LCD Buyer's Guide

[PhotoMan]

One more thing,

HP LP2065 is $399 minus $40 rebate from B&H. Add the ColorEyes Display/DTP94 bundle at $325 and you have a $685 combo that I bet that beats (in image quality) everything under $1000, NEC 20WMGX2 included.

 

[rxblitzrx]

Just saw the update about the HP LP2065 not showing dark tones very well. I have to agree with this statement. I just figured out how to use the Riva Tuner software and was able to tweak the gray scale test on lcdresource for only 10,15,20. This required gamma increase in only the bottom part of the reference graph line. The gray tones from 230 to 250 required gamma decreases along the middle to upper portions of the reference graph line. Overall I guess the picture looks better.

Photoman, I'm curious how this ColorEyes software makes the HP LP2065 such a great display. Can I try it for free?

 

[rxblitzrx]

Hot diggity!! Colors look SOOOOOO much better after gamma correction. Well I don't know if it's "correct" but they definitely look more "rich" and "vibrant". I was able to turn my brightness down to 50 from 85 and still achieve a great picture. At 85 it now hurts my eyes, when before I could even use 100 without getting the desired "vibrant" look I wanted. Can anyone turn my jibberish here into shop talk??

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I just went to work again and examined the Dell 2007FP once again. I was thoroughly disappointed with its dark image performance and dynamic range. I could never get the first 16 black levels to show up reliably. The matte coating also had a really annoying look to it. Clearly not all S-IPS screens are the best thing since slice bread. It's good for text work and to be fair it was hooked up via VGA (I had no choice), but the fact that it's VGA can't account for these flaws as far as I can tell. Maybe the NEC 20WMGX2 has spoiled me.

Maybe that one wasn't S-IPS?

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100

Some history:

Dell released the 2001fp with S-IPS, by the end switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007fp with S-IPS, then soon switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007wfp with S-IPS. They are just now switching to PVA (PVAs seen in Austrailia, Asia and North America.).
Also on the 1907, the panels were consistently TN but different manufacturers.

Starting with the A03 release Dell has started to obscure the Panel information. This seems to be thier solution to panel lottery complaints. Hide the panel information. A list of new Dell panel codes was starting to be compiled when they were removed:

2007 WFP A03 - Panel code RT803: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201W01: - Overwhelming evidence)
2007 WFP A03 - Panel code PM330: S-PVA Samsung LTM201M1: Strong evidence)
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code UW473: S-PVA Samsung LTM201U1: Proof, someone disassembled )
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code HN210: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201U05: Suspected, process of elimination.

 

[PhotoMan]

rxblitzrx,

Yes you can try and use the software for free but it's only usefull if you already have a compatible colorimeter.

It doesn't work without so don't even bother if you don't have one.

I recommend buying the CED/DTP94 bundle for $325.

DDC calibration is very tricky and doesn't work with every monitor, and the video card has to support DDC as well. when you get a good software/monitor match though, results will amaze.

CED supports L* Gamma where the gamma correction curve will have a shape that helps the monitor achieve linear responce, think of an "S" curve in photoshop curves with multiple sample points to lift shadow detail for example.

 

[julianpeters]

I've got another "recommend me one of these LCDs" question. I'm building essentially the midrange gaming system from the January guide on the main site. Mostly I'll be playing games, surfing the web, or watching movies/TV shows on this machine. The suggested display in the guide is an Acer AL2223Wd. After reading through (some of) this thread, the other display I was thinking of was the ViewEra V201D-B. I guess my parameters are 20"+, widescreen, less than $300. The 22" on the Acer sounds nice, but if it's at the notable expense of image quality, the extra 2" don't matter to me that much. Thanks!

 

[rxblitzrx]

Originally posted by: PhotoMan
rxblitzrx,

Yes you can try and use the software for free but it's only usefull if you already have a compatible colorimeter.

It doesn't work without so don't even bother if you don't have one.

I recommend buying the CED/DTP94 bundle for $325.

DDC calibration is very tricky and doesn't work with every monitor, and the video card has to support DDC as well. when you get a good software/monitor match though, results will amaze.

CED supports L* Gamma where the gamma correction curve will have a shape that helps the monitor achieve linear responce, think of an "S" curve in photoshop curves with multiple sample points to lift shadow detail for example.

