LCD Buyer's Guide

[gorka]

xtknight,

just wanted to get your opinion as well.

seeing there doesn't seem to be anymore S-IPS 22" monitors coming out soon...I've decided to bite the bullet and go with a 20".

I don't need any of the input functions and only NEED the monitor to do 2 things.

1. FPS gaming
2. Clear/crisp text for Word (obviously for Web also)

My choices are down to 2 monitors, ranked in preference.

1. NEC WMGX2
2. Viewsonic VX2025WM

I hear the VX2035 is a TN panel...right?

So given the two requirements I have....would you agree with the 2 choices I made? Samsung would be the 3rd, just haven't decieded on which one.

Thanks for any feedback.

Bonesdad...good luck on the VX2025....I may go that way if the glare of the NEC is unmanageable

 

[Jodiuh]

Under Multimedia:
4. View 2025
7. Sam 205BW

They aren't even in the same league when compared to the 2007WFP S-IPS. The difference in color/light detail consistency puts them both to shame. I ordered mine a few months ago and a friend recently got an S-IPS as well.

Keeping it off this list only hurts a consumer's choice. Objectivity or bust...

 

[gorka]

yeah...but the S-IPS /PVA crapshoot the 2007 has become IMO, makes it a lesser option.

 

[eeric]

I just got my 2007wfp last month, and it was still S-IPS Rev A02, I think it's still quite a viable option for those in Canada. For once its good we get the newer revs later I got mine from made in Mexico, and somehow they got it all mixed up and sent me another "replacement" without me asking. I need to send it back, but after I opened it I got another S-IPS made in China. After extensive side-by-side comparisons, the second one I got has a bit more backlight bleeding according to my digital camera (still cant see it with naked eye on pure black screen) but has better contrast and default colour settings, so I'm sending my original back. So far compared to all the LCDs I have seen, minus $1000+ panels, I'm loving my 2007WFP.

Question xtknight (btw HI again) I have a friend looking to buy an LCD minimum 20"+ preferably 22+, must be under $500 canadian, must have pivot, all purpose (including occasional FPS like CS). He's looking at the Samsung 225BW, and I've taken a look and it seems pretty good for its price. However, it is a TN panel but I can't determine if its Chi Mei or Samsung panel inside, and that theres a lot of backlight bleeding. Any comments? Or should I point him to a 215T or 2007WFP....

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DustyNL
So I guess the big question is, where in the Multimedia ranking list would the samsung 225BW fit in??

If I recommended it I would place it above the 225BW as it has a better dithering method, to my knowledge.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
NEC just wnet on sale!!! 100$ off CDN at bestbuy, i think it likes to tease me

with that being said its very much in my reach:

1. When running 1280x960 content from PC on DVI.. will it have black bars on top and bottom? Assuming its set that way on the monitor

Sure, if you set your NVIDIA card to send it a signal like that. (You can't with ATI cards.) The 20WMGX2's DSP (internal scaler) only stretches. When my 20WMGX2 encounters a 1280x960 signal, it can properly scale it to the whole screen. Don't ask me why, but at the moment my NVIDIA drivers don't want to center the image or scale it themselves. It's probably just me. I know it has worked before.

2. When running 4:3 Content through coax, will it have black bars on top and bottom also?

Those are some important things I am interested in

There's a slew of 'Expansion' options for how you'd like to scale the TV mode. You can even do a custom one and move the borders with your mouse cursor, or 1:1 mode, or wide-aspect, etc. Trust me, if you want to scale it a certain way, you'll be able to.

 

[Butterbean]

Never mind about the questions above. I called Dell and they are taking monitor back. I don't see how this listing could hurt consumer choice if you can't even get what you wanted from Dell. This is like going to Kentucky Freid Chicken and asking for a bucket of "Original Recipe" and being given a bucket of "Extra Crispy" instead and told its all the same because its still Kentucky Fried.

