words "should be" instead of that "that are" though for a clearer distinction.