Originally posted by: Loque
I am not a widescreen convert either. I just wish there were more panel options available in 1600x1200 (or even 19"), especially a decent AS-IPS equivalent (preferably non-glossy) to the NEC 20WGX2 or at least a S-IPS without banding. I think you were looking for something along these lines too, guidryp?
I noticed this new and very positive review of the IPS-based LG L2000C at Les Numeriques: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-203-1109-35.html. No mention of banding. The new review also seemed to find the LG to be fairly responsive. But I am confused about the panel and specs of this model: many sources show the LG having the same panel as the 2000FP, except LG rates its model at a lower 8ms and Les Numeriques makes the L2000C out to be the 'first' 1600x1200 IPS at this faster speed. Similarly strange, are the specs of the new IPS BenQ FP2092 (12ms g2g, 700:1, 420 cd/m2) which many sources also say has the same panel as the 2000FP.
Until this gets sorted, or Dell releases a 2000FP revision with IPS but without banding, I've been looking at TN models which have not been entirely satisfactory. I may check out a 930P or 2030b given all the good press.
The more compromises and problems I see in LCDs, the more I *really* look forward to SED monitors...
That is depressing news about the timeline for SEDs and OLEDs. Others seem more hopeful about SED though, so I'm curious why, guidryp, you say SED computer monitors are unlikely to be produced.
I did find Custom PC's review of the L2000C with the report of banding that you and xtknight are probably referring to. I guess I was hoping that no mention of banding in the Les Numeriques review meant it was not terribly prominent. Either way I am in Canada too so ordering an L2000C, though possible, would be tricky and returning one would be nearly impossible. I would still love to try an IPS based 2007FP but it seems that all the new units ordered through Dell.ca are PVA like yours, so getting an IPS will be difficult (at least until Dell starts re-selling all the returned units). As for the FP2092, I guess we will have to wait for confirmation on the panel. Flatpanels.dk claims an IPS panel and BenQ advertises 178/178 viewing angles, but who knows.
I hope new IPS models come out soon. If not I've actually considered trying one of the old LM201U04 based units. You can't buy a 2001FP new in Canada but Ramstore.ca sells the FP2091 much cheaper than Dell and there are some VP201b units around. The NEC 2070NX is also available here through ca.buy.com with 30 day return policy. Trying models like these may be a step backwards but can anyone explain the basic limitations of
Originally posted by: Keeir
Situation: I have the results of a IT survey at a company where 108 Viewsonic (fairly good) CRTs were replaced with Dell 1905 20ms monitors
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My own observation is that the Monitor does ghost
In ghosts in several CAD programs very noticably because of the unfortunate choice of background color several make. It ghosts in FEA work and it ghosts in office work. But, most of the people didn't seem to mind
Originally posted by: farp96
Yeah the only thing I don't like is the price. I can get it for about $480. And for that their's alot of 8 bit as well as 21 inch lcd's for the same price or even less....
Originally posted by: ickingfudiot
Originally posted by: farp96
Yeah the only thing I don't like is the price. I can get it for about $480. And for that their's alot of 8 bit as well as 21 inch lcd's for the same price or even less....
Where can you get the 20wmgx2 for $480?
Originally posted by: DangerDave
xtknight, you should update the prices on these monitors; price is a big factor for most people. The 90GX2 is only $380 now. Shoot, the ViewSonic VX922 is only $270. These things are just getting ridiculously cheap.
Originally posted by: MarkShot
Suppose you just got a new LCD. Is there a standard self test suite you can step through in order to evaluate the monitor and make sure things are working right and you are happy with it?
Thanks.
Originally posted by: Slickone
I've been using my Acer AL1916ASD (6 bit) for 2 weeks now, but I think I'm going to return it. I hate to after getting a good deal on it. But even after 2 weeks, I just can't get used to it. It's just too bright, unless you turn it down so far that white becomes a dark dirty/off-white, grey/yellow.
The graphics aren't as sharp looking as my CRT, including text, which strains my eyes more than my CRT. I do have Cleartype on. I am using the analog input, but some have said, that are running 2 of these LCDs and comparing side by side analog/digital, there's little to no difference they noticed.
The colors aren't near as vibrant as my CRT. Everything looks very washed out. Is that, or any of this, just because it's a 6 bit LCD, because it's a lower quality LCD panel (or both), or this what any LCD is going to look like?
As some have said in various threads on here, I think many people are overwhelmed by the cool factor of a flat panel and just don't realize the picture is likely inferior to their CRT, assuming they had a good quality CRT. Or don't want to admit they took a step backward after spending the money on the LCD.
I took some pictures of my screens with my camera. A crude method, yes, but it proves the picture differences, at least with this LCD. And the difference is much more dramatic in real life than what the pictures can show. The camera made the CRT a little less sharp. I took this at 50/50 brightness/contrast on the LCD. If the whole pic doesn't fit your screen, scroll to near the bottom right of each picture. Open each in a separate window, line the pics up and A-B them. BTW, my CRT is a Sony GDM-400PS (aperature grill).
CRT:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2338/housecrt8jm.jpg
LCD:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2182/houselcd0nf.jpg
Also it has a light fringing problem on the edges. Especially at the top middle, mine goes out at least 1/2" on black screens. Many that got this model reported this. Does this occur with any LCD? It's annoying. And black isn't black.
And it's pretty sensitive to viewing angle.
Where can you get the 20wmgx2 for $480?
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
xtknight, was wondering if you have any information on the LG 20.1" L203WT widescreen flat panel monitor.
I wonder if LG intends to release a 20.1" widescreen using their LM201W01 panel?
Originally posted by: JediJorgie
Any thoughts on the Benq FP93G? Comparing it to the FP91G+, the 93 has a slightly faster response time (6 instead of 8 ms),
higher contrast ratio (700 compared to 550), and it looks like it has a slimmer bezel, which I really like. Other than that, they look
the same.
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: JediJorgie
Any thoughts on the Benq FP93G? Comparing it to the FP91G+, the 93 has a slightly faster response time (6 instead of 8 ms),
higher contrast ratio (700 compared to 550), and it looks like it has a slimmer bezel, which I really like. Other than that, they look
the same.
Don't know...I'll be sure to keep my eyes open for reviews of it.
I returned my Acer. I feel better now. Upset it didn't work out but better since I'd been driving myself crazy for 2 weeks trying to decide whether to return it or not. So it was a TN, which is even worse than PVA/MVA, correct?Originally posted by: guidryp
Looking at it now I probably get a double wammy, since I havent't returned my Dell screen yet. But regardless of screen type you view the picture on, you should be able to see that PVA/MVA technology has significant viewing angle issues. Do yourself a favor and look for a S-IPS screen. It is worth the extra money. Or if you have a good CRT (your case), just stick with that.
Originally posted by: Slickone
I returned my Acer. I feel better now. Upset it didn't work out but better since I'd been driving myself crazy for 2 weeks trying to decide whether to return it or not. So it was a TN, which is even worse than PVA/MVA, correct?
What are some good S-IPS LCD's that are 5:4?
Any word on if that should change?Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: Slickone
What are some good S-IPS LCD's that are 5:4?
At the moment the only 8-bit fast ones I've seen have been widescreen (VX2025WM or NEC 20WMGX2).
Originally posted by: samduhman
- I reran deadpixelbuddy and did notice on the red screen one pixel was blacked out in the bottom right. During other color tests it was fine. Is this a dead pixel? I thought a dead pixel would be dead through out all tests. I only notice it in this one test so its not enough for me to return.