Yeah, maybe when I graduate and make some money. That's pretty expensive equipment just to read pages on the internet. =)

 

[proofy]

Question about 24" - 1920x1200 Monitors - The Benq FP241W/WZ/VW in particular.

Does it stretch 1920x1080 or do you get the 1920x60 pixel boxes on the top and bottom of the screen?

 

[geepondy]

I want to thank members and in particular Xtknight for recommending the Viewsonic VP930B-3. The colors are absolutely stunning. It belows away my CRT Viewsonic PF790 in that regard and that monitor had a very good reputation. Perhaps mine was never calibrated correctly but there is a huge difference between the two as this LCD displays much richer and more saturated colors yet exhibits true to life flesh tones. I did have problems with the Perfect Suite software and decided I was better off without it so thank goodness I bought this monitor instead of the non OSD Samsung 971P I was considering. I will say that "perhaps" the Samsung 971P had better viewing angles but that is only based upon me playing with the Samsung at the store. Perhaps members that have owned both can comment on if this is really true or not.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PhotoMan
Well, the Dell has the same panel with the HP LP 2035, (LG.Philips LM201U04)
The HP LP 2065 has an LG.Philips LM201U05 panel, just like NEC 2090UXi.

The Dell actually includes a new 05 panel now (I have verified that with the service menu and I do know it's an S-IPS from the viewing angles). From a previous post: (Panel was: V1B11 LPL UXGA LM201U05 (S-IPS).)

For photo editing it's very important to be able to calibrate at 110cd/m2 and lower or your prints will come out darker than you see them.

I know that the Dell doesn't go below 175cd/m2 so it's totaly unacceptable for photo editing.

175 cd/m2 for white? By my measurements, the 2007FP was able to get to 120 nits (and probably lower), but color performance just wasn't that great. Black level was 0.2 nits. I have heard varying recommendations for photo brightness, such as 100 nits, 110, and 120. I assume you work with photos a lot. Have you found 110 to be the best level?

That's the reason I went straight with the ColorEyes display software.
With Monaco Optix XR Pro I couldn't get white point below 130cd/m2 unless I touch the RGB controls, and lowering the RGB values to 50% I couldn't still go below 120cd/m2.

I calibrated with ColorEyes Display using L* gamma, 16bit LUT based ICC V4 profile in DDC mode.
That means that the software took care of all the adjustments to calibrate and profile the monitor.

That's interesting. I didn't know they had calibrators that would do it over DDC (apart from extremely expensive Eizos/NECs).

I believe that sRGB is the proper mode for editing photos though that's obviously subjective. L* makes it so the human eye can see an even brightness increase across the whole 256 levels, although in my experience it brings out a lot of unwanted artifacts blemishes in most pictures (desktop backgrounds for example) since they were created with the sRGB curve in mind. I would like to hear your comments on this.

Brightness, contrast, and RGB values were adjusted internaly through DDC and no adjustments were made to the graphics card.

And just to add a little tid bit of info, that would mean you calibrated for native gamma. That's a good idea because it maximizes your gamut.

Unfortunately CED is a demo and I cannot try other calibrations anymore.

I will buy the software in a couple of months and I will be able to try other methods then.

I tried the tests at LCDRESOURCE and I'm very proud of my monitor's performance.

The Dark Grayscale Test is absolutely flawless showing the entire pyramid of dark shades, at the image tests I had no problem with any of the images and the Gradient Linearity Test showed 4 smooth gradients and 4 "staired" (if that's the word) gradients but I guess that this is what I was suppose to see.
The gray gradient was nuteral throughout the range.

This is on a Dell 2007FP unit with an S-IPS panel, correct? Very interesting as I definitely could not reproduce those results.

The only thing that puzzles me though is a strange line of "dancing" cyan/blue sub-pixels that shows up at a specific gray shade.

It's neither hot or dead pixels though as they follow the shade everywhere.

It could be dithering or FRC, though I doubt it. If it's over DVI it could possibly be a bandwidth problem.

I cannot guarantie that this performance is possible with other calibration methods/software.

Also the colorimeter used was the X-Rite DTP94 from my Monaco XR that is also the most recommended instrument for this particular software.

