LCD Buyer's Guide

[samduhman]

Viewsonic VX922 $329 shipped from Newegg while the NEC 90GX2 is ruffly $445 after $30 rebate. Is the NEC worth paying another $116? From looking at the user reviews on the VX922 on Newegg they are pretty darn happy with it, 466 people to be exact.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: samduhman

Viewsonic VX922 $329 shipped from Newegg while the NEC 90GX2 is ruffly $445 after $30 rebate. Is the NEC worth paying another $116? From looking at the user reviews on the VX922 on Newegg they are pretty darn happy with it, 466 people to be exact.

Well, I'm not sure, I haven't seen them in person, but I hear that the 90GX2 is better in terms of colors because of the contrast coating and dynamic contrast adjustment (much like the 20WMGX2). They should be the same in response time.

 

[samduhman]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: samduhman

Viewsonic VX922 $329 shipped from Newegg while the NEC 90GX2 is ruffly $445 after $30 rebate. Is the NEC worth paying another $116? From looking at the user reviews on the VX922 on Newegg they are pretty darn happy with it, 466 people to be exact.

Well, I'm not sure, I haven't seen them in person, but I hear that the 90GX2 is better in terms of colors because of the contrast coating and dynamic contrast adjustment (much like the 20WMGX2). They should be the same in response time.

Ya this is a tuff call. I "think" I've narrowed it down between these two and for $329 the Viewsonic is awefully tempting. I may still go with a 20" screen, Dell 2007WFP. The 20WMGX2 is to expensive for my budget.

 

[xtknight]

Here's some NEC 20WMGX2 pics :Q : http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1043429

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ST
Finally got a chance to take a pic of my new Sceptre 42" 1920x1080p LCD TV:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/stranx44/sp04-3006.jpg

Needless to say it's great, but playing Oblivion on it is giving me headaches!

Heh, that's a lot of CPUIDs. Why do you think you get headaches? Is the backlight too bright?

Originally posted by: samduhman
Ya this is a tuff call. I "think" I've narrowed it down between these two and for $329 the Viewsonic is awefully tempting. I may still go with a 20" screen, Dell 2007WFP. The 20WMGX2 is to expensive for my budget.

I say go for the Dell 2007WFP if you can afford it. I'd inevitably do that if I were you, anyway. But the other TNs would be faster for gaming. Colors and screen uniformity/black level mean more to me personally, and the 2007WFP is probably just fine for gaming as well. If not heaven with the widescreen aspect ratio.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: darXoul
I'm gonna see the 90GX2 in some real gaming action this week, maybe even tonight.
...
Once I see the 90GX2, I can report here with "CRT guy plays on LCD" impressions

Good luck, I look forward to hearing from those types.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Anyone looking for large WS should make Philips 230WP7NS part of short list IMO. I want to order one but my video card can barley handle my 20". So that means SLI which so far I have refused to do due to noise considerations.

That's what's keeping me from getting one of those big screens (aside from lack of money). If I have to have a $1000 video card to drive it, sorry, no thanks. 1280x1024 is just fine for me if it's smooth and if it's as good as looking out a window. 1680x1050 would be more than enough for me in fact... Even my 7800GT has trouble driving 1280x1024 to my expectations and to think it would be running a 1900x1200 display is just absurd. :Q The SLI would probably really only benefit pixel shader power (vertex on a single card would be adequate?), whereas I definitely need more bandwidth in that case. I would rather wait for a high-bandwidth GPU to come out rather than spend money on two low-bandwidth ones soon to become outdated with the advent of high resolutions and SSAA.

 

[xtknight]

- flatpanels.dk completely redesigned their site and have more info (if you read Danish that is): http://www.flatpanels.dk/

- Tom's Hardware Guide ASUS PW191 review: http://www.tomshardware.fr/asus-pw191-u...-hardware-article-moniteur-1213-1.html

- Huge 20" display roundup (but no Dell 2007WFP): http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-203.html

I've heard nothing but good things about the ViewSonic VX2025WM so I've added it to recommendations. $400 for a 20" widescreen, how can you beat that? http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/guides/viewsonic_vx2025wm.htm I wish I had jumped on that one vs. the $450 (at the time) VP930b. It even looks like it may be 8-bit. samduhman, did you consider this display?

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: ST
Finally got a chance to take a pic of my new Sceptre 42" 1920x1080p LCD TV:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/stranx44/sp04-3006.jpg

Needless to say it's great, but playing Oblivion on it is giving me headaches!

Heh, that's a lot of CPUIDs. Why do you think you get headaches? Is the backlight too bright?

Do screwed up on the link. Should be: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/stranx44/htp2c.jpg

But I think the headaches / dizzyness is due to not having a proper horizon. Since the TV is so big, and you get fully immersed in it, your sense of equilibrium can get out of whack easily. I still get some even sitting very far back like 8 ft away).

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: ST
Do screwed up on the link. Should be: http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/stranx44/htp2c.jpg

But I think the headaches / dizzyness is due to not having a proper horizon. Since the TV is so big, and you get fully immersed in it, your sense of equilibrium can get out of whack easily. I still get some even sitting very far back like 8 ft away).

