Latest Core i7 release date info

[WaitingForNehalem]

I hope the release date is in October.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: v8envy
you'll have built the no-holds barred PCs only to have your e-peen lopped off a month later. Never mind seeing boxes at Best Buy in six months equaling the performance of your dream machine

AHHAHA

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

So Wikipedia changed its release date back to October! Most websites seem to say October 13-16 is the release date. They all seem to point to this German website. BTW, the 2.93 GHz part will be called Core i7 940.

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[taltamir]

why would ANYONE upgrade from a P4 to a nehalem? if you are that cheap how about getting the most bang for your buck and upgrade more often for lower end components? you will have a faster AND cheaper machine.
Buy a core2duo now or when nehalem arrives. You should buy a nehalem when the NEXT big thing hits.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: taltamir
why would ANYONE upgrade from a P4 to a nehalem?

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: GundamF91
If you're a true gamer, you should be upgrading every 2 years or so, and focus on multi-GPU. I don't know what games you play now, but you're a few generations late with that x850xt. You wont' be happy with a 4 year upgrade cycle.

Being 16 it's hard to afford a new rig every 2 years. I had to work 40+ hours per week this summer just to get enough cash for my new rig.

if you are that cheap how about getting the most bang for your buck and upgrade more often for lower end components? you will have a faster AND cheaper machine.

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Anyway, my choice is set on Core i7 and the whole purpose of this thread was to get news about it, not speculate how inferior it will be price/performance wise.

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
So Wikipedia changed its release date back to October! Most websites seem to say October 13-16 is the release date. They all seem to point to this German website. BTW, the 2.93 GHz part will be called Core i7 940.

Link

Link 2

Already posted that in this thread a page back

http://forums.anandtech.com/te...172&filtmsgid=29477419

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
So Wikipedia changed its release date back to October! Most websites seem to say October 13-16 is the release date. They all seem to point to this German website. BTW, the 2.93 GHz part will be called Core i7 940.

Link

Link 2

Already posted that in this thread a page back

http://forums.anandtech.com/te...172&filtmsgid=29477419

Whoops. Sorry, didn't see that post. Thanks AuDioFreaK39 for actually contributing to this thread. :thumbsup:

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
So Wikipedia changed its release date back to October! Most websites seem to say October 13-16 is the release date. They all seem to point to this German website. BTW, the 2.93 GHz part will be called Core i7 940.

Link

Link 2

Already posted that in this thread a page back

http://forums.anandtech.com/te...172&filtmsgid=29477419

Whoops. Sorry, didn't see that post. Thanks AuDioFreaK39 for actually contributing to this thread. :thumbsup:

check your private messages

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Oh WOW, our original source on the Core i7 940 (Hardware-Infos.com) apparently
edited their "Core i7 Processors in mid-October" article (under the same original posting date - August 11, 2008....) to rename the "Core i7 940" back to just "Core i7 900"

more accurate translation:

"Behind the scenes, the Core i7 900 Extreme edition traded names with the 2.93GHz model, which will be known as Core i7 900."

(this still doesn't point to an absolute name for the "Extreme Edition." Perhaps it will share the Core i7 900 name but with an "Extreme Edition" identifier?)

And now if you point your browsers to the Core i7 Wikipedia article, you'll find that Source 6 (the source for all the Core i7 processor models) in fact cites the same Hardware-Infos link. Conspiracy? I think more like NDA


looks like Intel's being doing some reediting work on me behind the scenes. They don't want me to distribute this info...oh well, I'm going to say it:


THE CORE i7 2.93GHZ MODEL WILL BE KNOWN AS CORE i7 940! :laugh:

 

[taltamir]

I didn't mean what i said like that. The two sentences were meant to be taken together...

Aka... you worked HARD to make that money right? and money is tight and you haven't upgraded since your P4 right (being cheap is a GOOD thing, I am a huge cheapskate)? treat yourself to something nicer LATER by buying a wolfdale when nehalem hits... it will be half the price, and 90% of the speed, and the other half of the money could be used to be a nehalem a year afterwards, which will be a much faster model then the one you would buy on release.

But if you are set on it, then go for it. use your money as you see fit.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: AuDioFreaK39
Oh WOW, our original source on the Core i7 940 (Hardware-Infos.com) apparently
edited their "Core i7 Processors in mid-October" article (under the same original posting date - August 11, 2008....) to rename the "Core i7 940" back to just "Core i7 900"

more accurate translation:

"Behind the scenes, the Core i7 900 Extreme edition traded names with the 2.93GHz model, which will be known as Core i7 900."