I don't think Dell was being malevolent, but if an Attorney General or Consumer Affiars agency cited Dell for this kind of thing I would say they asked for it. If they submit monitors for reviews then they should note on site that their panels can change at latter date. Its not like they switched out flat head screws for philips head.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Shaitan00
I wanted to start by saying thanks to everyone for this thread (just finished reading through it all)...
Now to the topic at hand = my old NEC MultiSync XV17+ CRT just died a few days ago so I have been shopping for a replacement (LCD) and found this thread to be extremely informative and helpful in narrowing down my decision...

But before going out there and spending my fortune I wanted to run my situation by you guys and see what feedback I could get...
I use my monitor at home (with a window to my right side and a lamp hovering above) mostly for (in order): reading (coding/browsing - 50% of my time), watching (movies, anime, etc.. at a close distance - 45% of my time), and finally gaming (5% of my time)...
So - unless I am mistaken - I fall within the IPS-class of panels (at least not TN, bad viewing angles, colors, etc...) - or maybe PVA (am I way off?)... what I am looking for is good colors and imagine quality as opposed to minimal response times... I need to be able to stare at this thing for hours and not be damned with issues...

Well if you can afford IPS or the MVA class of panels, you don't want TNs period unless you are an ultimately hardcore gamer.

Some of what I think are my requirements:
- 20" Widescreen (more then that and my video card [AGP ATI 9800pro 128megs] won't be able to handle the resolution)
- Good on my eyes, sharp text, colors, etc... (as I spend a LOT of time reading/writing & watching - I was expecting 8-bit 16.7M colors)
- Good viewing angles (I watch a lot of stuff, sometimes with my wife and friends all around my monitor so...)
- Not bad response times (as I do game and would hate to spend all this money and not be able to play my UT2004/UT2007 comfortably...)
And of course - if possible - minimize (none is impossible) some of the more common LCD issues such as black-bleeding, ghosting, etc....

The NEC 20WMGX2 fits those criteria precisely.

From my investigation (and give what big-name stores such as Futureshop and Bestbuy offer here in Canada - for easy return/exchange if ever I have issues/dead pixels) I came up with the following 3 options:
- NEC 20WMGX2 (my top choice, only down seems to be the 'glossy screen' which I am not sure about & the price - $700CDN)
- Samsung 215TW (initially what I wanted until I started to read about a lot of input lag issues - $600CDN)
- LG 204WT (looks like a great screen for the price but it is still just a TN screen with emulated 16.7M colors - $400CDN)
(of course - if you have any other suggestions I am all ears)....

Sounds good to me. The 215TW wouldn't be bad either, but I would only get it if you've seen one in store and are sure that the input lag wouldn't bother you. All you have to do is move the mouse on the desktop. If you have to think about it, then you don't notice it.

So - my top contender is the NEC (funny - I have been using my NEC CRT for 8+ years now - would be cool to keep with them ehhehe)
I believe, for the high price, it is the best to meet my needs as reading/writing (colors, text sharpness, etc...) seem to be really amazing AND the additional 6ms response time should allow me to play any game I want almost blur/ghost free (I would imagine)...

Not really 'blur free', but definitely above average. I can tell you right now it won't be as fast or smooth as a CRT, at least not if you have good eyes. Nor will any LCD except perhaps the fastest TNs (which are still a tad slower).

The only consitent negatvie I found was people mentioned issues with the 'glossy screen' and I am hoping it isn't to much of a deal - I was wondering if my current CRT had the same type of 'glossy panel' as it is also NEC - if so I am already accustomed to it - or is it really not at all the same thing?
Aside from that - some speak of odd red'ish colors, bad blacks, etc... but these are not as consitent so I pray I'll get lucky

No, I doubt that your CRT has that coating. I believe the OptiClear CRT coating is different from the OptiClear LCD coating, that is if you even had an OptiClear CRT.

The uniformity and blacks on mine are amazing (0.20 nits). And the glossy coating further increases the contrast perceived by the human eye. Colors are awesome, especially calibrated.