At work I used a Gretag-Macbeth Eye One Display 2 along with Eye One Match, although at home I use basiCColor (only one license) which seems to do a better job.

Originally posted by: PhotoMan
One more thing,

HP LP2065 is $399 minus $40 rebate from B&H. Add the ColorEyes Display/DTP94 bundle at $325 and you have a $685 combo that I bet that beats (in image quality) everything under $1000, NEC 20WMGX2 included.

What about the NEC 20WMGX2 with a DTP94 for $925 total?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: geepondy
I want to thank members and in particular Xtknight for recommending the Viewsonic VP930B-3. The colors are absolutely stunning. It belows away my CRT Viewsonic PF790 in that regard and that monitor had a very good reputation. Perhaps mine was never calibrated correctly but there is a huge difference between the two as this LCD displays much richer and more saturated colors yet exhibits true to life flesh tones. I did have problems with the Perfect Suite software and decided I was better off without it so thank goodness I bought this monitor instead of the non OSD Samsung 971P I was considering. I will say that "perhaps" the Samsung 971P had better viewing angles but that is only based upon me playing with the Samsung at the store. Perhaps members that have owned both can comment on if this is really true or not.

Thank Engel for that one. If it weren't for him that LCD wasn't going back up there. He actually did own the 971P (and now the VP930b-3) so he may be able to answer that question, just go back a few pages and you'll find where he compares the two.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: xtknight
I just went to work again and examined the Dell 2007FP once again. I was thoroughly disappointed with its dark image performance and dynamic range. I could never get the first 16 black levels to show up reliably. The matte coating also had a really annoying look to it. Clearly not all S-IPS screens are the best thing since slice bread. It's good for text work and to be fair it was hooked up via VGA (I had no choice), but the fact that it's VGA can't account for these flaws as far as I can tell. Maybe the NEC 20WMGX2 has spoiled me.

Maybe that one wasn't S-IPS?

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100

Some history:

Dell released the 2001fp with S-IPS, by the end switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007fp with S-IPS, then soon switched to PVA.
Dell released the 2007wfp with S-IPS. They are just now switching to PVA (PVAs seen in Austrailia, Asia and North America.).
Also on the 1907, the panels were consistently TN but different manufacturers.

Starting with the A03 release Dell has started to obscure the Panel information. This seems to be thier solution to panel lottery complaints. Hide the panel information. A list of new Dell panel codes was starting to be compiled when they were removed:

2007 WFP A03 - Panel code RT803: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201W01: - Overwhelming evidence)
2007 WFP A03 - Panel code PM330: S-PVA Samsung LTM201M1: Strong evidence)
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code UW473: S-PVA Samsung LTM201U1: Proof, someone disassembled )
2007 FP A03 - Panel Code HN210: S-IPS LG.Philips LM201U05: Suspected, process of elimination.

I'm pretty certain from the service menu report (back when they didn't hide it: V1B11 LPL UXGA LM201U05 (S-IPS)) and viewing angle performance that it was an S-IPS.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: julianpeters
I've got another "recommend me one of these LCDs" question. I'm building essentially the midrange gaming system from the January guide on the main site. Mostly I'll be playing games, surfing the web, or watching movies/TV shows on this machine. The suggested display in the guide is an Acer AL2223Wd. After reading through (some of) this thread, the other display I was thinking of was the ViewEra V201D-B. I guess my parameters are 20"+, widescreen, less than $300. The 22" on the Acer sounds nice, but if it's at the notable expense of image quality, the extra 2" don't matter to me that much. Thanks!

I would have to take a guess and say the ViewEra would display a better picture than the Acer 22", and that it's worth sacrificing those inches. I would have to take another guess and say that that guess would probably be right.

 

[wtfulookinat]

Just an update on the monitor nobody seems to have a clue about, the Philips 200P7EB.

I got a response from Philips here in Australia and apparently in this country it uses the:

TFT-LCD LM201U04-SL02 (LGPH) panel

Which is the version before the 05 AFAIK.

I have already ordered a 215TW so lets hope its better than the U04.

Cheers.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: proofy
Question about 24" - 1920x1200 Monitors - The Benq FP241W/WZ/VW in particular.