(this still doesn't point to an absolute name for the "Extreme Edition." Perhaps it will share the Core i7 900 name but with an "Extreme Edition" identifier?)

And now if you point your browsers to the Core i7 Wikipedia article, you'll find that Source 6 (the source for all the Core i7 processor models) in fact cites the same Hardware-Infos link. Conspiracy? I think more like NDA


looks like Intel's being doing some reediting work on me behind the scenes. They don't want me to distribute this info...oh well, I'm going to say it:


THE CORE i7 2.93GHZ MODEL WILL BE KNOWN AS CORE i7 940! :laugh:

How do you know it isn't called Core i7 900?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: taltamir
why would ANYONE upgrade from a P4 to a nehalem?

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: GundamF91
If you're a true gamer, you should be upgrading every 2 years or so, and focus on multi-GPU. I don't know what games you play now, but you're a few generations late with that x850xt. You wont' be happy with a 4 year upgrade cycle.

Being 16 it's hard to afford a new rig every 2 years. I had to work 40+ hours per week this summer just to get enough cash for my new rig.

if you are that cheap how about getting the most bang for your buck and upgrade more often for lower end components? you will have a faster AND cheaper machine.

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Anyway, my choice is set on Core i7 and the whole purpose of this thread was to get news about it, not speculate how inferior it will be price/performance wise.

Pretty savvy for 16, isn't he? I'm with "WaitingforNehalem" on this one. I probably have a lot more money, for just short of four times his age, and this obsession has been a drain for me, I swear!!

As I said -- maybe sooner or later someone will say their tired of the metaphor -- this is like surfing. No -- not buying the surfboard, but waiting for the right wave.

Even so, there IS something to what Taltimir says, and it suggests that perhaps WaitingforNehalem would be wise to wait just a bit longer. As with each cyber-part generation, there will be BIOS bugs, hardware revisions, etc. I always wait at least six months after the initial release; watch the user forums at various mobo-maker web-sites; keep tabs on the i4Memory Australian crowd that goes to official international over-clocking competitions; and try to hunt down as many reviews as possible. For all that, you can choose a piece of hardware for some set of reasons; it then later turns out that a new revision in CPU design that is socket and motherboard compatible needs a BIOS update; or you fail to estimate the limitations of a half-generation earlier and burn out a couple hundred ducats-worth of hardware.

You will want to catch the wave at the right time -- you don't just want to jump in feet first. I'm guessing that the wisest, most disciplined delay would make current-day, cheaper Conroe or Penryn technology seem more attractive. But with WaitingforNehalem's budget, it may be like those starter cartridges that Jimmy Stewart burns up in "Flight of the Phoenix" -- with the German engineer screaming that they'll all die in the desert if they run out of those cartridges to start the plane.

As we used to joke about hayseeds and country-rubes attending the state-fair, "Don't spend your penny too fast, Clem."

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: taltamir
why would ANYONE upgrade from a P4 to a nehalem?

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: GundamF91
If you're a true gamer, you should be upgrading every 2 years or so, and focus on multi-GPU. I don't know what games you play now, but you're a few generations late with that x850xt. You wont' be happy with a 4 year upgrade cycle.

Being 16 it's hard to afford a new rig every 2 years. I had to work 40+ hours per week this summer just to get enough cash for my new rig.

if you are that cheap how about getting the most bang for your buck and upgrade more often for lower end components? you will have a faster AND cheaper machine.

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Anyway, my choice is set on Core i7 and the whole purpose of this thread was to get news about it, not speculate how inferior it will be price/performance wise.

Pretty savvy for 16, isn't he? I'm with "WaitingforNehalem" on this one. I probably have a lot more money, for just short of four times his age, and this obsession has been a drain for me, I swear!!

As I said -- maybe sooner or later someone will say their tired of the metaphor -- this is like surfing. No -- not buying the surfboard, but waiting for the right wave.

Even so, there IS something to what Taltimir says, and it suggests that perhaps WaitingforNehalem would be wise to wait just a bit longer. As with each cyber-part generation, there will be BIOS bugs, hardware revisions, etc. I always wait at least six months after the initial release; watch the user forums at various mobo-maker web-sites; keep tabs on the i4Memory Australian crowd that goes to official international over-clocking competitions; and try to hunt down as many reviews as possible. For all that, you can choose a piece of hardware for some set of reasons; it then later turns out that a new revision in CPU design that is socket and motherboard compatible needs a BIOS update; or you fail to estimate the limitations of a half-generation earlier and burn out a couple hundred ducats-worth of hardware.