Anyways - any feedback would be greatly appreciated before I go out and spend a fortune (on a screen I hope to keep for 5+ years)... if you think this is a BAD choice, or if you can help assure me that I did my research properly...
Thank you for you time....

The NEC 20WMGX2 sounds perfect, and it's worth every penny. I'm confident you'll be happy with the response time (it's a lot faster than that of the 215TW). There's a sale on the 20WMGX2 in Canada as well.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: 450R
Anyone know much about the Hanns-G HW192D? The only review I could find was this one but I stopped paying attention when he called it a true 8-bit panel when it's listed as 6-bit everywhere else (including the Hanns-G site).

Only thing I'm worried about is 6-bit color. I do amateur texturing for games in PS and it's nice to know what colors I'm actually putting down. Wish I could find it in a real store somewhere so I could see it with my own eyes ... guess I'll have to look at Directron's return policy.

Hmmm...meh...it's OK I guess. What's your price range?

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Is a S-IPS also better than S-PVA for video?

Yes, colors and skin tones are more natural with S-IPS.

I am thinking of the 2 different Dell 2007WFP's panels again. I know the S-PVA's are spooky for details straight on in photos - but they have some nice contrast. I saw some writings that suggested this was similiar panel to Smasung 215TW.

Actually, we've found that it's not similar at all. It's really quite a middled version of S-PVA, and may even be 6-bit.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad
Just pulled the trigger on the Viewsonic VX2025WM from Dell.com. With 10% discounts and a stackable 10% coupon I picked up off ebay, I got it for $285+tax. Budgetwise, comes in even better than where I wanted it! Hopefully I will have in in less than 2 weeks and will follow up here with my reactions/observations.

Mostly want to say thanks for what is probably the most useful thread in Anandtech forums. Thanks again xtknight for putting up with our incessant questions and pleadings for advice and hand holding. To say the least, this has been an education on the technology and pitfalls of making a(nother) major purchase for my "habit". Never bought an LCD before, so never really did any research until now, now that prices are reasonable for good quality panels.

Thanks again!

Glad I could help.

Originally posted by: gorka
xtknight,

just wanted to get your opinion as well.

seeing there doesn't seem to be anymore S-IPS 22" monitors coming out soon...I've decided to bite the bullet and go with a 20".

I don't need any of the input functions and only NEED the monitor to do 2 things.

1. FPS gaming
2. Clear/crisp text for Word (obviously for Web also)

My choices are down to 2 monitors, ranked in preference.

1. NEC WMGX2
2. Viewsonic VX2025WM

I hear the VX2035 is a TN panel...right?

Yeah, it looks like it to me. And those choices are what I would have picked for you as well. I doubt that there will be any 22" S-IPS screens, but it's possible there will be a 22" S-MVA from Chi Mei.

So given the two requirements I have....would you agree with the 2 choices I made? Samsung would be the 3rd, just haven't decieded on which one.

Samsung 205BW possibly, but it wouldn't be any faster for gaming and it's a TN.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jodiuh
Under Multimedia:
4. View 2025
7. Sam 205BW

They aren't even in the same league when compared to the 2007WFP S-IPS. The difference in color/light detail consistency puts them both to shame. I ordered mine a few months ago and a friend recently got an S-IPS as well.

Keeping it off this list only hurts a consumer's choice. Objectivity or bust...

Unfortunately, the PVA in the 2007 isn't in the same league as the S-IPS 2007 either. Are you suggesting that people order the 2007 and then deal with it if they get a PVA, or keep returning it until they get an S-IPS (if ever)? Not everybody's lucky and I can't recommend a monitor that has changing components. Additionally, to my knowledge there has been no review of the PVA 2007WFP. There have been several unhappy PVA customers. From what I've heard of it I doubt that it is much better than a TN, and I know people would like the TN in the L204WT better than the PVA in the 2007, which I believe to be 6-bit based off two reports of dithering artifacts. The QC also seems to be worse (more backlight bleeding). I have to say that companies that do this don't really deserve business. It used to be that there were just a few PVAs but now more are getting PVAs. If people are willing to go through the trouble to get an S-IPS then they are welcome to. The most I can do is note that the S-IPS screen is decent and that people are welcome to do the aforementioned (which I will do). I believe it would be a disservice to the unsatisfied people in this thread to relist that LCD.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: eeric
Question xtknight (btw HI again) I have a friend looking to buy an LCD minimum 20"+ preferably 22+, must be under $500 canadian, must have pivot, all purpose (including occasional FPS like CS). He's looking at the Samsung 225BW, and I've taken a look and it seems pretty good for its price. However, it is a TN panel but I can't determine if its Chi Mei or Samsung panel inside, and that theres a lot of backlight bleeding. Any comments? Or should I point him to a 215T or 2007WFP....

The 2007WFP is good if he's willing to go through the panel lottery, and the 225BW also sounds decent (it uses a Chi Mei panel according to someone who took it apart). It uses a newer and much-less bothersome dithering method. And yes, lots of the CMO panels have backlight bleeding but that's just how it is. I'm not really sure that the Samsung 205BW would have less bleeding though. Honestly, I would still get the VX2025WM before I'd get the 225BW. I'm not sure whether the VX2025WM supports pivot or not; they don't let you download the manual for it without a monitor serial number.

Edit: I found the manual and it looks like the VX2025WM does not support pivot.

 

[Butterbean]

Concerning question about Dell 2007WFP S-PVA panel switch xtknight replied:

"Actually, we've found that it's not similar at all. It's really quite a middled version of S-PVA, and may even be 6-bit."

Thanks - I wouldn't doubt it. The first time I turned it on it looked dodgy. Even with brightness up to 100 I couldn't see details in dark areas of contrasty photos without always tipping around in my chair. Movies and video looked awful on this too. I tried watching "March Of The Penguins" on this and unless you looked hard you couldn't even tell if the penguins had any eyes at full bright. They jusk looked like black knob headed creatures.

For what it's worth, I told Dell straight-up why I wanted to return monitor and they didn't argue over it and said they will refund price and handle shipping etc.

Thanks for info and replies.

 

[BassBomb]

Sweet, I think I will grab this baby I will let you know if I do and likely post my own review. Thanks for all!

 

[Jodiuh]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Jodiuh
Under Multimedia:
4. View 2025
7. Sam 205BW

They aren't even in the same league when compared to the 2007WFP S-IPS. The difference in color/light detail consistency puts them both to shame. I ordered mine a few months ago and a friend recently got an S-IPS as well.

Keeping it off this list only hurts a consumer's choice. Objectivity or bust...

Are you suggesting that people...keep returning it until they get an S-IPS (if ever)?...I have to say that companies that do this don't really deserve business...If people are willing to go through the trouble to get an S-IPS then they are welcome to...

Exactly. I just had a guy get one on the 1st try. I'm quite familiar w/ the return policy from Dell and if it were up to me...looking into a new monitor, I'd go through a swap or two before paying 2X $$$ for the NEC. Then again there's folks that may not like it's/Acer's glossy screen for work in the day.

Yes, it's not a perfect world and co's screw up/make mistakes. I had to replace a video card due to bad QA, but I'm not going to grab 2 X1900's instead because they "didn't" screw up. I'll work through the issue to get what I want...deserve for $$ paid/product offered.

If going through the trouble's "ordering one time", you can't deny it's a viable option, right? If they don't get it on the first shot, return it...what's the harm? If I could walk down to Fry's right now and get an S-IPS in non glossy w/ height adjustments...fine...perfect...but I can't. There's NONE that I know of w/ this feature set and the price of the Dell.

Bottomline: I've used 6 20.1's over the past few months and NONE come close to the experience of the DELL S-IPS. And I think everyone should be aware of this superb monitor...albeit w/ the * that you could get $@$@@#ed!!

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Jodiuh
Exactly. I just had a guy get one on the 1st try. I'm quite familiar w/ the return policy from Dell and if it were up to me...looking into a new monitor, I'd go through a swap or two before paying 2X $$$ for the NEC. Then again there's folks that may not like it's/Acer's glossy screen for work in the day.

Admittedly, I'm one to go through a lot of work for little benefit sometimes. But, I don't think a lot of people appreciate having to do this. It may not be of any benefit to them at all in fact.

Yes, it's not a perfect world and co's screw up/make mistakes. I had to replace a video card due to bad QA, but I'm not going to grab 2 X1900's instead because they "didn't" screw up. I'll work through the issue to get what I want...deserve for $$ paid/product offered.

Me neither. In fact I'd (and it sounds like you'd as well) go through 5 20WMGX2s if I had to get a good one. (Don't make me mention poor DasFox in Hawaii ) But would most people?

If going through the trouble's "ordering one time", you can't deny it's a viable option, right? If they don't get it on the first shot, return it...what's the harm? If I could walk down to Fry's right now and get an S-IPS in non glossy w/ height adjustments...fine...perfect...but I can't. There's NONE that I know of w/ this feature set and the price of the Dell.

It is an option, but it is not one that I feel most people would be willing to go through. If I sat here and made a webpage about how much better S-IPS is than the P-MVA they're getting in the VX2025, and included pictures and a 10-page guide on it they may believe me. But it is going to be hard to convince people that it's really worth it in the first place. I know I wouldn't go through this trouble to get a higher-end car with features I don't need if a lower model was just fine for me. That's probably a very hard analogy to understand in the geek world, but it's still true. It is hard to satisfy everybody but I feel that the geeks will naturally research more and read the first few lines of my post to figure out how they can get a good 2007WFP. And for the rest of the people, they can get a monitor that will satisfy them just as well without going through all the mess (which may be the duration of three weeks without a monitor if you don't get overnight shipping every time).

The main thing is, it's not like you just return it once and then you're set. Chances are if you get an S-PVA the first time and exchange it shortly thereafter, it's going to come from the same big batch of them and you'll end up where you started. There's no telling when or even if you'll get an S-IPS.

Bottomline: I've used 6 20.1's over the past few months and NONE come close to the experience of the DELL S-IPS. And I think everyone should be aware of this superb monitor...albeit w/ the * that you could get $@$@@#ed!!

I just don't feel you'd be so enthusiastic if you had to exchange it, that's all. I mean, it must be great having an S-IPS Dell, and while you may very well have gone through the trouble to get one, I think you'd understand where I'm coming from a little better if you had to deal with that.

Believe me, the day Dell started putting PVAs in its 2007WFP was a SAD day. I had to go on prozac for a while.

 

[SLM Crew Chief]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Concerning question about Dell 2007WFP S-PVA panel switch xtknight replied:

"Actually, we've found that it's not similar at all. It's really quite a middled version of S-PVA, and may even be 6-bit."

Thanks - I wouldn't doubt it. The first time I turned it on it looked dodgy. Even with brightness up to 100 I couldn't see details in dark areas of contrasty photos without always tipping around in my chair. Movies and video looked awful on this too. I tried watching "March Of The Penguins" on this and unless you looked hard you couldn't even tell if the penguins had any eyes at full bright. They jusk looked like black knob headed creatures.

For what it's worth, I told Dell straight-up why I wanted to return monitor and they didn't argue over it and said they will refund price and handle shipping etc.

Thanks for info and replies.

Hi. How long did you have yours? I had a S-IPS panel to start with and had to exchange it because it had a bad backlight. It took forever to get this one and it's a S-PVA and I really, really don't like it near as much as the bad S-IPS! Problem is, it's been just over a month since I placed my original order. I've only had this monitor just over a week. Just wondered what your experience was like. I'm torn on weather to go for another Dell or just suck it up and buy the NEC.

 

[Jodiuh]

I actually went through 3 Asus P5B Deluxes until I had a good stable board. Quite the hassle...and you're right, I'm a bit more miffed. Still, I'd do it again for such a wonderful (when it's not borked) board. As for the S-IPS vs M/PVA panels, check this quick link below:

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1030157445&postcount=102

There's another link to a page in that post w/ some more S-IPS info.

