To clarify, many rifles have some kind of built-in flash or noise suppression system in the barrel, they primarily just move the exhaust for the ejecting round to the sides of the barrel instead of out the front. It's not super exciting or anything. As far as I know, they're legal/normal.are these flash suppressors also legal like bump stocks? was it confirmed that they were used?can you tell from the photos from the rifles in his hotel room?
So, uhh, where's all the empty brass? Oh, yeh, it's 400 yards away, up on the 32nd floor... in the rooms with the broken windows, a shitpile of assault rifles & a dead perp...
and she admits it
http://freebeacon.com/issues/pelosi-certainly-bump-stocks-further-gun-restrictions/
Upon being asked if the bill was a slippery slope toward further gun restrictions, she said, "So what? … I certainly hope so."
More ignorance from the leaders of the left;
- Time Kaine
Trying to parrot Hillary's already factually wrong statement. Its not a silencer. And that is not what stopped him. He needs to stop sucking up, trying to be relevant, and stick to whatever he's good at. This isn't it.
Nobody screaming for more gun laws with consideration to Chicago. Wonder why that is.
So you agree that of those countries I listed, America has a similar violence problem. I mean okay, whatever. So our largest violence problem in this country is actually suicide not homicide... hmmm.....Yes, suicide is violence.
Just the fact that I think with a handful of states having waiting periods on handguns exclusively, I would guess that if they had a disproportionately larger number of suicides by shotgun or rifle that everybody would point to that as an effective means of suicide prevention.What is this based on?
I disagree, I think they just don't try. Florida, Iowa, Maryland, and New Jersey have waiting periods for handgun purchases only. Why not dig into their suicide by firearm stats to see if there is a meaningful difference between handgun suicide and shotgun/rifle?I'm not sure you understood what I wrote. It is not researched due to the difficulty of parsing out individual effects, not because suicide isn't a huge portion of gun violence.
Oh definitely, definitely not meaningless. If anything it's probably either the most important or second most important statistic that exists on suicides because it tells us that suicide is not inevitable and even minor interventions at crucial junctions can permanently save lives. (well, permanently save them from suicide at least). A suicide attempt is someone taking a concrete action where the reasonably expected result is their death. Most people who make those attempts and survive never do so again.
This is likely the reason why gun ownership is so strongly associated with increased risk of suicide, by the way. Guns are almost uniquely deadly among the commonly attempted methods of suicide. It's not that owning a gun makes you more likely to TRY to kill yourself, it just makes you way more likely to SUCCEED.
I didn't say that. I said research on the effectiveness of gun control measures on suicide by gun. For what it's worth, it should be a focus of suicide investigations or attempts. If somebody attempted, you should be able to check if they are on a waiting period for a gun and failed suicide using a method less lethal. If they committed suicide by a gun, how long have they owned the gun? Why is that not being focused on? There are approximately 1,000,000 suicide attempts each year in the USA, there is a lot of data that could be reported on that if we wanted to figure some of this stuff out.Suicide by gun is not even remotely a poorly researched subject. You can find hundreds of papers on it, likely thousands. Research on gun control bills and their effect on the largest portion of gun deaths is absolutely the PRIMARY FOCUS. I mean it has been for decades now, where have you been?
What isn't as well understood is waiting periods' specific impact on suicide because these waiting periods are almost always part of a larger gun control bill. Social science generally relies on natural experiments so until more states start passing waiting period only bills it will be quite difficult to evaluate on its own.
I said gun control, not lethal means. Please don't tell me now in every gun control thread you are going to start bringing up lethal means of suicide. I can handle you bringing up suicide by firearm, but if you start bringing up cyanide or walking in front of trains every time there is a mass murder I think your acute focus on suicide prevention has gotten out of control.I'm not aware of a single suicide prevention group in any country on earth that thinks limiting access to lethal means is not of major importance in preventing suicide.
Seriously not a single solitary one. Why do you think these groups are in such unanimous agreement about something you think doesn't matter?
it is possible he may be standing back.. however the rifle I'm sure is at least a couple feet long ,lol ever consider he might be standing back? Do you believe we landed on the moon? Or that elvis is really still alive?
it is possible he may be standing back.. however the rifle I'm sure is at least a couple feet long I'm sure
how far back can he be before your view of intended target is hindered? My post was not trying to imply the shots didn't come from Paddocks room. It was merely trying to raise the possibility that shots could be coming from more than just that location.
When someone from the anti-2A side brings up a comparison of all deaths in war vs. all deaths caused by guns this site is all for it. When I compare freedoms that show perspective, that show where guns compare to other things no one here is rallying against near the level they are against guns, it is a strawman argument. Gotta love this forum.