Does it stretch 1920x1080 or do you get the 1920x60 pixel boxes on the top and bottom of the screen?

I believe that those models have options for scaling, although the FP241W may not have until a recent firmware update. Check out HardForums if you want to know what's going on with that.

Additionally, anyone with an NVIDIA card can output a full native res signal to the monitor and is given scaling options in the display adapter control panel.

 

[rxblitzrx]

Is it possible to damage your monitor from playing with RivaTuner or the Nvidia Control Panel and setting values to 100%?

 

[PhotoMan]

175 cd/m2 for white? By my measurements, the 2007FP was able to get to 120 nits (and probably lower), but color performance just wasn't that great. Black level was 0.2 nits. I have heard varying recommendations for photo brightness, such as 100 nits, 110, and 120. I assume you work with photos a lot. Have you found 110 to be the best level?

That's the reason I went straight with the ColorEyes display software.
With Monaco Optix XR Pro I couldn't get white point below 130cd/m2 unless I touch the RGB controls, and lowering the RGB values to 50% I couldn't still go below 120cd/m2.

I calibrated with ColorEyes Display using L* gamma, 16bit LUT based ICC V4 profile in DDC mode.
That means that the software took care of all the adjustments to calibrate and profile the monitor.

That's interesting. I didn't know they had calibrators that would do it over DDC (apart from extremely expensive Eizos/NECs).

I believe that sRGB is the proper mode for editing photos though that's obviously subjective. L* makes it so the human eye can see an even brightness increase across the whole 256 levels, although in my experience it brings out a lot of unwanted artifacts blemishes in most pictures (desktop backgrounds for example) since they were created with the sRGB curve in mind. I would like to hear your comments on this.

Brightness, contrast, and RGB values were adjusted internaly through DDC and no adjustments were made to the graphics card.

And just to add a little tid bit of info, that would mean you calibrated for native gamma. That's a good idea because it maximizes your gamut.

Unfortunately CED is a demo and I cannot try other calibrations anymore.

I will buy the software in a couple of months and I will be able to try other methods then.

I tried the tests at LCDRESOURCE and I'm very proud of my monitor's performance.

The Dark Grayscale Test is absolutely flawless showing the entire pyramid of dark shades, at the image tests I had no problem with any of the images and the Gradient Linearity Test showed 4 smooth gradients and 4 "staired" (if that's the word) gradients but I guess that this is what I was suppose to see.
The gray gradient was nuteral throughout the range.

This is on a Dell 2007FP unit with an S-IPS panel, correct? Very interesting as I definitely could not reproduce those results.

The only thing that puzzles me though is a strange line of "dancing" cyan/blue sub-pixels that shows up at a specific gray shade.

It's neither hot or dead pixels though as they follow the shade everywhere.

It could be dithering or FRC, though I doubt it. If it's over DVI it could possibly be a bandwidth problem.

I cannot guarantie that this performance is possible with other calibration methods/software.

Also the colorimeter used was the X-Rite DTP94 from my Monaco XR that is also the most recommended instrument for this particular software.

At work I used a Gretag-Macbeth Eye One Display 2 along with Eye One Match, although at home I use basiCColor (only one license) which seems to do a better job.

Originally posted by: PhotoMan
One more thing,

HP LP2065 is $399 minus $40 rebate from B&H. Add the ColorEyes Display/DTP94 bundle at $325 and you have a $685 combo that I bet that beats (in image quality) everything under $1000, NEC 20WMGX2 included.

What about the NEC 20WMGX2 with a DTP94 for $925 total?

xtknight,

My monitor is an HP LP 2065, I have never actually seen a Dell with my own eyes.

A fellow photographer with good technical knowledge reported that his Dell would not go below 175cd/m2, and many others said that the monitor is too bright for accurate color editing wthout menioning any numbers(all of them professional photographers).
It could be a lottery issue.

The ideal white point for photo editing depends on your working environment,

In a dark room, 85cd/m2, for a moderately lit room 100cd/m2 for a bright room 110cd/m2, for a very bright room 120cd/m2 but these are only approximate values.

To find the correct white point you actually have to compare your monitor to an actual print viewed under a viewing booth.

Both ColorEyes Display and BasICColor are DDC with compatible monitors.

Unfortunately very few monitors have a standard implementation of DDC and are therefore compatible.

HP LP2065 is one of the few that supports DDC and it actually works.

NEC 90 series for example are DDC enabled but in a non standard way so they are not DDC compatible whith ColorEyes, you need the Spectraview software to enable DDC.

Many monitors claim to be DDC enabled but you never actually know if it works before you try it.

The Dell is definately not DDC enabled.

Integrated-Color, (CED's mom) relies on customer feedback regarding DDC support.

NEC 20WMGX2 is not DDC, I doubt that you will get better performance just because of the DTP94 colorimeter.

The DTP94 is the recommended colorimeter for ColorEyes Display.

BasICColor recommends the Gretag unit if I remember well.


The big difference with DDC is that all the corrections are written in the monitor LUT and dynamic range is not compromised. It's a whole new level in performance.
Efectively you bypass the (possibly wrong anyway) manufacturers settings, and you don't have to correct them at the graphics card stage.

I cannot see any artifacts after L* gamma through DDC on my HP, perhaps it's a non-DDC issue.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PhotoMan
The Dell is definately not DDC enabled.

I am pretty sure that it is a little bit (DDC/CI is an option listed in the service menu).

Integrated-Color, (CED's mom) relies on customer feedback regarding DDC support.

NEC 20WMGX2 is not DDC, I doubt that you will get better performance just because of the DTP94 colorimeter.

I know for a fact that the 20WMGX2 has it as it is controllable via the NEC NaViSet software. But it may not be a standard implementation. Though I'd be surprised because I can adjust it through the NVIDIA control panel's DDC/CI adjustments just fine. And using softMCCS on it yielded no issue (nor the VP930b). I'm pretty sure it's just a lack of support in the calibration software I'm using. I did not see any LCDs listed besides NEC SpectraView or Eizo ones with my software as far as I can recall.

The DTP94 is the recommended colorimeter for ColorEyes Display.

BasICColor recommends the Gretag unit if I remember well.


The big difference with DDC is that all the corrections are written in the monitor LUT and dynamic range is not compromised. It's a whole new level in performance.
Efectively you bypass the (possibly wrong anyway) manufacturers settings, and you don't have to correct them at the graphics card stage.

I cannot see any artifacts after L* gamma through DDC on my HP, perhaps it's a non-DDC issue.

Well if I'm understanding this correctly, DDC only provides a means to what you can already access yourself via the monitor's setup menu (in most cases). If you're saying that via DDC the software can upload a gamma table (256x3) to a consumer monitor like the HP LP2065 I'd be very surprised. I do know that red/green/blue gain values are adjustable (but no more than that). (For example, red 95%, green 90%, blue 98%, but there are no more precise adjustments than that.) That's always been my understanding of it. If that's not the case, I could just as well upload my graphics card's table to the monitor and then set the graphics card correction to nothing.

About L* vs. sRGB, take a look at this picture in L* and then look at it in sRGB and tell me which you think is proper.

http://interfacelift.com/dl/wallpaper/01066_lettherebelight_1680x1050.jpg

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: rxblitzrx
Is it possible to damage your monitor from playing with RivaTuner or the Nvidia Control Panel and setting values to 100%?

Not any more than how much using it normally would damage it.

 

[PhotoMan]

About L* vs. sRGB, take a look at this picture in L* and then look at it in sRGB and tell me which you think is proper.

http://interfacelift.com/dl/wallpaper/01066_lettherebelight_1680x1050.jpg

It doesn't really matter what I, or anyone else thinks is proper.

If the image on your calibrated monitor matches the print of your calibrated printer then you know it's right.

The only thing I could do with this image is print it and then see if the image on the screen matches what I see in print.

About the Dell and the NEC regarding DDC, as I already said there are different implementations of DDC so it doesn't really matter what the specs say if you can't make it work.
There are many monitors that claim to be DDC but they are not.
However some Dells seem to be DDC enabled so you may be right about that but NEC is hiding the sdk information the software company needs to make it compatible.
Of course you can always try it yourself (its free) and tell us.
If DDC is grayed out, then it's not.
You can download the demo here http://www.integrated-color.com/Merchan...n=CTGY&Store_Code=ICC&Category_Code=DL

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: PhotoMan

About L* vs. sRGB, take a look at this picture in L* and then look at it in sRGB and tell me which you think is proper.

http://interfacelift.com/dl/wallpaper/01066_lettherebelight_1680x1050.jpg

It doesn't really matter what I, or anyone else thinks is proper.