(Your sig link got broken as well.)

Yeah that is pretty darned huge. Do you think it's better than a Plasma?

 

[Luddite]

Originally posted by: xtknight
- flatpanels.dk completely redesigned their site and have more info (if you read Danish that is): http://www.flatpanels.dk/

- Tom's Hardware Guide ASUS PW191 review: http://www.tomshardware.fr/asus-pw191-u...-hardware-article-moniteur-1213-1.html

- Huge 20" display roundup (but no Dell 2007WFP): http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-203.html

I've heard nothing but good things about the ViewSonic VX2025WM so I've added it to recommendations. $400 for a 20" widescreen, how can you beat that? http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/guides/viewsonic_vx2025wm.htm I wish I had jumped on that one vs. the $450 (at the time) VP930b. It even looks like it may be 8-bit. samduhman, did you consider this display?

Thanks, xtknight. Yeah, that Viewsonic VX2025WM looks sweet with nice specs, considering it's a P-MVA panel. And no glossy screen! I haven't seen anything negative about it either yet. I notice Viewsonic has a similar P-MVA panel, Viewsonic VX2022WM, boasting a 3 ms (g2g) response time.

Regarding the recomended list in the guide: I see you have only one recommended monitor for photo editing. Is that because nothing comes close to that two year old NEC model? I would have thought something from Eizo or the new NEC 2090UXi might have made it on to the list.

The new flatpanels.dk website looks better now. I've been trying to keep up with the english discussion forum. I've seen your recent posts there (xtknight, you're such a forum slut! ... Ha ha). BTW, I actually do read a little Danish (my folks are from Denmark), so if anyone gets stuck on something they need translated, I'll try to help. No guarantees of accuracy though. And if anyone clicked on to the new site and couldn't find the panel look up feature, it's under the Danish phrase 'Panelsogning' [i.e. panel search].

Panelsogning There is a blue icon on this page to click for the english version of panel search.

 

[Psyde]

Hello everyone,

I'm probably going to purchase a 20" widescreen LCD soon, since my good old CRT is showing its age. At this point, I've narrowed down my choices to two monitors: Dell 2007WFP and Viewsonic VX2025. I would love the NEC, but it's out of my price range.

I need a monitor that can do a little of everything: games, movies, viewing pictures, and work. Given that the Dell is $100 more expensive and "may" have color banding issues (a concern when viewing pictures), would you recommend the Viewsonic instead?

Thanks,
Psyde

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Psyde
I need a monitor that can do a little of everything: games, movies, viewing pictures, and work. Given that the Dell is $100 more expensive and "may" have color banding issues (a concern when viewing pictures), would you recommend the Viewsonic instead?

Welcome...

I would recommend the VX2025WM over the Dell at this point. Bit-tech gave it a very good rating and it probably won't have as bad color banding issues as the Dell 2007WFP. Plus it may be higher contrast. The VX2025WM looks like a good buy to me.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Luddite
Thanks, xtknight. Yeah, that Viewsonic VX2025WM looks sweet with nice specs, considering it's a P-MVA panel. And no glossy screen! I haven't seen anything negative about it either yet. I notice Viewsonic has a similar P-MVA panel, Viewsonic VX2022WM, boasting a 3 ms (g2g) response time.

Hmm...a Google search for "VX2022WM" reveals a single Taiwanese site... I'm not sure. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=VX2022WM&btnG=Google+Search

Regarding the recomended list in the guide: I see you have only one recommended monitor for photo editing. Is that because nothing comes close to that two year old NEC model? I would have thought something from Eizo or the new NEC 2090UXi might have made it on to the list.

Well AFAIK none of the Eizos have LED backlights at the moment (better color gamut) but I'll verify that. Not sure what NEC has out these days with regards to photo-editing.

I've seen your recent posts there (xtknight, you're such a forum slut! ... Ha ha).

This is what happens when I grind my own coffee over school vacation, I make 10 posts a minute.

Yeah, thankfully the panel search English link still works (the URL is the same).

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: xtknight
CP5670: I think you'd be happiest with the 70GX2. While TN and 6-bit, its brother, the 90GX2, is reported to have the best colors of any of the TN screens. I haven't seen any reviews of the 70GX2 so I can't confirm that though. If you're sensitive to the screen door effect then you should probably turn away from 19" screens. Wanting the coating unfortunately limits your options. But the only thing the 70GX2 is missing is the integrated speakers. I don't think you are going to get any closer than the 70GX2 though. Looking at Buy.com's policy that seems to be the case but I haven't ordered from them. I have always ordered from Newegg and have had no dead pixels.

Thanks for the suggestion, the 70GX2 was also my first choice out of those. Does the screen door effect depend on the pixel size though? My laptop has pretty small pixels (14" at 1400x1050) but the screen door effect on it is simply horrendous.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Thanks for the suggestion, the 70GX2 was also my first choice out of those. Does the screen door effect depend on the pixel size though? My laptop has pretty small pixels (14" at 1400x1050) but the screen door effect on it is simply horrendous.