You will want to catch the wave at the right time -- you don't just want to jump in feet first. I'm guessing that the wisest, most disciplined delay would make current-day, cheaper Conroe or Penryn technology seem more attractive. But with WaitingforNehalem's budget, it may be like those starter cartridges that Jimmy Stewart burns up in "Flight of the Phoenix" -- with the German engineer screaming that they'll all die in the desert if they run out of those cartridges to start the plane.

As we used to joke about hayseeds and country-rubes attending the state-fair, "Don't spend your penny too fast, Clem."

It definitely is like surfing. I'm 17, and I've been doing the same thing WaitingForNehalem has been doing for over 4 years now since Prescott (upgrading along the way though as I see fit)

In the Nehalem race, however, I had two options to choose from:

1) Keep all my existing hard-earned core hardware (QX9650, Abit IP35 Pro, 4GB Ballistix Tracer 8500s) and capitalize on SLi for future performance (since Socket 775 will be replaced I won't be able to upgrade CPU for quite some time - and SLi > new cpu when it comes to raw gaming performance)

2) Sell my existing hard-earned core hardware (QX9650, Abit IP35 Pro, 4GB Ballistix Tracer 8500s), earn another couple hundred bucks, and gain the advantages of a new CPU socket for future upgradeability as well as SLi (since X58 Tylersburg will natively support it).

All in all, I'm choosing to go the option 2 route with a Core i7 Extreme Edition - not only for the unlocked multiplier (which I will never again go without), but also for the fact that the i7 Extreme Edition "Bloomfield" isn't being replaced until H1 2010 with Westmere. In my short 6 years of hardware knowledge, I've never known a CPU to stay on top of the market for over a year and a half (Q4 2008 - H1 2010). I know there'll probably be a revision in Fall of 09 or so, but it won't matter much to me as I'll just upgrade straight to Westmere and call it another year



p.s. Might I add that I made $1200 bucks selling the QX9650, the IP35 Pro, and winning an EVGA 790i FTW Edition motherboard at NVISION 08 and selling it for $300 - man was it hard not opening that thing while I had it in hand..

 

[VirtualLarry]

I still think "initial Core i7" == "P4 Willemette".

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I still think "initial Core i7" == "P4 Willemette".

maybe you should wait another 2 weeks for the NDA to lift before making any claims

 

[taltamir]

AuDioFreaK39... you are upgrading from the already more advanced QX9650... when nehalem hits ill upgrade from a Q6600 kentsfield to a yorkfield (probably Q9450)
And when the next next gen hits id upgrade to nehalem. He is with a P4...
Ofcourse its his choice if he wants to take the plunge, but the situation is different between you two.

And BonzaiDuck is right on the money... remember the first 775 mobos? the nvidia chips had some nasty erroring bugs, the intel ones would ignore power button presses or just blue screen randomly (I am listing fixes that happened in second revisions of said chipsets... drop in replacements transparent to the user!) Being the FIRST to buy into a new platform is risky...

Also dear god DDR3 is overpriced! I am not upgrading to it until it is only 20% more expensive then a similar speed DDR2... (right now it is more then twice as expensive for same speed, and 3 and 4 times the price at the higher end)

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Pretty savvy for 16, isn't he? I'm with "WaitingforNehalem" on this one. I probably have a lot more money, for just short of four times his age, and this obsession has been a drain for me, I swear!!

As I said -- maybe sooner or later someone will say their tired of the metaphor -- this is like surfing. No -- not buying the surfboard, but waiting for the right wave.

Even so, there IS something to what Taltimir says, and it suggests that perhaps WaitingforNehalem would be wise to wait just a bit longer. As with each cyber-part generation, there will be BIOS bugs, hardware revisions, etc. I always wait at least six months after the initial release; watch the user forums at various mobo-maker web-sites; keep tabs on the i4Memory Australian crowd that goes to official international over-clocking competitions; and try to hunt down as many reviews as possible. For all that, you can choose a piece of hardware for some set of reasons; it then later turns out that a new revision in CPU design that is socket and motherboard compatible needs a BIOS update; or you fail to estimate the limitations of a half-generation earlier and burn out a couple hundred ducats-worth of hardware.

You will want to catch the wave at the right time -- you don't just want to jump in feet first. I'm guessing that the wisest, most disciplined delay would make current-day, cheaper Conroe or Penryn technology seem more attractive. But with WaitingforNehalem's budget, it may be like those starter cartridges that Jimmy Stewart burns up in "Flight of the Phoenix" -- with the German engineer screaming that they'll all die in the desert if they run out of those cartridges to start the plane.

As we used to joke about hayseeds and country-rubes attending the state-fair, "Don't spend your penny too fast, Clem."

So you support me?

