LCD Buyer's Guide

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I guess it's time to contemplate again. New NEC or the Gateway...

Versus Gateway 21" widescreen? New NEC by a mile. The Gateway isn't really anything amazing. Don't take the HDCP support on the NEC as gospel. I'm not sure, and I've heard it's nowhere to be seen in the specifications.

Yea, I know the NEC >>> the Gateway, buuuut... the Gateway is at least $100 less.

 

[Zebo]

Gateway is VA - which means washed out looking IMO. Lower veiw angles. I'm not sure what you're looking for but I did'nt like it when I saw it. What's wrong with the Dell 2005?

 

[yacoub]

This thread is helpful info for gamers looking to buy > 20" LCDs, especially widescreen ones:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1809818&enterthread=y

Also this forum is helpful:
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com

 

[xtknight]

Response regarding 20WMGX2 and HDCP:

Dear Sir
The 20WMGX2 does support HDCP via the DVI-D connector.

S. Balgaroo
NEC Display Service & Support
Telephone: 1-800-632-4662
Email: techsupport@necdisplay.com

 

[MBrown]

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: junkyardDawg
saw this at newegg but I can't find any info on it, it's not even on Acer's website.

if those specs are right it might be a good budget VA screen

Wow, good find. I'm curious if this is an overdrive one or not. It looks like it uses the same panel as ViewSonic VP930b.

 

[darXoul]

The new NEC reviewed in English (ENG version of hardware.fr):

http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-...gx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html

... and in Norwegian (10/10 scores in all categories, plus the claim it's as fast as fastest TNs!!!):

http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=291139

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: darXoul
The new NEC reviewed in English (ENG version of hardware.fr):

http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-...gx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html

... and in Norwegian (10/10 scores in all categories, plus the claim it's as fast as fastest TNs!!!):

http://www.dinside.no/php/art.php?id=291139

Another detailed eng review..

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm


This monitor pwnz.

 

[DARQ MX]

really nice topic, but you should alsos talk about the fears of dead pixels, Which companies do or don't have it the most and which compaines to the most about it.

Also, mentioning what the diff is between XGA screens and the xtrabright technology.

 

[Ozmontus]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but between the Samsung 940B and the VP930b, which would be more ideal for extreme gaming and better quality picture? Less backlight leaking and such...I'm leaning toward the VP930 simply because of it being an 8 bit monitor.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Ozmontus
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but between the Samsung 940B and the VP930b, which would be more ideal for extreme gaming and better quality picture? Less backlight leaking and such...I'm leaning toward the VP930 simply because of it being an 8 bit monitor.

(I'm saying this as an owner of the VP930b.) The Samsung 940B will have less backlight bleeding. It's a known problem on the VP930b, and obvious on the VP930b compared to my old Samsung 710T. For gaming, the 940b might have less artifacts and it will have less blurring overall. Gaming was a much enjoyable experience on my 710T (TN), and still is on my VP930b, but I'd recommend the 940b for gaming. I wouldn't worry about 8-bit for gaming.

 

[Ozmontus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Ozmontus
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but between the Samsung 940B and the VP930b, which would be more ideal for extreme gaming and better quality picture? Less backlight leaking and such...I'm leaning toward the VP930 simply because of it being an 8 bit monitor.

(I'm saying this as an owner of the VP930b.) The Samsung 940B will have less backlight bleeding. It's a known problem on the VP930b, and obvious on the VP930b compared to my old Samsung 710T. For gaming, the 940b might have less artifacts and it will have less blurring overall. Gaming was a much enjoyable experience on my 710T (TN), and still is on my VP930b, but I'd recommend the 940b for gaming. I wouldn't worry about 8-bit for gaming.

Excellent, that has made up my mind. Now just for getting up to Germany... Thankyou xtknight!

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Another detailed eng review..

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm

Hehe, I thought it was new but it's the review straight from widescreengamingforum.com.

 

[TheRyuu]

To the OP, the VP930b is a true 8-bit panel. In the OP it says ?-bit.

I'm almost positive its an 8-bit. Also the X-light thing is there and I love it regardless.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
To the OP, the VP930b is a true 8-bit panel. In the OP it says ?-bit.

I'm almost positive its an 8-bit. Also the X-light thing is there and I love it regardless.

We're not sure if it's 8-bit now. Some artifacts have been seen in colors.

 

[roisin]

would somebody know if the new LG.Philips LM201U05 20" panel's real.life response time could be comparable to the panel in Nec 20WGX², that every review so far presents as the new king? It looks like the only 2 monitors that use that panel are BenQ FP2092 and LG L2000C, and possibly the newly introduced NEC LCD2090UXi.

they list it with the same parameters as the 20" wideangle panel here: http://www.flatpanels.dk/nyhed.php?suba...1140483196&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&

they sell that benq here for a fairly good price, LG one hasnt made it here yet

thanks

 

[Zebo]

roisin welcome to anandtech


excellent first contribution... a lot of us have been looking for this information.. (the exact LG/philips panel part numbers for the new AS-IPS's)

Obviously the LM201W01 is the NEC's being it's 1680x1050 pixels like the new NEC - while the LM201U05 is the L2000C and maybe the benQ you mention as it's 1600x1200 pixels..

edit: i'm concerned you think the FP2092 is AS-IPS like the link taks about..I checked for you.. I bet it's PVA as it states 12ms response which is in line with PVA tech..The LG L2000C is 8ms like LM201U05 is supposed to be.. The NEC LCD2090UXi seems to be old tech S-IPS as they list 16ms reponse... more research needed obviously but I'd hold off until you're certain.