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: gorka
yeah...but the S-IPS /PVA crapshoot the 2007 has become IMO, makes it a lesser option.

It's the very reason I chose not to consider the Dell. If I knew I would have gotten the IPS panel, I would have chosen it for sure. I took the 2025 instead of getting a sloppy PVA panel from Dell. I personally would have been very unhappy to have to return a monitor I just got. Anyway, I hope I will be happy with the 2025, just coming off an 8 year old 19" CRT, the LCD will seem "dreamy" to me.

edit: IF I get it...this is confirmed in an email I got today from Viewsonic:

the VX2025WM is a discontinuted model.

so maybe u want to put the Dell back on the list...

 

[Baloonsquad]

Are there any standard aspect ratio monitors above 19" that you would highly reccomend for mostly gaming, but also typical websurfing and application use?

Edit: Also, is there any particular reason why only 19" are on the main list of reccomended monitors under gaming? Is there something I should know about that, like do they just happen to be of particularly good quality or something?

 

[gorka]

Yeah...after reading how you had a hard time getting hold of a 2025, and scouring some favorite sites... it really is getting replaced by the 2035 which is another TN.

 

[Butterbean]

SLM Crew Chief asked:

"Hi. How long did you have yours? I had a S-IPS panel to start with and had to exchange it because it had a bad backlight. It took forever to get this one and it's a S-PVA and I really, really don't like it near as much as the bad S-IPS! Problem is, it's been just over a month since I placed my original order. I've only had this monitor just over a week. Just wondered what your experience was like. I'm torn on weather to go for another Dell or just suck it up and buy the NEC. "

I had 2 S-PVA's since Nov 17th. The first one I knew right away I was exchanging because it had a cluster of stuck pixels right in my face and where I do screen caps etc. I called Dell the day I got it to arrange an exchange. Dell was slow to respond and said I would have to speak to their "technical staff" but could not tell me when that would be.

While I waited I realised that the monitor I had was pretty junky for what I expected. Photos looked very dark and the screen looked like it was covered with film of dust (it wasnt dirty - just the screen door effect thingy). Video looked especially craptastic.

I first heard of this panel months ago at dpreview were a lot of photographers had enthusiasm for this monitor. I went back there and they were talking about "the lottery" concerning this model. People were bumming out over the new panels. I went to Dell forum and people had posted the numbers in serial panel. My code fit the S-PVA but I didn't need them because I could tell from visual effect I had the cheesy panel.

I called Dell back and they still had no verdict or timeline for me to make exchange. When I told them I needed to resolve my monitor issue because I would be going away a woman cleared my exchange without the technical interview. I got the new monitor last week and knew right away it was another S-PVA. Any contrasty photos with dark areas look awful - shifty like one of those cheap 3D rings kids have.

So now I had 2 scrub monitors because Dell didn't include the return shipping labels they said would be in box with second monitor. So I called Dell and told them I don't want second monitor either because it's S-PVA. I told them the monitor is too dark and that I bought the 2007 specifically because it was S-IPS as mentioned in reviews and in forums (including Dell's).

I was then asked if I would be returning monitors or exchanging and I said "returning". I would have liked the Dell S-IPS at one time (I went to buy it before just as the banding thing blew up and so delayed) but at this point I want other monitors more now because I think they will be better even though they wil cost me more than the 339 I paid.

Right now I can say these monitors cost me more than that because I have a business and have had to take a lot of time to meet with delivery people and now again to send monitors back. I have had to explain my situation to about dozen people who were often hard to understand because of their accents , and who never seemed to understand me until I had repeated myself for the 4th time. Just getting through Dell's phone menu takes 15 minutes - and they sent me emails that had the situation backwards and I had to call to straighten those out. I have easily spent a couple days phoning, writing, re-packaging and waiting for delivery people.

