You give up too easy. Change is inevitable, no reason we cannot either control it, or at least guide it.
You give up too easy. Change is inevitable, no reason we cannot either control it, or at least guide it.Why can't we change human nature? Because it's human nature.
Why can't we restrict access to implements of mass murder that are also really fun toys? Cuz freedumb, baby!
I always thought the primary reason for the 2A was so that militias and ordinary citizens could rise up against tyranny.I'd rather not, just making a point at the (what I find to be) absurdity of banning $thing I don't like because $reason.
And true enough, the 'overthrow the government' is probably an unreasonable thought at this point, as I'm confident the day citizens decided to overthrow the government, we'd have boston robotics kill-bots armed with miniguns trudging through the streets. I still think though, that a vast minority committing crimes (no matter how horrible) is a dumb reason to ban any perceived reason, or weapon, of those individuals. Islamic religion comes to mind (speaking as an atheist, mind you).I always thought the primary reason for the 2A was so that militias and ordinary citizens could rise up against tyranny.
We did have well armed militias rise up against the federal government once, but they were on the wrong side of history, and got their asses handed to them.
We also now have open carry militias literally marching with Nazis. They should be shooting the Nazis, not marching with them.
Don't have a whole lot of sympathy for militias.
You give up too easy. Change is inevitable, no reason we cannot either control it, or at least guide it.
Ironically, I see it as the opposite. I see gun legislation/reform as the impossible quest in the US, whereas shuffling research funding around to double up on mental health research as a simple, honest, and attainable solution.Not on ideas that might actually work. You merely divert into an impossible quest rather than accepting honest solutions.
Ironically, I see it as the opposite. I see gun legislation/reform as the impossible quest in the US, whereas shuffling research funding around to double up on mental health research as a simple, honest, and attainable solution.
It's interesting then, that you see the lethal toy as the problem, and not the mental health of those interested in it. Do you retain the same regard for any other toys, lethal or otherwise? Hoarders, purchasers of disused bomb shelters, end-of-world preppers?Funny that, particularly considering I figure you've gotta be at least half nuts to see something as lethal as an AR as a toy whose ownership is to be protected regardless of the interests of public safety. If I thought that better funding mental health could curb those impulses I'd be all for it.
The most absurd thing is that you are trying and failing to sound reasonable about insanity.At least you state your point directly.
Can we start naming other things we'd like gone because stupid or bad people are allowed to own them?
The most absurd thing is that you are trying and failing to sound reasonable about insanity.
Canada, Australia, Germany, Japan, Spain, England, Sweden, Iceland, Italy, Israel, Denmark are making gun restrictions work. What's wrong with Americans that they won't even try? Won't even consider it? Sickness!
I'm not against gun control. I support most of the "common sense" measures that have been mentioned in this thread (mandatory safety classes / training, stronger universal background checks, etc...) as long as they are structured in a such a way that they can't be used to prevent the average citizen who otherwise qualifies from owning a gun from getting one (i.e. putting ridiculous prices on the cost of those safety classes, making them available at one location in a state for one weekend a year, etc...).
I'm not trying to save my life. I simply like target shooting. I view it as being similar to going to the driving range. I also like reloading ammo and long distance precision shooting. I like the math, reading the wind, I like the challenge. I like timed shooting events (IDPA, 3 gun, etc...) because it's a fun competition.
For the record, I've never used my guns to kill, harm, or threaten anyone. I'd love it if you stopped treating me like I am.
FYI - I could give a flying fuck about you being pro this or anti that. What I'm doing is not hurting you in any way. If I have to vote for people who are staunchly pro 2A because otherwise you are going to take my hobby away, than so be it. I'm more than willing to compromise, but when you give a mouse a cookie... he's going to want all the ****ing milk.
Laughable gun restrictions! How inconvenienced are you by them?We HAVE gun restrictions. What do you mean we won't even try?
Are there any countries with gun bans that are NOT working? Mexico? Brazil? Anyone else?
The most absurd thing is that you are trying and failing to sound reasonable about insanity.
Canada, Australia, Germany, Japan, Spain, England, Sweden, Iceland, Italy, Israel, Denmark are making gun restrictions work. What's wrong with Americans that they won't even try? Won't even consider it? Sickness!
