Latin American Ethanol Policy

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: smashp
Any Mass use and adoption of ethanol will Fail.

It is expensive, massivly subsidized, and here is the zinger

Take a look at the GM E85 cars

you get 35% less miles per gallon of Ethanol

for example chevy impala 3.5l 211hp engine

"It also gives you an EPA estimated 21 city and 31 highway MPG using gasoline. And with E85 fuel, you?ll get an EPA estimated 16 city and 23 highway MPG."
3.5L V6 Engine (Gasoline/E85 Compatible)

DEAD Technology

no american will pay the same price per gallon of E85 to be able to drive less total miles.

Oh in my area i have 4 E85 plants within 20 miles and they all charge more per gallon of E85 than gasoline

I'm not much of a believier in E85. I guess an E85 motor would be a nice to have, just in case, but that's as far as it goes at this point. The current problem is that right now ethanol is "hot" and it seems everybody wants to invest in ethanol plants. The more ethanol plants they build, the bigger demand for corn, which just drives up prices. IMO, it's become an overheated market. I guess I'd rather see that then to send the money overseas??

In truth what is happening is that we pay TWICE. We won't see declines in foreign oil consumption. It will continue to increase. It just might increase SLOWER by having domestic ethanol to supplement the fuel supply. The problem is that US consumers will PAY for the increased cost in food (feed for animals), increased cost in transportation (reduced fuel economy), and STILL send hundreds of billions each year to the oil pirates from Hugo to the House of Saud.

It's not that ethanol is a terrible idea. But per norm, the 'political' execution of it has produced policy that will benefit neither the environment nor consumers . . . but they will pay the bill.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Lothar
When they get rid of the 54c/gallon imorted ethanol tax, I'd consider it good policy.
Until then, it's just a bunch of politicians doing photo ops and signing useless papers.

Heh, that wont happen with the farm lobby pouring millions into the pockets of politicians

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: smashp
Any Mass use and adoption of ethanol will Fail.

It is expensive, massivly subsidized, and here is the zinger

Take a look at the GM E85 cars

you get 35% less miles per gallon of Ethanol

for example chevy impala 3.5l 211hp engine

"It also gives you an EPA estimated 21 city and 31 highway MPG using gasoline. And with E85 fuel, you?ll get an EPA estimated 16 city and 23 highway MPG."
3.5L V6 Engine (Gasoline/E85 Compatible)

DEAD Technology

no american will pay the same price per gallon of E85 to be able to drive less total miles.

Oh in my area i have 4 E85 plants within 20 miles and they all charge more per gallon of E85 than gasoline

I'm not much of a believier in E85. I guess an E85 motor would be a nice to have, just in case, but that's as far as it goes at this point. The current problem is that right now ethanol is "hot" and it seems everybody wants to invest in ethanol plants. The more ethanol plants they build, the bigger demand for corn, which just drives up prices. IMO, it's become an overheated market. I guess I'd rather see that then to send the money overseas??

In truth what is happening is that we pay TWICE. We won't see declines in foreign oil consumption. It will continue to increase. It just might increase SLOWER by having domestic ethanol to supplement the fuel supply. The problem is that US consumers will PAY for the increased cost in food (feed for animals), increased cost in transportation (reduced fuel economy), and STILL send hundreds of billions each year to the oil pirates from Hugo to the House of Saud.

It's not that ethanol is a terrible idea. But per norm, the 'political' execution of it has produced policy that will benefit neither the environment nor consumers . . . but they will pay the bill.

I don't think there are many people in this country suffering from lack of food. I've said this before, but I think it bears repeating. I remember when Tiger Woods was making more off a box of wheaties then the person who grew the wheat.

Also, consider that you pay twice through the per bushel grain subsides when the price of corn goes too low. We never know how good a crop we're going to have from year to year so it seems to make sense to overproduce and convert the excess to ethanol.