Law firm fires 14 employees for wearing orange shirts

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Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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The "stupid" parts you reference are a function of the individualistic nature of the US. our "common sense" disagrees with yours in this regard because we have different assumptions about the nature independence vs. interdependence.

Your assumptions aren't right and the other guy's stupid; they are just different.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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Great argument there buddy.

You work some low-skill job; or do you just assume that law-work is just like factory work?

If losing 14 lawyers in one firm doesn't mean that there's that much more work to go-around then these people were, indeed, redundant.

Most likely, though, they are doing jobs that are easily replaced with low-cost new-law-grads; they just needed any-old reason to nix the over-paid employees.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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The "stupid" parts you reference are a function of the individualistic nature of the US. our "common sense" disagrees with yours in this regard because we have different assumptions about the nature independence vs. interdependence.

Your assumptions aren't right and the other guy's stupid; they are just different.

Agreed, it's the whole Social Reliance vs Self Reliance thing again.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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If losing 14 lawyers in one firm doesn't mean that there's that much more work to go-around then these people were, indeed, redundant.

Most likely, though, they are doing jobs that are easily replaced with low-cost new-law-grads; they just needed any-old reason to nix the over-paid employees.




Umm......where did it say that the employees that were fired were lawyers?

Reading comprehension fail.
 

ky54

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Mar 30, 2010
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I live in Syracuse where you can get fired for NOT wearing orange.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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Umm......where did it say that the employees that were fired were lawyers?

Reading comprehension fail.

Sans the janitors, the economic argument regarding the value, redundancy and demand qualities in a knowledge-and-skills based job market remains.
 

Veliko

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Feb 16, 2011
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The "stupid" parts you reference are a function of the individualistic nature of the US. our "common sense" disagrees with yours in this regard because we have different assumptions about the nature independence vs. interdependence.

Your assumptions aren't right and the other guy's stupid; they are just different.

Well no, the rich and the wealthy have managed to fool you into thinking that their best interests are also your best interests.

At-will employment is an absurd policy.
 

Matthiasa

Diamond Member
May 4, 2009
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Hindsight is always 20/20, right?

Besides, "lets say we're protesting" is a pretty random thought for people dressing the same for some after work boozing

Given that they worked at a law office I would hope they would I don't know... maybe know the law. Just a thought really.
Maybe not to the extant of the lawyers but still.
 

Phokus

Lifer
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What's retarded is limiting the right of an employer when it comes to firing people for any non-bigotry-based reason.

The economic problems caused by not having at-will employment lead to greater unemployment. See France which has worse unemployment during the good times AND worse unemployment during the bad times.

France hasn't seen sub 8% unemployment for over two decades while over the same time period the US has only ever seen 8% unemployment in the last 3 years.


So we trade stupid-shit like this happening for about 5% less unemployment.

I say screw the orange-shirters.

Germany has even more restrictive labour policies (unions get board representation and it's impossible to fire people) and they have lower unemployment, you don't know what you're talking about.
 

lxskllr

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I'm ok with "at will" employment, but it should be backed by the potential of physical violence. Businesses get away with shit because there's no repercussions. The risk of an ass beating clarifies thought, and guides the hand to the correct decision. Fuck with my bottom line, and I'll fuck with yours.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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I don't believe this news story is relaying all of the facts of the matter. If you're being reductionist it's accurate, but I bet there's more to this.
 

oddyager

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As someone who worked as a file clerk at a law firm, the dress code only applies to the partners, the lawyers and the receptionists. If you're an underling, the general idea is that you probably won't come in contact with any clients, let alone the general public, so if you want to wear a polo shirt and jeans, more power to you.

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That depends on the law firm. I used to work for one the oldest and largest firms in the country and the dress code is for everyone who works inside any of the offices. Even though you may not have direct interaction with the clients, you are still part of the culture.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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As per the article they should have just said they were protesting since that is what their management thought anyways, but would have lead to large payouts instead.

They could still all change their story and cite the fear for their livelihoods. I think 2 of the females should make up a "sex for your job" story too, and back up each others stories. Sugar in the executive's gas tank is a given.
 

mugs

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Apr 29, 2003
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Has any group adults ever in the history of the world intentionally worn matching, brightly colored shirts to a happy hour? OK, so clearly they're lying about that. It sounds likely that they were doing it as some kind of protest against their employer. I guess they didn't know that it is (apparently?) illegal to fire them for that.

And please stop arguing with HAL. The kid believes that anything that works differently from how they do things in the UK is inherently wrong. Their government must love having people like that.
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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The kid believes that anything that works differently from how they do things in the UK is inherently wrong.

This is easily among the top three most annoying features a person can have.
 

lokiju

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As someone who worked as a file clerk at a law firm, the dress code only applies to the partners, the lawyers and the receptionists. If you're an underling, the general idea is that you probably won't come in contact with any clients, let alone the general public, so if you want to wear a polo shirt and jeans, more power to you. It is absurd that these people were fired for wearing a single color, mainly because management apparently thought that orange was synonymous with "we are protesting" and not "any fucking thing else you fucking stupid fucks." I mean, Jesus God, I've worked at places where management came to work in yellow and green because the Ducks were in a bowl game, but the state color of Florida is apparently unacceptable for a Florida law office? The law firm is going to be completely boned with all the negative press it receives from this, and that's way more important than stopping some presumed protest. And why did they immediately jump to protest? Are the working conditions really that shitty? Does management spend all day thinking "OK, today is when these savages finally say 'ENOUGH' and we've got to be ready, dammit!" All things considered, it sounds like every single person in management needs to be punched in the face repeatedly for the next 1600 consecutive billable hours until they realize just how boneheaded this entire gesture comes across as.

Maybe I'm just bitter cause I had to work with lawyers.

I actually interviewed with a number of big time law firms in Atlanta and every one of them would of required a long sleeve dress shirt and tie every day.
 

Squisher

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A good lawyer would sue them because they were initially fired because management "thought" they were protesting.

At-will is stupid. At what point will you draw the line in the sand and say they can't do that. Hey, they make the Chinese wade through pools of toxic chemicals for a nickel a day so if we want less unemployment then we've got to do that too. How about whips and chains? They're very efficient and you signed the contract.
 

lothar

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Germany has even more restrictive labour policies (unions get board representation and it's impossible to fire people) and they have lower unemployment, you don't know what you're talking about.

How long has Germany had a lower unemployment than the US?
Compare historical data and let us know rather than just cherry picking only the last 2-4 years of data to fit your argument. Thanks
 

krunchykrome

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Dec 28, 2003
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So does anybody know what glaring details this article failed to promote? I absolutely refuse to believe a law firm fired 14 employees just because it thought they may be protesting management but weren't. Makes no sense whatsoever. Rage not found until rest of details given.

this; there's got to be more to the story than this. Management (especially at a law firm) would not blatantly do something this stupid without a justifiable reason.

Reports/News love to take events like this, omit key details, and twist the story into a something else.
 

GotIssues

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Jan 31, 2003
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I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with DixyCrat.

First, no one knows the whole story, so every person in this thread needs to stop assuming they do. I can assure you that a lot of people get canned for reason A, when in reality it was reason B, C, and D. If they were highly valued employees in their company, they wouldn't get canned for wearing orange on a single day, even if management didn't like it. Those employees (or a majority of them, at least) were likely skating on thin ice already.

Provide value to justify your cost of employment, and you'll maintain your employment status. If you don't, then you won't. People bitch and moan about "the companies only care about the bottom line" but aren't interested in taking in responsibility or DOING something about it. The only thing that statement says is "I'm lazy and don't want to work very hard and got fired, now I'm bitter because I couldn't coast through life and get a paycheck for doing what amounts to nothing. Other people should pick up the slack for me."

The larger the benefit you provide to the bottom line of the company, the safer you are. If you think you provide a big benefit and you get laid off, I hate to break it to you, but you most likely have an inflated self-worth. If you get laid off and have trouble finding a job, maybe you should look at switching careers. It's not the employer's responsibility that you chose a field that was dying/oversaturated/not worthwhile or that you are bad at what you do an not worth employing.

You are not entitled to your job.

Companies should be allowed to make whatever decisions they want (non-discriminatory, of course). It is up to the management to run the company. If they make bad choices, the company won't be around long. If that company fired a bunch of all-stars, that management will have hell to pay when the bottom line is impacted. However, I'm willing to bet they didn't.
 
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