Late Model Audi Q7

PricklyPete

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Anyone own one? While not truly necessary, my wife has been wanting a 7 passenger SUV for a while now that we have 3 kids (all in car seats) and only one car.

I've resisted due to the fact that our 4Runner (2013 Limited w/ FullTime 4WD) has been able to swallow the whole brood. That being said, it does get annoying when we have visitors or an additional family member/friend to drive around. Now that the twins are headed toward 3, my wife is more likely to have additional kids in the car as well.

The most obvious choice would be a highlander/pilot or Sienna AWD. That being said, on a camping trip this past summer, a friend had a highlander that got stuck three times (had to pull him out with chains) just getting to our camp spot. This doesn't give me much faith in the "barely AWD" system in the Highlander or Sienna. We have owned Audi in the past and had really good luck with its AWD system (especially in the snow...seemed even better than the Full time system in our 4Runner to be honest...and we drive up in the mountains in snow a lot). I don't think the Audi will match the 4runner in off-road capability, but I think it would be good enough for us.

Part of me has ruled out the Audi thinking reliability would be an issue. Anecdotally, we have had no issues with our Audi's in the past (myself and extended family). I know empirically they have been doing much better these days with even Consumer Reports stating it is their second most reliable car (still hard to believe): https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictu...-reliable-cars-according-to-consumer-reports/

Will be hard to get rid of the 4Runner. Just a tank all around that stands up to abuse. Of course it drives like a tank (not nice at all) and is pretty gutless.

I've shown my wife several other options like Tahoes, GL class, Acura MDX, Land Cruisers, etc...but the only vehicle that has made an impression has been the Audi (I think this has a lot to do with how much she liked our previous car and some of my relatives cars).

Thinking maybe a 2014/2015 S-Line to get the 333HP engine.



Any thought from past or current Q7 owners or people with experience with the car? Any other ideas on possible vehicles? One major requirement is that the back two seats have a Latch tether for car seats (Q7 does).

Still not sure we'd move on from the 4Runner (my wife has even given it a name), but the prospect of 7 seats has my wife currently excited.
 

PricklyPete

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I guess the AT demographic doesn't really care about family boats on wheels. I was at least expecting the resident Audi haters to show up and question my IQ.
 
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rstrohkirch

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Not giving people much time to respond considering how select you're being with a vehicle. I looked and test drove the 17 and looked at the 15 s lines they had just a couple of weeks ago. I was looking for something a little bit smaller but the 17 was very nice. I thought the 15 was still nice but at the price they wanted for the used s lines compared to the changes in the 17, I would have opted for a 17. You get a fair amount in the base $55k premium model and it comes standard with the 3.0 instead of having to option it.
 
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PricklyPete

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Not giving people much time to respond considering how select you're being with a vehicle. I looked and test drove the 17 and looked at the 15 s lines they had just a couple of weeks ago. I was looking for something a little bit smaller but the 17 was very nice. I thought the 15 was still nice but at the price they wanted for the used s lines compared to the changes in the 17, I would have opted for a 17. You get a fair amount in the base $55k premium model and it comes standard with the 3.0 instead of having to option it.

Thanks for the feedback. Good point on the newer model, I may need to open the scope to a '17 model. I know it has been improved in many ways including space and weight. From what I understand, they did lower the clearance which does concern me a little as it may be too limiting on the off-roading we do even if it is not the most extreme...clearance can make a difference.

I'm also not positive I am want to 20"+ wheels. I replaced the 20" models on our 4Runner for better tire selection/off-road capability...not really wanting 20" again. Will have to test the non S-Line to see if it is acceptable.

As for not waiting long enough to bump...us old timers were used to the days where I would get berated for my thoughts within seconds of posting...but the forum is a lot less busy these days.
 

PricklyPete

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You have three kids in car seats. Go test drive a mini van. Nothing better out there

I totally agree that minivans are optimal for kids and a Sienna was high on our list when we were considering a second car...but we just don't need two cars right now and the Sienna will not work as our only car due to clearance and the AWD system barely being AWD. We don't do extreme off-roading...but enough that I would be concerned of the Sienna's capability. To be honest, I'm even a little concerned about the Q7 in this regard...but it should be significantly better than any minivan.
 

rstrohkirch

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Thanks for the feedback. Good point on the newer model, I may need to open the scope to a '17 model. I know it has been improved in many ways including space and weight. From what I understand, they did lower the clearance which does concern me a little as it may be too limiting on the off-roading we do even if it is not the most extreme...clearance can make a difference.