DAR- see! both two 20's and a WS 23" there..should be coming down the pike soon in retail product for ya in all flavors I'm 100% sure now L2000C 16x12 is next gen AS-IPS thanks to roisins link. LM230WU3 is for you. 6ms AS-IPS :Q 23 inch WS BBQ baby!!! Or you could just get LG now and be a pioneer!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
LCD Buyer's Guide
[S-IPS (Super In Plane Switching/In Phase State/LG.Philips LCD/Hitachi/Sharp/Mitsubishi): Typically demands a price premium, however this type of panel delivers excellent viewing angle, CRT-like colors with less gamma/gray shift, and has a response time somewhere in between TN and modern VA technologies. However the brightness does suffer a bit on this display. Eizo's ColorEdge monitors mostly use this type of panel for their excellent gamut and minimal viewing angle distortion..

This probably should be edited at this point w/ next gen overdrive S-IPS hitting... The NEC w/ AS-IPS is brightest monitor behardware.com ever tested... at least as fast as TN and superior the VA 10-12ms...blacks are right there with VA too... Basically superior in every way, but price, to other two main TFT techs.

": ViewSonic VP930b 1280x1024 (5:4)
Panel: AUO M190EG01 V0 (P-MVA ?-bit)

It's 8 bit.

21.3": NEC MultiSync LCD2180WG-LED-BK ...

Price: $6749.99 USD

LOL what are they trying to pull... ..If I were Gates rich no monitor is worth 7K.

 

[roisin]

http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php says that benq fp2092 should come with the LG.Philips LM201U05 panel, however benq might be shipping them with a mva panel, like LG does with L2040P (also said to be the new fast s-ips, yet behardware found it to come with an AUO mva panel) http://www.behardware.com/articles/598-7/20-inches-lcd-p-mva-vs-s-ips.html

 

[Zebo]

Neither have LM201U05 in there too slow from previous link.

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: Zebo
excellent first contribution... a lot of us have been looking for this information.. (the exact LG/philips panel part numbers for the new AS-IPS's)

Don't wanna spoil the welcome party but I posted the flatpanels.dk link a long time ago

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1808348&enterthread=y

DAR- see! both two 20's and a WS 23" there..should be coming down the pike soon in retail product for ya in all flavors I'm 100% sure now L2000C 16x12 is next gen AS-IPS thanks to roisins link. LM230WU3 is for you. 6ms AS-IPS :Q 23 inch WS BBQ baby!!! Or you could just get LG now and be a pioneer!

Yea, I know... Dammit! I want one know! I called LG Poland today and the morons didn't even know where and IF the monitor would be available here. Ridiculous. The dude said "yes, we are considering selling some 20" displays but please check the site in 1-2 months". ROFL.

Looks like I have three options:

- grab the small and glossy NEC LCD20WGX2;
- stick with my CRT and wait for the LG L2000C which might take forever;
- stick with my CRT and wait for a 23" 6 ms widescreen which might take forever as well;
- grab the angle-dependent, color-inferior and possibly even less responsive Samsung 204B.

Decisions, decisions...

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: Zebo
excellent first contribution... a lot of us have been looking for this information.. (the exact LG/philips panel part numbers for the new AS-IPS's)

Don't wanna spoil the welcome party but I posted the flatpanels.dk link a long time ago

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1808348&enterthread=y

DAR- see! both two 20's and a WS 23" there..should be coming down the pike soon in retail product for ya in all flavors I'm 100% sure now L2000C 16x12 is next gen AS-IPS thanks to roisins link. LM230WU3 is for you. 6ms AS-IPS :Q 23 inch WS BBQ baby!!! Or you could just get LG now and be a pioneer!

Yea, I know... Dammit! I want one know! I called LG Poland today and the morons didn't even know where and IF the monitor would be available here. Ridiculous. The dude said "yes, we are considering selling some 20" displays but please check the site in 1-2 months". ROFL.

Looks like I have four options:

- grab the small and glossy NEC LCD20WGX2;
- stick with my CRT and wait for the LG L2000C which might take forever;
- stick with my CRT and wait for a 23" 6 ms widescreen which might take forever as well;
- grab the angle-dependent, color-inferior and possibly even less responsive Samsung 204B.

Decisions, decisions...

 

[roisin]

well LG seems to lie with the L2040P model http://www.behardware.com/articles/598-7/20-inches-lcd-p-mva-vs-s-ips.html
they might as well lie with the L2000C, so dont hop on it before somebody reviews it first

 

[darXoul]

Just two brief user reviews available on Newegg. Hell, I might just get the NEC.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: DARQ MX
really nice topic, but you should alsos talk about the fears of dead pixels, Which companies do or don't have it the most and which compaines to the most about it.

Hmm.. Well dead pixels can show up anywhere (though less widespread today). All the companies seem to have the same horrible policy about them but I'll link to a matrix of policies if I can find it.

Also, mentioning what the diff is between XGA screens and the xtrabright technology.

XGA is a connotation for 1024x768 and the contrast technologies are discussed under OptiClear.