 

[Tempered81]

the x58 core i7's at launch will be the overclockable ones. still waiting for a overclocking review & comparison to penryn

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
the x58 core i7's at launch will be the overclockable ones. still waiting for a overclocking review & comparison to penryn

I will never overclock my Core i7. Sheesh, you spend that much money just to ruin it. In fact, I would never overclock any cpu. Shortening the lifespan and having an unstable desktop are not on my list. No matter how much you test with Prime 95, it will never be as stable as stock right? Then you raise the voltage and that will shorten the lifespan right? I still have an 11 year old Pentium desktop in use.

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: jaredpace
the x58 core i7's at launch will be the overclockable ones. still waiting for a overclocking review & comparison to penryn

I will never overclock my Core i7. Sheesh, you spend that much money just to ruin it. In fact, I would never overclock any cpu. Shortening the lifespan and having an unstable desktop are not on my list. No matter how much you test with Prime 95, it will never be as stable as stock right? Then you raise the voltage and that will shorten the lifespan right? I still have an 11 year old Pentium desktop in use.

sigh, you have much to learn..

 

[taltamir]

if having an unstable desktop is not something you want, don't buy a new (under 6 months) chipset and a new CPU architecture (well, wait 1 months for the CPU)...
Also the "will never be as stable as stock" is not true, there is nothing magical about "stock speed" that makes it more stable. It is just the speed at which a company decided to sell that particular model. Some are sold UNSTABLE at stock speed, others have HUGE OC room where you can oc the heck out of them and they will still be more stable then the stock speed of other models.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Well everywhere I read it says overclocking shortens the lifespan, just not enough for an enthusiast to notice since it will replaced soon.

This is from Wikipedia: ? The lifespan of a processor is negatively affected by higher operation frequencies, increased voltages and heat. Some Overclockers argue that with the rapid obsolescence of processors coupled with the long life of solid state microprocessors (10 years or more), the overclocked component will likely be replaced before its eventual failure. Also, since many overclockers are enthusiasts, they often upgrade components more often than the general population, offering further mitigation of this disadvantage.

In general, overclockers claim that testing can ensure that an overclocked system is stable and functioning correctly. Although software tools are available for testing hardware stability, it is generally impossible for any private individual to thoroughly test the functionality of a processor. Achieving good fault coverage requires immense engineering effort considering that even with all of the resources dedicated to validation by manufacturers, faults can still sometimes pass through undetected.

BTW, my motherboard supports a maximum frequency of 3.2GHz. If I wanted to overclock my cpu, would that overclock the limit?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Well everywhere I read it says overclocking shortens the lifespan, just not enough for an enthusiast to notice since it will replaced soon.

It is undeniably true, but not because of the overclocking aspect of the computer usage but the simple fact you turned the computer on and applied a voltage to the processor.

No matter how low the voltage, no matter how cold you keep the CPU, the application of a voltage to the CPU causes degradation. There is no "minimum threshold". Only ways to slow it down or speed it up.

So does overclocking your chip shorten the lifespan? Yes. Does using it at stock shorten the lifespan? Yes. Does leaving the computer turned off and unplugged from the wall shorten the lifespan? No.

And taltamir has made THE most obvious blatant statement you should digest and think about for a while...if system stability is second or even third priority, let alone first priority, then you need to be purchasing a stable and well debugged LGA775 mobo and get yourself a Wolfdale/Yorkfield.

Initial hardware for every socket release is always buggy, if this wasn't the case then that would mean the company took waaaay to long to push the first round of products out onto the markets (this is how businesses work, sorry to say) and shareholders would be pissed for the reduction in EPS entitlement.

(note I bought a $1500 QX6700 Kentsfield, the very first quads on market, and a $500 Striker Extreme 680i mobo, one of the first 680i chipsets on the market, in late 2006 when the hardware first hit the market...and I fought system stability and debug issues tooth-and-nail for a full year until I replaced that $500 mobo with another $200 mobo and my $1500 CPU with an equivalently clocking $260 Q6600...I've been where you are about to go, and your statements are concerning me that you have you expectations that will simply not be met and buyer's remorse is going to be your buddy for all of 2009)

 

[AuDioFreaK39]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Well everywhere I read it says overclocking shortens the lifespan, just not enough for an enthusiast to notice since it will replaced soon.

Initial hardware for every socket release is always buggy, if this wasn't the case then that would mean the company took waaaay to long to push the first round of products out onto the markets (this is how businesses work, sorry to say) and shareholders would be pissed for the reduction in EPS entitlement.

Agreed.

 

[bryanW1995]

pm me when you get your nehalem system, I'd be happy to take that ip 35 pro off your hands...