LCD Buyer's Guide

[hondaf17]

Want to sell your 37'' sceptre?

 

[VenomXTF]

ST, you have the first version of the X37, after which they used different finish on the LCD case (version 2 and 3 sets). It's darker nicely finished plastic with a black border around the LCD screen that looks similar to Panny Plasmas, instead of the ugly medium grey plastic... though they never got rid of the crappy silkscreens.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: VenomXTF
ST, you have the first version of the X37, after which they used different finish on the LCD case (version 2 and 3 sets). It's darker nicely finished plastic with a black border around the LCD screen that looks similar to Panny Plasmas, instead of the ugly medium grey plastic... though they never got rid of the crappy silkscreens.

Thanks for the info Venom - haven't kept up with the Sceptre 37" since a whle back. It served its purpose well as an HTPC display and this new 42" is great as well, albeit the silkscreens again. Been trying to figure out a way to remove them without damaging the finish. BTW> Is that your own review of the Sceptre on HH?

 

[VenomXTF]

Yes sir, any comments are welcome.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: VenomXTF
Yes sir, any comments are welcome.

nice review!

If you have access to a spyder calibration unit, i would also love to see some r/g/b temp readings and the monitor's conformity to them and user selected ability to manipulate color/brightness/contrast/lamp control (i found them lacking on my old 37" set). Denoting the differences between v1-3 would also be nice. Also, found a way to rub off the white silkscreen on my 42" using goo-goo off!

btw> I also had the 37" westy v.1 if anyone has any questions on it.

 

[Krelian99]

ok guys
I need help

I've opened a thread few days ago
here

but just received couple of answers

yeah, I know I'm such a n00b

I'm totally, utterly disappointed with my Samsung 740B
or maybe I'm just too picky
thing is I've had lots of LCD monitors (last 2 were a Dell 1702 and a 5 years old Iyama) and never had an issue (this includes my 2 laptops)

It's so damn bright my eyes burn. Text looks like crap and not focused. It also gives me headache and a sense of nausea
Does it depend on the very low response time?

what monitor do you guys suggest? I couldn't care less about FPSs
I was thinking about the Dell 1704FPV (25ms, 1000:1 contrast)

thanks in advance

 

[roisin]

i bought benq fp2092 today, it should come with LG.Philips LM201U05 according to flatpanels.dk
the pixperan images..., i took couple shots with my 350d, it seems, the average rusult is the same as these 2: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?...=103&p1=1026&ma2=53&mo2=60&p2=681&ph=1
everything else is pretty much similar to what you would expect from a s-ips philips panel, the silver benq bezel looks nice, the stand however takes up too much of my desk space

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Krelian99
ok guys
I need help

I've opened a thread few days ago
here

but just received couple of answers

yeah, I know I'm such a n00b

I'm totally, utterly disappointed with my Samsung 740B
or maybe I'm just too picky
thing is I've had lots of LCD monitors (last 2 were a Dell 1702 and a 5 years old Iyama) and never had an issue (this includes my 2 laptops)

It's so damn bright my eyes burn. Text looks like crap and not focused. It also gives me headache and a sense of nausea
Does it depend on the very low response time?

what monitor do you guys suggest? I couldn't care less about FPSs
I was thinking about the Dell 1704FPV (25ms, 1000:1 contrast)

thanks in advance

Maybe give the BenQ FP71G+ a try.

 

[samduhman]

Check this one out. Acer AL1951C

Supposedly Acers gamer LCD and even supports 8bit color (16.7million)

I only found one users review for it. What do you think of it?

 

[JediJorgie]

The Benq FP91G+ is now $210 AR at Newegg (plus shipping) :Q

This monitor is looking extremely tempting now, but I don't know if I should get this or the Dell 1907FP.

Edit: Some time within the last 20 minutes Newegg bumped the price to $220 AR. Still a good price.

Edit2: Ok, nevermind, Newegg went back to $230 AR, but added free shipping.

 

[xtknight]

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1945215,00.asp

Dell 2007WFP fares very well so I've added it to recommendations. For movie watching, I recommend the 2007WFP and not the NEC 20WMGX2 because of the glossy finish.

 

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: xtknight
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1945215,00.asp

Dell 2007WFP fares very well so I've added it to recommendations. For movie watching, I recommend the 2007WFP and not the NEC 20WMGX2 because of the glossy finish.

Omg.. decisions, decisions...

Question about opticlear:

I've nvr seen an LCD with a glossy finish before but I have seen laptops that look like they have a thin layer of shiny plastic over the screen.. like some sort of sticker. Is that the same thing?

EDIT: is the 2007WFP HDCP?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Excellent source. Bookmarked. Any thoughts (anyone) on wether the Dell 2007FP and Dell 2007WFP are essentially camparable panels other than the aspect ratio. The WFP version seem to be getting lots of exposure in reviews, and several recommendations in this buyers guide here, but nothing for he FP version. Personally in 20" size, I prefer the thicker 4:3 monitor.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: guidryp
Excellent source. Bookmarked. Any thoughts (anyone) on wether the Dell 2007FP and Dell 2007WFP are essentially camparable panels other than the aspect ratio. The WFP version seem to be getting lots of exposure in reviews, and several recommendations in this buyers guide here, but nothing for he FP version. Personally in 20" size, I prefer the thicker 4:3 monitor.

I'd wait for reviews first before drawing any conclusions about the Dell 2007FP, but as far as I know, it uses the same panel as the LG L2000C which is a high-contrast monitor that uses one of the new AS-IPS panels.

I've heard conflicting info on whether the 2007WFP supports HDCP. The NEC 20WMGX2 (US) supports HDCP, while the European version, the NEC LCD20WGX2 does not, and we are sure of these.

 

[xtknight]

New high-contrast/new CCFL TNs (equivalent to dithering PVAs except for viewing angle but a lot faster?):

http://www.behardware.com/news/8038/cebit-lcd-lg-1600-1-contrast-ratio.html
http://www.beareyes.com.cn/2/lib/200602/18/20060218025.htm
http://www.flatpanels.dk/l1770h.php
http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/063/8/242865_2.htm

The LG L1770H may be somewhere between $340 USD (converted from £195) and $420 USD (converted from ?340).

 

[yacoub]

Any idea why the 2007FPW was kept at x1050 instead of making it a much more useful x1080 resolution (with whatever natural necessary increase in horizontal resolution as well to keep the right ratio)?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: yacoub
Any idea why the 2007FPW was kept at x1050 instead of making it a much more useful x1080 resolution (with whatever natural necessary increase in horizontal resolution as well to keep the right ratio)?

The extra height is a compromise between desktop usage and movie watching.

 

[Krelian99]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Maybe give the BenQ FP71G+ a try.

Originally posted by: samduhman
Check this one out. Acer AL1951C

Supposedly Acers gamer LCD and even supports 8bit color (16.7million)

I only found one users review for it. What do you think of it?

thanks a lot

however it still seems a gaming monitor to me
what I need is a general purpouse monitor, not so bright and with....hmm...let's say some washed out colors

I was asking about the 1704 as those are the monitors we have at the univesrity and I'm pretty comfortable with it

has anybody ever owned one of them?

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: yacoub
Any idea why the 2007FPW was kept at x1050 instead of making it a much more useful x1080 resolution (with whatever natural necessary increase in horizontal resolution as well to keep the right ratio)?

The extra height is a compromise between desktop usage and movie watching.

Extra height? You mean lack of height. It's 30 pixels shorter than 1080. What's the compromise between exactly? 960 and 1080? Going so close to 1080 without hitting it is rather disappointing. 30 more pixels would gain them more buyers and the ability to call it a 1080p display. They could market it more strongly and sell more of them and probably even command a slightly higher price.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: yacoub
Any idea why the 2007FPW was kept at x1050 instead of making it a much more useful x1080 resolution (with whatever natural necessary increase in horizontal resolution as well to keep the right ratio)?

The extra height is a compromise between desktop usage and movie watching.

Extra height? You mean lack of height. It's 30 pixels shorter than 1080. What's the compromise between exactly? 960 and 1080? Going so close to 1080 without hitting it is rather disappointing. 30 more pixels would gain them more buyers and the ability to call it a 1080p display. They could market it more strongly and sell more of them and probably even command a slightly higher price.

Assuming equal width, 16:10 aspect ratio is taller than 16:9. (e.g. 1920x1200 monitor vs. 1920x1080). You are comparing different size monitors (20.1" 1680x1050 to ~24" 1920x1080) with different pixels in width so you can't use both 1920 and 1680 as a factor of 16 when comparing the two based on the height difference. The 1680x1050 would be far from 1080i anyway because there needs to be 1920 wide also.

I'd rather have a true 16:9 to be honest too but I can live with the 16:10 with 15 pixel black bars on both top and bottom if need be. That is VERY small (less than half of the width of your fingernail tall for the dot pitch of nearly any LCD, especially one with as low a dot pitch as the 20.1" widescreens). They might also be doing 16:10 because of LCD substrate differences.

 

[Luddite]

CNET Reviews for the Dell 2007FP

And the Dell 2007WFP

 

[Heartbreaker]

Thanks, A bit light on content. Looks like one person did the review and the other cribbed it. A little bit of Concern about FP DVD playback. You would think with a new generation screen that would be OK. Need more reviews.

 

[Starbuck1975]

CNET Reviews for the Dell 2007FP And the Dell 2007WFP

What is the difference between the 2007FP and 2007WFP? One is wide and one isn't?

Also, I may be mistaken, but isn't the 2007WFP essentially the same monitor as the 2005WFP? Right now, Dell.com is showing the 2007 & 2005 at the same price, but I would imagine they will put the 2005s on clearance soon?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

CNET Reviews for the Dell 2007FP And the Dell 2007WFP

What is the difference between the 2007FP and 2007WFP?

Also, I may be mistaken, but isn't the 2007WFP essentially the same monitor as the 2005WFP? Right now, Dell.com is showing the 2007 & 2005 at the same price, but I would imagine they will put the 2005s on clearance soon?

Dell monitors with W are widescreen:
2007FP is 20" 4:3 1600x1200.
2007WFP is 20" 16:10 1680x1050.

I prefer the FP for the extra screen real estate and compatablity with with my work sessions which are 1600x1200 on a 21" trinitron. Though Widescreen seems much more fashionable these days and all anyone seems to be reviewing.

I would love to see a 2007fp vs 2007wfp review to see if it is only the aspect ratio that is different.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Dell monitors with W are widescreen:
2007FP is 20" 4:3 1600x1200.
2007WFP is 20" 16:10 1680x1050.

I prefer the FP for the extra screen real estate and compatablity with with my work sessions which are 1600x1200 on a 21" trinitron. Though Widescreen seems much more fashionable these days and all anyone seems to be reviewing.

I would love to see a 2007fp vs 2007wfp review to see if it is only the aspect ratio that is different

Well...my interest is primarily as a gamer...I currently have a Samsung 900NF CRT that is starting to die, and am debating taking the LCD plunge.

I have heard that most of the LCDs based on the LG.Philips LM201W01 (AS-IPS 8-bit, newer revision) have a decent mix of color intensity and response for gamers. I believe this is the same panel that Apple uses on their cinema displays?

I have read some caution against the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 1680x1050 (16:10) due to scaling issues, but apparently this isn't a problem with the Dell widescreens?