This statement is short sighted. AMD is going to continue to have tighter and tighter GPU/CPU integration. As this process moves along, Nvidia will more and more be the outside man looking in. They will be relegated to expensive, specialized applications. Without the ability to run general purpose code, Nvidia is backed into a corner.Why? Nvidia will still have the performance crown until AMD decides to take GPGPU seriously.
This statement is short sighted. AMD is going to continue to have tighter and tighter GPU/CPU integration. As this process moves along, Nvidia will more and more be the outside man looking in. They will be relegated to expensive, specialized applications. Without the ability to run general purpose code, Nvidia is backed into a corner.
I suggest you familiarize yourself with AMD's roadmaps before making your uniformed statement.GPGPU on sub 100 dollar chipsets. Sure that will top the performance charts. Are you under the impression GPGPU will run an OS?
I suggest you familiarize yourself with AMD's roadmaps before making your uniformed statement.
To those would thinks Nvidia has nothing to worry about (all 3 graphics vendor, Intel, AMD and Nvidia have stuff to worry about btw). I leave you a few words: Creative SoundBlaster.
Absolutely not. This:
Was a direct response to this, from me:
So (as I labelled your claims in your post):
1) I did not misread your post: it was a direct response to mine. T2K did not even mention CPU manufacturing in his post, I did, and you brought up manufacturing in your response. Please read posts (including your own) more carefully.
2) I never claimed that you said AMD or Nvidia were going to die. Do not straw man what I've argued.
3) You need to look up the definition of counterfactual. It is you who has not properly understood my post.
@T2K: I don't want to get into it here, but let's just say that I see Nvidia surviving for a while, even if the company has to penetrate some other, but related, markets.
And there's nothing your posts can do about that, sorry.
If you gave me two computers and let me game on them I probably couldn't tell you which one had the sound card and which one had onboard.
I could certainly tell you which one had the onboard video.
If you gave me two computers and let me game on them I probably couldn't tell you which one had the sound card and which one had onboard.
I could certainly tell you which one had the onboard video.
Just because sound boards moved onboard, and now some % of the grafics cards are gonna doesnt mean Nvidia will go the same way as creative soundblaster.
It just means nvidia will have less market share in the low-mid end of grafics cards cards in the future.
Maybe nvidia figour out how to make those Small GPUs for mobile phones work better? Maybe they come up with something revolutionary for proffessional grafics cards instead. ect ect.
Again, short term thinking. It doesn't change overnight, but it will happen. Think 5 years from now, a CPU as we know it will no longer exist. Nvidia will have to settle for catering to specialized solutions, this will always have a market. But that market will be shrinking/niche and increasingly high end./shake head
Nvidia has and always was going to be doing specialized applications with GPGPU. The idea Fusion changes this is simply absurd.
So how about that late 6970?
That might not be the case in the future...
You *might* not be able to tell a 5570/450 from a Llano (performance wise)... once its out.
It ll (Llano) be that *free* card that came with the cpu... vs buying a 450 for 110$ on newegg.
This is very very true. And it applies to other industries as well.You guys don't seem to understand: making GPUs requires a LOT OF R&D MONEY, in cold, hard CASH ON HAND.
Without low/mid/mobile segments you have no revenue to support your R&D which in turn will immediately reduce your competitiveness.
I know man, another thread derailed. Look at my sig.
10 years ago? I could immediately tell which had worse sound...
That might not be the case in the future...
You *might* not be able to tell a 5570/450 from a Llano (performance wise)... once its out.
It ll (Llano) be that *free* card that came with the cpu... vs buying a 450 for 110$ on newegg.
The Llano will use much less power, wont have any fan noise (cpu fan only).. compaired to a discrete card.
I know what counterfactual means thanks.
and the reason I made the statement about amd or nv die is because I never understood why you even wrote this.
Like I have some kind of agenda.
One thing you guys need to remember it Nvidia is a profitable Company, AMD is not.
They still operate under massive debt and in the red.
If anyone is allowed to fail and still survive it would be Nvidia not AMD they have way more cash in hand!
So what? In ten years onboard video may approach cards of today? Is that what your saying?
I dont want to game with a 5570/450 now or in the future.
Again, short term thinking. It doesn't change overnight, but it will happen. Think 5 years from now, a CPU as we know it will no longer exist. Nvidia will have to settle for catering to specialized solutions, this will always have a market. But that market will be shrinking/niche and increasingly high end.
I am certain Nvidia knows this, what they do about it is another matter.
You don't but hell of a lot of people do.
Lets take a parallel example.
Why is the US running a trade deficit against China?
It is because the US doesn't have stuff the Chinese wants to buy al la the cause of the opium wars? No.
It is because what the US has to sell to the Chinese is expensive and only small number of them can afford (talk about currency manipulation aside)? Pretty likely.
China's not fueling it's extremely fast economic growth by selling low volume of expensive goods. No, China's making it's billions by selling coat hangers at 50 cents a piece and shirts at 20 dollars a pop.
Almost without exception you make more money selling many cheap things than a few expensive ones.
So what? It's not out, no info, it's fun to discuss these things. Skip it if you don't like it.
Um, ok. I'm convinced onboard video is the way to go for me. :thumbsup: