Lawsuit help

The Godfather

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The Homeowners Association has filed a lawsuit against my father. Story is as follows:

He has a box truck (that by clause 390.5 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Association is not considered a commercial vehicle).. Its a GMC Savana. There is no parking place around our house or neighborhood to a walking distance. He was sold the house a few years back without being showed the Homeowner's Association's regulations until after the purchase of the home. However, it was no problem, but a year ago the Homeowners Association switched to another company, and they had new rules. They consider his truck as a commercial vehicle and say he can not park in his drive way. He rents a storage space around 10 miles from our home, however does not always have access to another car to get him back home once he leaves it there. The truck is MAINLY parked at the storage on weekends and most weekdays.. It is only here whenever he needs to use the fax to send invoices or have lunch/clean etc.

They called tow trucks more than once, even though our neighbor also has that same truck, and gets no hassle. The tow trucks arrived, so my dad called police. The police officers clearly stated that they have no right to remove your vehicle off your own property, and the tow trucks left and never came back after those few times. Then they sent us random fines; it did not say a specific person who it was from or anything. It was like for example me sending a random address a fine over something I fine inappropriate. My dad refused to pay since there was no reason for them to do this. He is a hard working man, pays his bills, even pays the monthly Homeowners bill. The rules and regulations that were given to him after the purchase of the home and swapping of Homeowners companies, weren't elected by us, the residents and we had no voice in who and how should run the neighborhood.

Now they are suing us for those unpaid fines and lawyer fees (which i dont know how much it is, they didnt state). They claim the truck "devalues properties and makes the neighborhood unattractive." So we made a petition to see if the residents are okay with the truck being parked here temporarily as it is (for example it hasnt been here all day today or yesterday), and do they find it intruding in their home prices. Most find it completely normal, and are also unhappy with this Homeowners company, "Liberty" <-- wow at their name. The sherriff came to serve us with the law notice, and he also stated that he had the same problems in his neighborhood a while ago.

My dad can not just leave the house, ruin his credit, run away.. Just because some people decided to hassle him in such ways. So what do we do? He doesnt speak english very well, so the following questions:

Can I help him and represent him to some extent when the case begins in the Clerk's Court?

Is the petition enough to back us up? (if they say the voice of the residents does not matter, they still have their regulations, then who's voice COULD matter if not the people living in the neighborhood)

This has been months of harrasment, nerves, and constant problems. My father didn't do anything wrong. So in case of a win (which may be out of the question since Homeowners Associations never lose), but just in case, can there be a counter sue? If so, how do you approach a counter sue based on psychological harrasment over months long period of time? This issue has brought my parents a great deal of problems. My dad can't even sleep thinking about this case and its outcomes.

Also, if he is found guilty, how can he take the case higher and maybe say it was an unfair resolution? How do we approach doing that?

Please reply seriously. My family is having a great deal of stress over this, so I am trying to find some reasonable answers or references that may help.

Thank you all in advance.

edit: state: GA, Gwinnett County
 

PottedMeat

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What identifies it as a commercial truck different from the neighbors?

When are HOA meetings - can he attend?
 

nsafreak

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Cliffs?

For crying out loud its not that long. ATOT needs to get an attention span longer than that of a bloody cocker spaniel.

Op,

Whether or not you could act as the legal representative for your father is not something I'm familiar with. I'm sure you could definitely act as a witness but as a representative I'm not sure. However I would recommend that your father seek a lawyer that has a good background in dealing with HOAs. I realize that lawyers are expensive but usually you're better off having one than not unless you're a lawyer yourself.
 

DaveSimmons

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You can't just ignore HOA fines because you don't agree with them, you must either pay them or challenge them.

You also can't just ignore HOA policies because you don't like them. Again, if you don't like them you should take it up with the HOA officers using whatever method is detailed in the association's rules.

Did your dad ever send a polite letter by certified mail to the officers of the HOA explaining why his truck is not a commercial vehicle?

HOA rules can be obnoxious, but ignoring them until they take you to court is not the best way to do things.
 

sjwaste

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You haven't even mentioned the state and locality. You really need an attorney for this one. At least pay one for a consultation and see if you have options. This is going to be very dependent on state and local law.
 

IEC

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I'm assuming you want to limit it to *legal* help, right?
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: PottedMeat
What identifies it as a commercial truck different from the neighbors?

When are HOA meetings - can he attend?

He did attend, but no one else bothered to besides a few people.


the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration states the following clause within their regulations of 390.5

"Commercial motor vehicle means any
self-propelled or towed motor vehicle
used on a highway in interstate commerce
to transport passengers or property
when the vehicle?
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating
or gross combination weight rating, or
gross vehicle weight or gross combination
weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds)
or more, whichever is greater; or
(2) Is designed or used to transport
more than 8 passengers (including the
driver) for compensation; or
(3) Is designed or used to transport
more than 15 passengers, including the
driver, and is not used to transport passengers
for compensation; or
(4) Is used in transporting material
found by the Secretary of Transportation
to be hazardous under 49 U.S.C.
5103 and transported in a quantity requiring
placarding under regulations
prescribed by the Secretary under 49
CFR, subtitle B, chapter I, subchapter"

my dad's truck is the same as the neighbors, except the back of it is in a boxed shape while the neighbor is in a van shape. It is the same truck though.

And the regulations above, my dad's truck is below the weight, and passenger size of a "commercial vehicle"

My dad's truck has lettering as well, and we offered to remove it if that will solve the issue. The Homeowner's Replied that it will not resolve it. (I still have the emails I sent back and forth).

The neighbor states that he wrote them a letter (they were bothering him as well at first), but they left him alone. Same as I did, I wrote them a nice and polite letter explaining that there is nowhere to put the truck in a walking distance to the home, and asked them how we can resolve it. However they did not leave us alone and said "it is not our problem, we just want it removed"
 

The Godfather

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We dont really have the money to hire an attorney. Also how much could that be if they win.. the attorney "fees" that they are including in their sue?
 

Joemonkey

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we're looking for a house and shit like this is why we toss out every page we see that has

HOA? Yes
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
We dont really have the money to hire an attorney. Also how much could that be if they win.. the attorney "fees" that they are including in their sue?

They've already filed suit = consult a lawyer ASAP.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
we're looking for a house and shit like this is why we toss out every page we see that has

HOA? Yes

Yeah. I mean if they said "Here's the rules, read them, sign them, give them back signed, and then you can purchase the home under these regulations." It would have been okay. But they let us buy the house, slapped these rules at a later time, and didn't ask if we agree or not. So I don't see where the "Liberty" in that is - considering their company name.
 

The Godfather

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Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: The Godfather
We dont really have the money to hire an attorney. Also how much could that be if they win.. the attorney "fees" that they are including in their sue?

They've already filed suit = consult a lawyer ASAP.

I know you're right. I just wanted to see if anyone here familiar with these associations can answer any of the questions.
 

Safeway

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Originally posted by: The Godfather
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: The Godfather
We dont really have the money to hire an attorney. Also how much could that be if they win.. the attorney "fees" that they are including in their sue?

They've already filed suit = consult a lawyer ASAP.

I know you're right. I just wanted to see if anyone here familiar with these associations can answer any of the questions.

A lot of firms offer free consultations. They will be very direct with future costs.
 

Aharami

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sorry man. I have no valuable advice other than what others have already said - consult with a lawyer asap. Seems like you got a nasty HoA in your hands.
 

Vette73

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Sorry but you are fu(ked.

He should have appealed the fines when they came in. As such if he did not he probable lost his ability to appeal them.

A HOA can set its guidelines to what IT deems a commercial vehicle and/or what is and is not allowed in a driveway. So using some federal guideline is not going to get you anywhere.

The lawyer fees from them will be high and the lawyers know that if you don?t pay the bill the HOA and the HOA takes the home sells it then pays the lawyer. So the lawyers will charge the most they can to make you lose the house.


Get a lawyer but in the end you will probably end up like most, pay up and/or look for a new place. One of MANY reasons why I would never live in a HOA.
 

JDMnAR1

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Clarify something for us if you can. Were you informed that the property was governed by a Homeowners Association before the purchase? You mentioned that you didn't see the HOA regulations until after the purchase, but did you know that purchase of the property meant inclusion in the HOA? If you were totally unaware of the existence of the HOA until after it was a done deal, you might be able to go after your real estate agent to attempt to recover your costs due to their failure to fully disclose everything about the home. Of course, you definitely need to consult with an attorney on all of this.
 

Mursilis

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It may take awhile, but you probably have the option of persuading (or running for) your HOA Board (or whatever) to find a new, less-harassing management company. You said your father did not have this issue before with a prior company. This may be your best bet, depending on how big your HOA is.
 
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If HOA are as evil as everyone makes them out to be here, trying to appeal them when you first got the fines probably would not have worked out well anyway as they seem pretty arbitrary overall.

Best advice here: talk to a lawyer.

Next steps: talk with neighbors, be proactive against the current HOA board; maybe try and get elected or lobby to change the rules.
 

tk149

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1. Get a lawyer, your dad is being sued.

2. Check the house sales contract. There's likely a clause in there about agreeing to comply with the HOA rules. If so, it's irrelevant that your dad didn't get the HOA rules until after he bought the house. That's his own fault for not reading everything and making sure he had all the papers. The Title Company should have warned him, if nothing else. If there's nothing in there about an HOA, then you may have a case for ignoring their rules.

3. Just guessing on this one, but it sounds like you have an HOA that contracts out parking enforcement to a company, and the HOA switched to a different enforcement company, which is when your troubles started. If so, deal directly with the HOA, not the enforcement company. The HOA is the boss here. If the HOA tells the enforcement company to stop, the company will stop. The HOA should be made up of HOMEOWNERS in the neighborhood. It's not a faceless corporation. Maybe if you invited the HOA president over for a beer, you could get this resolved easily.

4. The FMCSA definition you keep quoting might be irrelevant. It depends on the wording of the HOA rules. Have you read them yet? If not, you might want to reconsider the part about helping represent your dad in court.

5. Sounds like your dad just ignored the parking tickets. He should have used the grievance/dispute clause in the HOA rules to dispute the tickets. He can still try, and the petition signed by the neighbors can be used to help his case. Note that at this point, depending on the asnwer to point #3, you may have two different legal issues. One is with the HOA, and the other is with the enforcement company (or it's assignee).

6. The HOA Rules might give some way to appeal if he loses his case in HOA "court." Have you read the rules yet?
 
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