I'm also not positive I am want to 20"+ wheels. I replaced the 20" models on our 4Runner for better tire selection/off-road capability...not really wanting 20" again. Will have to test the non S-Line to see if it is acceptable.

As for not waiting long enough to bump...us old timers were used to the days where I would get berated for my thoughts within seconds of posting...but the forum is a lot less busy these days.

Base Q7 comes with 19 wheels. The AWD system and off-road setting is also suppose to be quite good. You are right though it is only around 7" ground clearance without air suspension. You could look at the Volvo xc90. It's really nice and at the same level as the Audi with a near identical price structure. It comes with 19" wheels, has 9.3" clearance which is similar to stock 4runner and has a pretty good AWD/off-road setting. It starts $5k cheaper if you're ok with the 250hp engine.
 

PricklyPete

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Base Q7 comes with 19 wheels. The AWD system and off-road setting is also suppose to be quite good. You are right though it is only around 7" ground clearance without air suspension. You could look at the Volvo xc90. It's really nice and at the same level as the Audi with a near identical price structure. It comes with 19" wheels, has 9.3" clearance which is similar to stock 4runner and has a pretty good AWD/off-road setting. It starts $5k cheaper if you're ok with the 250hp engine.

I'm pretty sure the 2015 Q7 has 8.1 inches of clearance. The 2017 definitely is lower and even less off-road minded.

We love the look and features of the new XC90, but my anecdotal experience (through many friends who have owned them) is that they have terrible reliability...and that it appears to be even worse with the new ones (that is also shown on empirical ratings). Granted I am talking about getting an Audi...but it appears the Q7 is an example of where Audi has done pretty well in this category.
 

Dr. Detroit

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You clearly require a body on frame SUV for your camping adventures - so just get a Tahoe.

Maintenance is cheap, huge discounts can be had, and they get great reviews.

There is always the Sequoia & Armada if you dislike domestics. Unsure if the Durango gets the same AWD system as the JGC - but I would trust its uni-body off-road prowess over anything else if it does.
 

PricklyPete

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You clearly require a body on frame SUV for your camping adventures - so just get a Tahoe.

Maintenance is cheap, huge discounts can be had, and they get great reviews.

There is always the Sequoia & Armada if you dislike domestics. Unsure if the Durango gets the same AWD system as the JGC - but I would trust its uni-body off-road prowess over anything else if it does.

No dislike of domestics (have actually owned and loved the Yukon in the past). For some reason the Tahoe/Yukon and even Sequoia/Armada have a visual heft that my wife doesn't like even though they are just slightly longer. I think it is the width...which she already doesn't love about the 4Runner...so even the Q7 is in the wrong direction...but it's design hides it.

I have heard too many horror stories to consider any FCA product even though I like what they offer. Unfortunate.

Might have to at least talk my wife into test driving a Tahoe...maybe she will warm up to it.
 

JulesMaximus

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I guess the AT demographic doesn't really care about family boats on wheels. I was at least expecting the resident Audi haters to show up and question my IQ.

I'm here for you bro.

If you buy new and only keep it for 3-4 years max you'll probably be fine.

By the way, I rented a fully loaded Tahoe last summer and absolutely loved it. They're like $70k though.
 

PricklyPete

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I'm here for you bro.

If you buy new and only keep it for 3-4 years max you'll probably be fine.

By the way, I rented a fully loaded Tahoe last summer and absolutely loved it. They're like $70k though.

Jules...I wondered where you were

Yeah, I'll definitely need to put the Tahoe/Yukon on the test drive list. I'm sure my wife would be open to at least a test drive. We are trying to keep the purchase price under 50k...so we could probably find a reasonably loaded late model Tahoe for that.