Right now if Dell offered me a sure 2007WFP I wouldn't take it because Dell has too many QC issues (with the S-IPS too) and I now think other monitors are better or about to become so (even Dell has newer things on the way). There's a little bit of a "cabbage patch" thing going on with this monitor now, and I see people either very happy or very sad based on the service panel code and nothing much else. People cant explain why their panel is inferior in Dell forum when asked to do sp

The S-PVA isn't the worst I have seen for 340 USD and I don't regard the Dell S-IPS as the "God Panel" after following the long trail of issues with that. I'm new to LCD's but I don't regret not getting the Dell now because after all I have learned I think I'll end up with a better monitor all things considered. I see things I don't like about the Dell S-IPS and expect new monitors to be better if not as cheap. What I regret more than the panel is all the BS and time wasted over Dell's shaky practices and poor QC. I could have bought a thousand dollar monitor now with the time I will have wasted.

If people are home and have the time to waste I would say take a stab at the lottery for 339 dollars. Otherwise I would say forget it and just stay away from Dell and this monitor now. It's becoming more heat than light. If you do get tangled up with Dell tell them straight up you bought the 2007 and got the cootie version. I mean this is all pretty close to a bait and switch if you ask me and I think Dell knows some people are going to really have a problem with this.

Personally I had my lottery go and I feel like I am better off for missing the boat. I bought 2007 once in good faith and tried an exchange along with other isssues (pixels). I don't think its worth it to keep trying to milk it. I like the stand but thats only thing I'll miss. I'm sorry I didn't just trundle over to Circuit City and snag the NEC for 550 last week. I'll either get that or maybe a BenQ - if I just dont wait until next month since it seems some new stuff is about to pop up .

This week I was reading an interview with Seagates CEO. He said Dell did well in the 90's because they had a lot of enterprise/business sales. He said now that they are dealing with consumers they "don't get it". Right now they remind me of Gateway in the late mid 90's and I won't buy anything from them (or Sony) again until they fix their issues.

 

[Jodiuh]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
...I don't regard the Dell S-IPS as the "God Panel" after following the long trail of issues with that.

Sorry to hear of your issue mate. But have you seen the S-IPS 2007? As previously stated, I've owned the following:

Viewsonic VA2012
Viewsonic 2025MW
Sceptre XC20G
Gateway FPD21...
Samsung 205BW
Samsung 204B
Samsung 215TW?

I'm a picky, high demand type of guy and all of them fall far, far short of the LG S-IPS inside the lucky winner's 2007WFP. I can only hope in time, we see another company...LG/Phillips perhaps, release a reasonably priced S-IPS/no bullshit/all-the-time 20 or greater. And please give it height/rotation/etc...

 

[Baloonsquad]

I'm still having trouble making a decision on what kind of monitor to go after here. Picking CRTs was so much easier! I'm getting the impression that I either have to sacrifice alot in one area to have a monitor that's decent in another area, or keep mailing Dell monitors back until I finally get one that doesn't have a bargain basement panel.

I do game alot, but I also do homework and read forums quite a bit, so I guess not only is a decent response time important to me, but also crisp, readable text and good picture quality. I'm wary about getting a widescreen monitor, because I don't really want to have to deal with games that don't support it, or don't support it well.

What kind of monitor should I even be looking for? Any suggestions of particular models and why would be appreciated. I'd really like to try out an LCD monitor this time around, but I'm not really sure what to go for.

Like for example: the HP LP2065 looks like a nice huge screen with a high native resolution, and it seems to have that S-IPS panel that everyone says made the one particular type of Dell 2007FWPs so good, although, it says it has 8ms to 16ms response time depending on where you look, does that really make it so bad for gaming? I was under the impression that <20ms was acceptable in that regard, but its not even listed under Gaming or Multimedia use on the original post.

 

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btw can anyone in Canada confirm if they've received rev. A03 of the 2007wfp from dell? (or s-pva panel)

So far I think only the states has started massing those pva's......anyone?