Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

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bshole

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Sorry, in the nomenclature I've used for that phrase 'Didn't do shit' in the past, it has included 'didn't do enough', and yes I am American. I should have been more clear. If the Democrats had a higher personal priority for mental health care over the recent decade(s), it's either been stymied by Republicans or it hasn't been brought forward as well as I would personally like, but that's just my opinion. As I said, the ACA provisions for mental health care are superb for increasing financial accessibility to care. I want more. And I want to see an increase in mental health research and care far more than I want to see lawmakers jumping over themselves finding ways to/not to restrict gun rights.

In all honesty, this nutter would have slipped through the cracks. He seemed like a thoroughly dislikeable sociopath who apparently did this because he hated the world. Some people would say that describes half of the conservative voting public (I wouldn't of course).
 

[DHT]Osiris

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In all honesty, this nutter would have slipped through the cracks. He seemed like a thoroughly dislikeable sociopath who apparently did this because he hated the world. Some people would say that describes half of the conservative voting public (I wouldn't of course).
Of course he would, but let's not let that get in the way of someone telling someone else what to do, and how to live their life.
 

SlowSpyder

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What? Many states have laws banning smoking indoors in public places (which was a huge fight by itself). Seems to me people are plenty concerned about this, and at least something is being done about 2nd hand smoke..

In fact in NYC the police will kill you for selling cigarettes! That's how much they care!


Guns are banned in places as well, so is shooting people. Murderers don't care about the law, though.
 

mdram

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hmmmm.....maybe if you think of the content of that decision in 2008 and how it was different from previous decisions in what the 2nd means you'll be able to understand what he is saying. Your ignorance of a fact that has been discussed in this very thread is YOUR problem not ivwshane's.

please expand on this
the miller decision said we have the rights to carry the same arms as the military

presser decision said the state cant regulate weapons, only the fed
look at historicale cases, then come back
 

mdram

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My statement makes sense to those that know their history with regards to the 2nd amendment and the supreme court and to those that have actually read the constitution. Which means...of course you two don't get it.

again, history is not on your side. please quote scotus cases/decisions
 

bshole

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Of course he would, but let's not let that get in the way of someone telling someone else what to do, and how to live their life.

That horse left the stable centuries ago. Can you shoot an eagle, pick up an eagle feather, drop litter on the road, exceed the speed limit, sell food without having checked for toxins by the government, shit on the side of the road, etc.... There are tens of thousands of restrictions that you have already on you that apparently don't bother you too much. There is nothing wrong with restrictions if the majority of the citizens want them. Freedom is therefor not a valid argument.

The argument should be harm vs benefit. The harm of easy access to guns for all citizens is readily apparent, your job is to argue the benefit of easy access to guns for everybody. In that role, you have not convinced me.
 
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mdram

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You can take any supreme court decision before 2008 with regards to the 2nd and compare it to the 2008 decision.

already did, and the heller (2008) just confirmed them
it even mentions the other decisions
 

SlowSpyder

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Regarding the 2A, I have my reservations about Trump, but I'm really happy he'll be appointing Justices, possibly for the next seven years.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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That horse left the stable centuries ago. Can you shoot an eagle, pick up an eagle feather, drop litter on the road, exceed the speed limit, sell food without having checked for toxins by the government, shit on the side of the road, etc.... There are tens of thousands of restrictions that you have already on you that apparently don't bother you too much. There is nothing wrong with restrictions if the majority of the citizens want them. Freedom is therefor not a valid argument.

The argument should be harm vs benefit. The harm of easy access to guns for all citizens is readily apparent, your job is to argue the benefit of easy access to guns for everybody. In that role, you have not convinced me.
I understand your viewpoint, my viewpoint is a little different. I don't think that the only things society should be afforded are those which are of benefit. If something has an *extreme* level of disadvantage to the population or the world around us, then yes, it should get on the chopping block. Protection of the environment (wholesale slaughter of wildlife, littering), limitations on behavior of everyday actions (speed limits), protection of our food chain, and general sanitation/agreed upon decorum (shitting on side of road) fall under that umbrella, and I'm fine with that. All of those things have very significant and long-term impacts on society at large, and could affect millions if not adhered to.

I think an overt level of resources and attention goes toward guns vs things that would be a much better usage of our time. 33k deaths per year does not a panic make, sad though they are.
 

Younigue

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So if I told you that the same amount of effort (manpower, money, whatever) could be put toward a purpose that dramatically decreased deaths, but wasn't gun related deaths, would you be more in favor of that than putting it toward decreasing gun related deaths? Bear in mind manpower and money are finite, so resources must be taken from one to put toward another.
No, I'd use it to get rid of guns
 

Younigue

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I wonder why so many of our resident lefties are getting so exercised/outraged/angry about gun control when they are all so sure that Global Warming is going to kill everyone first? Hmmmm?
You're stupid. Why must you prove it? Really, there's no part of me that doesn't believe it. I need no more convincing.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Got an email from the NRA:


THANK YOU


Dear SlowSpyder,

You are now a member of America’s oldest civil rights organization. It is great to have you in our corner! As an NRA member, you are defending your Second Amendment rights and promoting gun safety across America.


I'm feeling good about sending them my money. This thread only reinforces that.
 

Bird222

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That horse left the stable centuries ago. Can you shoot an eagle, pick up an eagle feather, drop litter on the road, exceed the speed limit, sell food without having checked for toxins by the government, shit on the side of the road, etc.... There are tens of thousands of restrictions that you have already on you that apparently don't bother you too much. There is nothing wrong with restrictions if the majority of the citizens want them. Freedom is therefor not a valid argument.

The argument should be harm vs benefit. The harm of easy access to guns for all citizens is readily apparent, your job is to argue the benefit of easy access to guns for everybody. In that role, you have not convinced me.
No your job being in a 'free' country and all is to convince me with data that a constitutional right needs to be limited in a certain way.
 
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Got an email from the NRA:


THANK YOU


Dear SlowSpyder,

You are now a member of America’s oldest civil rights organization. It is great to have you in our corner! As an NRA member, you are defending your Second Amendment rights and promoting gun safety across America.


I'm feeling good about sending them my money. This thread only reinforces that.

We should all join the NRA, then vote to put Racheal Maddow as their CEO.
 
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