One thing to remember is that if Gun Control is still being actively pushed by election time 2018 then the Republicans will probably pick up 6+ Senate seats.More ignorance from the leaders of the left;
- Time Kaine
Trying to parrot Hillary's already factually wrong statement. Its not a silencer. And that is not what stopped him. He needs to stop sucking up, trying to be relevant, and stick to whatever he's good at. This isn't it.
Nobody screaming for more gun laws with consideration to Chicago. Wonder why that is.
However there is no need to own guns in a big city, it's entirely a want. What are you protecting yourself from with said gun in a city? .
No the problem is that you don't understand that legally and socially Tobacco is increasingly viewed as a negative on society as a whole. It's a disgusting habit that does nothing but inflict harm at 0 benefit to anyone and everyone, and in my lifetime I've seen it go from a social norm to a fringe habit.
On that same token it'd be lovely to see the same happen to firearms, as the social pressure slowly slides to the negative side, the legal aspect will follow. There is a certain disconnect between urban and rural sides of this argument, there are legitimate reasons to own rifles and shot guns in some places like chasing away predators from livestock etc. However there is no need to own guns in a big city, it's entirely a want. What are you protecting yourself from with said gun in a city? Are you shooting smokers to protect yourself from second hand smoke which is more deadly than guns as you've said about 25 times this thread.
it is possible he may be standing back.. however the rifle I'm sure is at least a couple feet long I'm sure
how far back can he be before your view of intended target is hindered? My post was not trying to imply the shots didn't come from Paddocks room. It was merely trying to raise the possibility that shots could be coming from more than just that location.
Sure - the rifles that he was using are about 34+/-2 inches long depending on where he had the stock set. He was also 400-500ish yards away from his target depending on where you measure to. The backdrop that he was being videoed against (the building) is shiny and illuminated. I really wouldn't expect you to see anything given that information on a cell phone video (maybe even by eye). Those cameras just don't have the dynamic range for that.
really? cities should require residents to own firearms
edit for link
worked in chicago
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/
So you agree that of those countries I listed, America has a similar violence problem. I mean okay, whatever. So our largest violence problem in this country is actually suicide not homicide... hmmm.....
Just the fact that I think with a handful of states having waiting periods on handguns exclusively, I would guess that if they had a disproportionately larger number of suicides by shotgun or rifle that everybody would point to that as an effective means of suicide prevention.
I disagree, I think they just don't try. Florida, Iowa, Maryland, and New Jersey have waiting periods for handgun purchases only. Why not dig into their suicide by firearm stats to see if there is a meaningful difference between handgun suicide and shotgun/rifle?
Not a response to my question. Is buying a gun while suicidal, and being hit with a waiting period, considered an attempt? Isn't an attempt is when somebody fails and there is intervention. I won't disagree that intervening on a suicidal person is the absolute best way to stop somebody from successfully committing suicide. Which is why I believe the best way to stop suicide is to make it a mental health and health coverage issue and create a culture where it is okay to get help.
Essentially what you are proposing is removing lethal means so there are more failed attempts, so there can then be interventions after a stomach is pumped or after some sort of hospital stay.
Looks like the VA is focusing primarily on outreach and intervention instead of firearm control. Prior military service is the highest indicator of suicide in the USA as far as I know. https://www.va.gov/opa/publications...ention_factsheet_new_va_stats_070616_1400.pdf
I didn't say that. I said research on the effectiveness of gun control measures on suicide by gun. For what it's worth, it should be a focus of suicide investigations or attempts. If somebody attempted, you should be able to check if they are on a waiting period for a gun and failed suicide using a method less lethal. If they committed suicide by a gun, how long have they owned the gun? Why is that not being focused on? There are approximately 1,000,000 suicide attempts each year in the USA, there is a lot of data that could be reported on that if we wanted to figure some of this stuff out.
I said gun control, not lethal means. Please don't tell me now in every gun control thread you are going to start bringing up lethal means of suicide. I can handle you bringing up suicide by firearm, but if you start bringing up cyanide or walking in front of trains every time there is a mass murder I think your acute focus on suicide prevention has gotten out of control.
And that is why I still own a gun. Those fucking agenda 21 troopers are NOT going to get me!
and this is why you cant reason with a liberal
There's been a ton of research on the link between firearm ownership and suicide. The link is very, very strong. If you want less suicide, lower firearm ownership levels.
We are already telling you what you need. Grenade launchers, anti tank weapons, machine guns and other such weapons are already in the "not yours" bucket. We're simply looking to expand the "not yours" list.Who are you to tell me what I need? I'd say self defense, as well as the original intent of the 2A applies in the city as well as rural areas. If anything, I see more on the left embracing their 2A rights. I was happy to see the LGBT demographic embrace their 2A rights lately. The 2A is for every one of us.
We are already telling you what you need. Grenade launchers, anti tank weapons, machine guns and other such weapons are already in the "not yours" bucket. We're simply looking to expand the "not yours" list.
I just pledged to GabbyI just joined the NRA.