Yeah, the bigger the pixels, the worse the screen door effect, probably.

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: xtknight

(Your sig link got broken as well.)

Yeah that is pretty darned huge. Do you think it's better than a Plasma?

Thanks...corrected that as well (stayed up too late last night

In terms of standard TV viewing, I don't think any LCD will touch the vibrance and blacks of Plasma...but throw it on an HTPC system, and the 1920x1080 resolution should level the playing field in terms of clarity.

 

[xtknight]

Hmm...many people are dissatisfied with their Dell 2007WFP. I think I'm going to remove it from recommendations in favor of the ViewSonic VX2025WM.

 

[silrais2]

I've spent the last week doing research on current LCD trends and reading every review I can find. Unfortunately, I'm still torn on what to purchase.

I'm looking to purchase several new LCDs which will be used for a wide range of applications - gaming, photo editing, video, and general office tasks. Ideal budget is between $250-350 per unit, but if it's a unit that I could see myself using for several years then I'll consider the investment.

My current considerations are as follows, but please don't hesitate to mention any that aren't listed. My experience with Dells has been plagued with EDID corruption, so I'd like to avoid those for the time being.

NEC 1970GX
Samsung 940B
Viewsonic VX922
Hyundai Q90U
LG L1920PQ
Sceptre X9g-Naga V
BenQ FP91G+

NOTE: I typically run dual-monitor setups, so a thin bezel design is helpful.

Thanks in advance!

 

[xtknight]

Welcome...

Originally posted by: silrais2
I've spent the last week doing research on current LCD trends and reading every review I can find. Unfortunately, I'm still torn on what to purchase.

I'm looking to purchase several new LCDs which will be used for a wide range of applications - gaming, photo editing, video, and general office tasks. Ideal budget is between $250-350 per unit, but if it's a unit that I could see myself using for several years then I'll consider the investment.

My current considerations are as follows, but please don't hesitate to mention any that aren't listed. My experience with Dells has been plagued with EDID corruption, so I'd like to avoid those for the time being.

NEC 1970GX
Samsung 940B
Viewsonic VX922
Hyundai Q90U
LG L1920PQ
Sceptre X9g-Naga V
BenQ FP91G+

NOTE: I typically run dual-monitor setups, so a thin bezel design is helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Do you mean one LCD will be used for photo-editing and the other will be used for gaming, for example?

Well, for photo-editing and video the ViewSonic VX2025WM ($400) looks great but it's a 20" widescreen. I assume you wanted a 19". The ViewSonic VP930b should be better for photo-editing than any of the TN screens you listed, and its bezel is very thin.

For gaming, the ViewSonic VX922 is perfect unless you really want to spend the money for the NEC 90GX2.

For general office, pretty much any of those should do.

 

[jreall]

Hi

Noticed that the 20.1" Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP was in your General Usage Recommendations this morning but has now disappeared. What was the reason for this?

Jess

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jreall
Hi

Noticed that the 20.1" Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP was in your General Usage Recommendations this morning but has now disappeared. What was the reason for this?

Jess

Originally posted by: xtknight
Hmm...many people are dissatisfied with their Dell 2007WFP. I think I'm going to remove it from recommendations in favor of the ViewSonic VX2025WM.

It had problems in some theoretical tests like grayscale. Said problems aren't a huge deal for most people but the ViewSonic VX2025WM remains the better choice.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Here's some NEC 20WMGX2 pics :Q : http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1043429

Pwnage!!! That's exactly how it looks in RL!

I wish I could take pics like this so I could show you guys how strong 20WMGX is over my Dells and 2070 CRT.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Zebo
Anyone looking for large WS should make Philips 230WP7NS part of short list IMO. I want to order one but my video card can barley handle my 20". So that means SLI which so far I have refused to do due to noise considerations.

That's what's keeping me from getting one of those big screens (aside from lack of money). If I have to have a $1000 video card to drive it, sorry, no thanks. 1280x1024 is just fine for me if it's smooth and if it's as good as looking out a window. 1680x1050 would be more than enough for me in fact... Even my 7800GT has trouble driving 1280x1024 to my expectations and to think it would be running a 1900x1200 display is just absurd. :Q The SLI would probably really only benefit pixel shader power (vertex on a single card would be adequate?), whereas I definitely need more bandwidth in that case. I would rather wait for a high-bandwidth GPU to come out rather than spend money on two low-bandwidth ones soon to become outdated with the advent of high resolutions and SSAA.

Well my computer is competely silent (water cooled tripple radded 120mm nexus fans at 5 V and Seasonic PSU) If I added another card it would dump an additional 100W into loop making me either A) have to buy a larger rad which they don't make and won't fit in order to keep noise down or B) turn up fan RPM's also unacceptable. And C get a more powerful PSU thus more noise. So yea Cost, logistics and noise. Plus you have the fact single cards trump SLI's every eight to twelve months.

 

[DangerDave]

Whats better a Dell 2001fp or a Dell 2007fp? I'm gonna be using it for gaming and non professional photoshop work, and some movie watching; so basically, overall performance.