As stated, we do have gun restrictions, just not as restrictive as some would deem appropriate to 'stop the problem'. I agree we do have a sickness, but as I've stated many times, it's with violence, not with 'guns'. Do you disagree? Do you firmly believe that gun restrictions/legislation would have stopped this event from occurring? I'm not confident. Purely speculation, but given the planning he put into this event, I'm confident he would have used another method if this one wasn't available to him (just as he used this method because an M60 wasn't available to him).The most absurd thing is that you are trying and failing to sound reasonable about insanity.
Canada, Australia, Germany, Japan, Spain, England, Sweden, Iceland, Italy, Israel, Denmark are making gun restrictions work. What's wrong with Americans that they won't even try? Won't even consider it? Sickness!
I stated in an earlier post that I enjoy shooting... Though that was many years ago now. Don't own guns, if I want to shoot I'll go to a range. Yes prices should be reasonable but hey... Think of all the money people will be saving from not purchasing guns! Bankrupt the NRA and let's put that money in to someone else's hands.
Your thinking is stinking. Your hobby is most definitely more important than any of the lives taken by gun violence because regulations might disrupt your hobby. You've made yourself abundantly clear.
This is how Trump was elected and it is why pieces of shit are going to continue with mass murder. It's just best for everyone if nothing changes even if logic tells you different because being inconvenienced don't sit right with gun dicks.
I'm going to fix this....
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Here is the fix...
All able-bodied people eligible by law for military service, being necessary to the security of a free nation, the right of the people to keep and bear any weapons and ammunition, shall not be infringed.
Modern enough lingo for the 2nd amendment. If you wanted to change the control part, they have to be denied access to military service.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/canadian-doctors-help-2-000-commit-suicide-212621726.html
2,000 suicides, but it's OK, it was Canada and they were sick and the Doctors didn't use a gun so it was kinda suicide.
Because a certain segment of Americans are pansy-ass, paranoid, sniveling, frightened little bi*ches. The Constitution did not take in to consideration that innovation would bring about the kinds of guns that the NRA keeps assuring the fu*kwits are protected under it's umbrella. It is purely asinine to suggest it is a person's right to possess weapons of war. Stop being a tool.http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/06/6-reasons-right-wing-friend-isnt-coming-side-gun-control/
5. We Seriously Don’t Care About Gun Laws in Other Countries
We really, really don’t. That, of course, is because of the Second Amendment. The countries often brought up in the gun control debate not only have less than conclusive results (see the above link) but they don’t recognize personal possession of a firearm as a constitutional right. That is the bottom line. While their gun confiscation laws and the outcomes might be interesting, they are not applicable here.
Holy Hell man. Yes, mental health needs to be addressed of course but I happen to believe the gun problem and the mental stability problem can be worked on simultaneously. In fact, why don't we get rid of guns while we sort out American insanity? Sound good? We're clearly too volatile as a nation to have access to them.As stated, we do have gun restrictions, just not as restrictive as some would deem appropriate to 'stop the problem'. I agree we do have a sickness, but as I've stated many times, it's with violence, not with 'guns'. Do you disagree? Do you firmly believe that gun restrictions/legislation would have stopped this event from occurring? I'm not confident. Purely speculation, but given the planning he put into this event, I'm confident he would have used another method if this one wasn't available to him (just as he used this method because an M60 wasn't available to him).
Because a certain segment of Americans are pansy-ass, paranoid, sniveling, frightened little bi*ches. The Constitution did not take in to consideration that innovation would bring about the kinds of guns that the NRA keeps assuring the fu*kwits are protected under it's umbrella. It is purely asinine to suggest it is a person's right to possess weapons of war. Stop being a tool.
We both know his points are worthless and half baked. He's purposely obtuse, inflammatory and exhibits a pronounced lack of intellectual prowess. Oh tajjy just stfu,I'm guessing that you think you just made a point about something.
Just for the record, you didn't.
It says exactly what I want it to say.So to be clear, when the 2nd amendment doesn't say what people want it to say you think we should just change that?
We both know his points are worthless and half baked. He's purposely obtuse, inflammatory and exhibits a pronounced lack of intellectual prowess. Oh tajjy just stfu,