Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[jackstar7]

Tyranny = making education about our second amendment rights mandatory?

I don't think you know the meaning of that word. Really in thinking about it further, I'm positive you don't know the meaning of that word.

Not to mention a right that was explicitly stated to not be infringed upon.

Let's see, you want to force people to do what you think is right.
You interpret mandatory gun safety as "education about our 2A rights".
And you actively choose the handiwork of activist judges when you stand at your interpretation of the Second. I'm sure that'll never come bite you in the ass.

Tyranny. You are the one who doesn't understand it, sir.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

So, I'm certain your logic doesn't make any....

Sorry, do you deny that you are afraid of more gun-related deaths, and this is the reason for your comments against the usage/collection/ownership of guns?

 

[Younigue]

Sorry, do you deny that you are afraid of more gun-related deaths, and this is the reason for your comments against the usage/collection/ownership of guns?

Nope, not afraid. Saddened by the inevitability, when changes can and should be made to prevent/decrease dramatically, gun deaths.

 

[HumblePie]

Let's see, you want to force people to do what you think is right.
You interpret mandatory gun safety as "education about our 2A rights".
And you actively choose the handiwork of activist judges when you stand at your interpretation of the Second. I'm sure that'll never come bite you in the ass.

Tyranny. You are the one who doesn't understand it, sir.

Tyranny as defined by any dictionary = Cruel, oppressive, unreasonable, arbitrary, and unjust rule by an authority.


Forcing education about guns safety and our 2nd amendment right as outlined by our country since it's founding does not fit into that definition at all.

I think you really need to think a bit harder on why you have such an abject fear of firearms to even make such a statement.

 

[mdram]

https://takealiberalshooting.wordpress.com/

 

[zinfamous]

Forced home ec, shop, sex ed, and PE are still done today. Every highschool in my state has those required. Most schools everywhere have required classes that are something other than your "standard" academia type classes. None of those classes are educational about a Constitutional right. Having educational courses teaching us about one of our major Constitutional Rights just triggers your shit for some reason? Wonder why. What makes you so butthurt about education?

lol, care to point out where I said that? I specifically said that we need a greater concentration of general civics education and full constitutional education, not something squarely focused on your singular holy amendment, "greater than all others," as you originally suggested.

 

[mdram]

lol, care to point out where I said that? I specifically said that we need a greater concentration of general civics education and full constitutional education, not something squarely focused on your singular holy amendment, "greater than all others," as you originally suggested.

constitution is outdated, should be replaced/repealed

 

[jackstar7]

Tyranny as defined by any dictionary = Cruel, oppressive, unreasonable, arbitrary, and unjust rule by an authority.

Forcing education about guns safety and our 2nd amendment right as outlined by our country since it's founding does not fit into that definition at all.

I think you really need to think a bit harder on why you have such an abject fear of firearms to even make such a statement.

I have no such fear. They are neither part of my life, nor will they be. They are a useless tool/toy for the whole of my existence.

What I do have is you trying to force your will upon others. It is arbitrary. It is unreasonable. And it is oppressive. And for many it will be cruel. It's unjust status is obvious.

But carry on. I'm sure your will can triumph.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Nope, not afraid. Saddened by the inevitability, when changes can and should be made to prevent/decrease dramatically, gun deaths.

So if I told you that the same amount of effort (manpower, money, whatever) could be put toward a purpose that dramatically decreased deaths, but wasn't gun related deaths, would you be more in favor of that than putting it toward decreasing gun related deaths? Bear in mind manpower and money are finite, so resources must be taken from one to put toward another.

 

[pmv]

You don't like being told you're wrong but actually being stupid you embrace. Huh, that's messed up.

Rejoining the NRA... You've mentioned it a couple of times now... Are you threatening those of us disagreeing with you? The placement and context of you mentioning it has that flavor a bit, ya know?

Seems more like childishness to me. "Now look what you made me do!" sort of thing. Reminds me of an argument from when I first encountered usenet a long time ago, when someone declared he was now going to oppose gay marriage because some gay posters had said mean things to him in the course of a typical bad-tempered internet row. The message apparently being 'you better tip-toe round me or I'll get even worse'.