Will still be hard to give up the 4Runner...even though it drives like something from 2 decades ago. Its simplicity is really satisfying. I've taken it into some nasty stuff in the mountains and on several long mountain biking trips to CA and Hood River...always performed with no issues. Just finally replaced brakes at 60k. Other than oil changes and tires...it's been running like a champ. Thought I was going to keep this thing forever.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jules...I wondered where you were

Yeah, I'll definitely need to put the Tahoe/Yukon on the test drive list. I'm sure my wife would be open to at least a test drive. We are trying to keep the purchase price under 50k...so we could probably find a reasonably loaded late model Tahoe for that.

Will still be hard to give up the 4Runner...even though it drives like something from 2 decades ago. Its simplicity is really satisfying. I've taken it into some nasty stuff in the mountains and on several long mountain biking trips to CA and Hood River...always performed with no issues. Just finally replaced brakes at 60k. Other than oil changes and tires...it's been running like a champ. Thought I was going to keep this thing forever.

I was surprised by how well the Tahoe performed in the city. You would think it would have the turning radius of a boat but it really turns in a surprisingly small space which makes it great for manuevering around in parking garages and tight parking lots. Very comfortable too. Fuel economy is abysmal though...

Audi, like all the German manufacturers, seem to give you only the options you want on the really expensive option packages. It will option up to $15-20k over the base msrp easily and probably end up being more expensive than the Tahoe.
 

PricklyPete

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I was surprised by how well the Tahoe performed in the city. You would think it would have the turning radius of a boat but it really turns in a surprisingly small space which makes it great for manuevering around in parking garages and tight parking lots. Very comfortable too. Fuel economy is abysmal though...

Audi, like all the German manufacturers, seem to give you only the options you want on the really expensive option packages. It will option up to $15-20k over the base msrp easily and probably end up being more expensive than the Tahoe.

Yes, I imagine the Tahoe would be a lot better value all around. Will really hinge on how my wife feels about the width. She drove her Dad's Sierra around our neighborhood a year or so ago when they were visiting and felt like she was constantly going to hit things because of the width/visibility (compared to the 4Runner). We live in a downtown neighborhood with cars parked along the street and very narrow streets to begin with.
 

JulesMaximus

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I don't think it's a true 3 row SUV though.

The Lexus GX is a very capable off road SUV and if you aren't putting people in the third row on a regular basis it is an excellent choice. Probably one of the best in the segment.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Some newer Mercedes SUVs seem to have 7.9 in of clearance, but can be equipped with their special "airmatic" system that allows you to raise it to 12 inches. I don't know if it's available on anything except the top end ones though.
 

PricklyPete

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Some newer Mercedes SUVs seem to have 7.9 in of clearance, but can be equipped with their special "airmatic" system that allows you to raise it to 12 inches. I don't know if it's available on anything except the top end ones though.

Yes. The model Q7 I have been looking at has a similar air suspension, but it maxes out at 9.4".
 
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JulesMaximus

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Some newer Mercedes SUVs seem to have 7.9 in of clearance, but can be equipped with their special "airmatic" system that allows you to raise it to 12 inches. I don't know if it's available on anything except the top end ones though.

The GLE has optional Airmatic suspension but man, those things option up quick and expensively. Not sure how useful the third row is, if it even has one.
 

Bubbleawsome

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The AWD GLE with nothing optional except AIRMATIC is $57,035.

Looks like two rows though
 

gorcorps

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Had considered that. Still might be an option...definitely more capable off-road...but my is it ugly...not sure I can talk the wife into that one.

Just tell her the maintenance costs between the Audi and the Lexus means living in a refrigerator box vs. a house... she should see the light pretty quickly
 

PricklyPete

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Just tell her the maintenance costs between the Audi and the Lexus means living in a refrigerator box vs. a house... she should see the light pretty quickly

To be honest, the 3rd row in the GX really is an afterthought. When we bought the 4Runner (same platform), we looked at one with 3 rows and were not impressed. To top it off, we need to be able to put car seats in the 3rd row and the GX has no hardware...so that pretty much completely disqualifies it.

I really do like the reliability expectation/maintenance of our 4Runner and by extension the GX... but I think we would just stick with the 4Runner over the very limited benefit of the GX (or a different 4Runner's) 3rd row.
 
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