Just petulant and absurdly self-important in equal measure.

 

[ivwshane]

So if I told you that the same amount of effort (manpower, money, whatever) could be put toward a purpose that dramatically decreased deaths, but wasn't gun related deaths, would you be more in favor of that than putting it toward decreasing gun related deaths? Bear in mind manpower and money are finite, so resources must be taken from one to put toward another.

Yes. Which is why health care is and should be a priority of the left. Is this news to you? Because, when dems had control of all three branches of government, I don't recall a single piece of legislation that was voted on that restricted or attempted to address violence via guns. Do you?

I don't see using a tragedy to move on legislation as a bad thing when you are a minority party with little political power.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I wonder why so many of our resident lefties are getting so exercised/outraged/angry about gun control when they are all so sure that Global Warming is going to kill everyone first? Hmmmm?

 

[HumblePie]

I have no such fear. They are neither part of my life, nor will they be. They are a useless tool/toy for the whole of my existence.

What I do have is you trying to force your will upon others. It is arbitrary. It is unreasonable. And it is oppressive. And for many it will be cruel. It's unjust status is obvious.

But carry on. I'm sure your will can triumph.

I'm not trying to ban guns because I'm afraid of them like many on this forum. Nor am I make really bad statements like most of the ridiculous "sensible" gun control that amounts to nothing which many on the left have bandied about.

I am making suggestions that would be to the benefit of all and make everyone safer. Proper education does not make things worse. Or do you think we should abolish the school system? Right now we force all kids in America through certain educational courses, and many of them are not just math, science, and literacy courses.

Your whole argument against such education stinks to high heaven of someone with a massive paranoia to guns or anything that may be related. Only those who have such paranoia would even be afraid of being taught anything about it. This isn't something stupid like "intelligent design" crap. This is about one of the MAJOR government decisions since the founding of this country. Do not try to equate the two either. Not saying you did, but trying to dismiss the education as not needed, akin to something like intelligent design as my example to an education that is not needed, shows your true colors.

 

[pmv]

I wonder why so many of our resident lefties are getting so exercised/outraged/angry about gun control when they are all so sure that Global Warming is going to kill everyone first? Hmmmm?

Your most fatuous post yet.

 

[ivwshane]

I wonder why so many of our resident lefties are getting so exercised/outraged/angry about gun control when they are all so sure that Global Warming is going to kill everyone first? Hmmmm?

Do you even realize how stupid you sound? Do you do that on purpose? Are you handicapped?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

thats the one, so repeating and semi auto are not the same thing?

also it did see military service

About the same power as a .45 ACP, they killed grizzly bears with it. Fired 20 rounds between recharges.

 

[HumblePie]

lol, care to point out where I said that? I specifically said that we need a greater concentration of general civics education and full constitutional education, not something squarely focused on your singular holy amendment, "greater than all others," as you originally suggested.

Just the mere tone of what you wrote as you argued against my proposal about proper education basically confirms that statement. Only those completely afraid to the point of paranoia or drinking too much of the control/ban koolaid would have a problem with proper education about one of our most important and influential rights in America.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Your most fatuous post yet.

Just making fun of you folks.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yes. Which is why health care is and should be a priority of the left. Is this news to you? Because, when dems had control of all three branches of government, I don't recall a single piece of legislation that was voted on that restricted or attempted to address violence via guns. Do you?

I don't see using a tragedy to move on legislation as a bad thing when you are a minority party with little political power.

Healthcare should be a priority of everyone, and mental healthcare should be top priority as it's been woefully ignored by the US (and western civilization at large). This isn't news to me, it's probably news to many though. Dems didn't do shit because it's not really the priority of any lawmakers. Frankly non-reactionary or non-party beneficial legislation isn't on the radar for any lawmakers it seems, which is infuriating to no end. Now, I take issue with you stating very specifically that you're problem is that they didn't put forth specifically legislation to address gun violence. I want to address all violence, because I think chasing guns is a red herring if epic proportions.

Using a tragedy to move on nonsensical legislation, who's only hope of passing is by tugging on emotional reaction, is ALWAYS a bad thing. The subject is irrelevant.

 

[ivwshane]

Healthcare should be a priority of everyone, and mental healthcare should be top priority as it's been woefully ignored by the US (and western civilization at large). This isn't news to me, it's probably news to many though. Dems didn't do shit because it's not really the priority of any lawmakers. Frankly non-reactionary or non-party beneficial legislation isn't on the radar for any lawmakers it seems, which is infuriating to no end. Now, I take issue with you stating very specifically that you're problem is that they didn't put forth specifically legislation to address gun violence. I want to address all violence, because I think chasing guns is a red herring if epic proportions.

Using a tragedy to move on nonsensical legislation, who's only hope of passing is by tugging on emotional reaction, is ALWAYS a bad thing. The subject is irrelevant.

Oops! Your ignorance is showing. Better figure out how to "both sides" your way out of this one!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-mental-health_us_5878ff08e4b09281d0ea7ccf

Using a tragedy to move on "nonsensical" legislation? Let me guess, you are the arbiter of what legislation is deemed "nonsensical"?

 

[pmv]

Just making fun of you folks.

In a way that just makes you look even dimmer than you did before.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not trying to ban guns because I'm afraid of them like many on this forum. Nor am I make really bad statements like most of the ridiculous "sensible" gun control that amounts to nothing which many on the left have bandied about.

I am making suggestions that would be to the benefit of all and make everyone safer. Proper education does not make things worse. Or do you think we should abolish the school system? Right now we force all kids in America through certain educational courses, and many of them are not just math, science, and literacy courses.

Your whole argument against such education stinks to high heaven of someone with a massive paranoia to guns or anything that may be related. Only those who have such paranoia would even be afraid of being taught anything about it. This isn't something stupid like "intelligent design" crap. This is about one of the MAJOR government decisions since the founding of this country. Do not try to equate the two either. Not saying you did, but trying to dismiss the education as not needed, akin to something like intelligent design as my example to an education that is not needed, shows your true colors.

You, like SlowSpyder, should stop inferring things. You're terrible at it.

Likewise, you should stop trying to conflate other educational subjects with gun training as though they have parity.

You come off as quixotic in your fight against all of these enemies trying to take your guns.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Oops! Your ignorance is showing. Better figure out how to "both sides" your way out of this one!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obamacare-mental-health_us_5878ff08e4b09281d0ea7ccf

Using a tragedy to move on "nonsensical" legislation? Let me guess, you are the arbiter of what legislation is deemed "nonsensical"?

Not sure what you're getting at? I certainly don't want the ACA repealed, I'd prefer it to be expanded in fact. I'd also prefer some money/other resources be rerouted to increasing mental health research and mental healthcare.

Note, I've already stated in this thread that the ACA made great strides to increase accessibility (primarily financial accessibility) to mental health care. I'm stating not enough has been done. That's probably the fault of the Republicans cockblocking everything the Democrats have tried to do (since I'm confident the Democrats would go straight to single-payer if they could), but that doesn't change my opinion that it's still falling short, considering we still have people shooting into crowds and we don't understand why.

 

[jackstar7]

I'm not trying to ban guns because I'm afraid of them like many on this forum.

This is priceless by the way.

"My tyranny makes sense and is righteous! That other tyranny is mean and stupid!"

 

[HumblePie]

You, like SlowSpyder, should stop inferring things. You're terrible at it.

Likewise, you should stop trying to conflate other educational subjects with gun training as though they have parity.

You come off as quixotic in your fight against all of these enemies trying to take your guns.

You are the one making the equation, like someone else, about gun education to other educational sources in a dismissive manner.

Nor is education about guns is quixotic, as you posted. It is literally a government enshrined right. I cannot see how you seem to not understand that at a basic level. The fact that such an enshrined right has literally no education about it in society is very sad. That lack of education is what leads to people like you and posts like yours. It leads to crap statements by politicians like Hilary and her laughably retarded comment about suppressors in her recent tweet. There are so many examples of this and it all directly relates to a complete lack and understanding about guns. Education fixes that.

I am NOT saying to force people to own, hold, or even shoot guns. I am stating everyone should have a basic education about what they are, their history, what they are not, and safety about them. That fact you want to argue against such education shows how small minded, paranoid, and crazy you are.