If the image on your calibrated monitor matches the print of your calibrated printer then you know it's right.

The only thing I could do with this image is print it and then see if the image on the screen matches what I see in print.

What about the monitor matching the camera? A camera that captured and processed a photo in sRGB mode is not going to look right on a monitor set to display Adobe RGB. Likewise a photo shot with a different gamma curve isn't going to look accurate either. What I'm really questioning here is if the camera is capturing an image with the intent of an L* curve. Or, if you're using RAW and bypassing these problems altogether. I'm not sure how the processing in digital cameras work but I figured you could provide some insight on this.

About the Dell and the NEC regarding DDC, as I already said there are different implementations of DDC so it doesn't really matter what the specs say if you can't make it work.
There are many monitors that claim to be DDC but they are not.
However some Dells seem to be DDC enabled so you may be right about that but NEC is hiding the sdk information the software company needs to make it compatible.
Of course you can always try it yourself (its free) and tell us.
If DDC is grayed out, then it's not.
You can download the demo here http://www.integrated-color.com/Merchan...n=CTGY&Store_Code=ICC&Category_Code=DL

I'd be thrilled to. I'll report the results soon.

Additionally, do you know for sure whether the DDC support on the HP goes to the extent of actually having a flashable 256x3 look-up table? As opposed to one adjustable point on the gamma curve, of course, as with the "User" RGB controls.

 

[xtknight]

Well, it turns out that the software does support DDC adjustment on the 20WMGX2. (see here)

I ran through a calibration at 6500K/L* first and got reasonable deltaE results (most under 1 but some above). Then I tried 2.2 gamma with less impressive results (average 0.8 dE and lots above 1). I'm not sure if this is deltaE 94 or not though, so I will have to look at the dE2000 results from basiCColor to make an accurate assessment. I did confirm that it adjusted my user R/G/B controls (in the LCD OSM), but it also made adjustments to the graphics card. Clearly it wasn't able to actually flash a look-up table into the monitor.

 

[proofy]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: proofy
Question about 24" - 1920x1200 Monitors - The Benq FP241W/WZ/VW in particular.

Does it stretch 1920x1080 or do you get the 1920x60 pixel boxes on the top and bottom of the screen?

I believe that those models have options for scaling, although the FP241W may not have until a recent firmware update. Check out HardForums if you want to know what's going on with that.

Additionally, anyone with an NVIDIA card can output a full native res signal to the monitor and is given scaling options in the display adapter control panel.

Thanks.

Are there more 1920x1200 monitors coming out with a variety of inputs? Besides the BenQ's?

 

[PhotoMan]

What about the monitor matching the camera? A camera that captured and processed a photo in sRGB mode is not going to look right on a monitor set to display Adobe RGB. Likewise a photo shot with a different gamma curve isn't going to look accurate either. What I'm really questioning here is if the camera is capturing an image with the intent of an L* curve. Or, if you're using RAW and bypassing these problems altogether. I'm not sure how the processing in digital cameras work but I figured you could provide some insight on this.



Additionally, do you know for sure whether the DDC support on the HP goes to the extent of actually having a flashable 256x3 look-up table? As opposed to one adjustable point on the gamma curve, of course, as with the "User" RGB controls.

It really depends what you are looking for, if all you want is to see what the camera captured then you will also need a camera profile and a color managed application to view the image. Generic sRGB will not show what the camera has actually capture.

Monitor, camera, and printer profiles make sense only in color managed applications.

If all you want is to be able to see all the colors and shades of a game then all you need to do is adjust your monitor to your liking untill you are happy.

In Photoshop you will be able to see how the image will look like in print, no matter if it was captured in sRGB, or Adobe98.

About CED:

What settings did you use?
My settings were: 16bit LUT based ICC V4 profiles, L* gamma, D65, Luminance target 100CD/m2

I assume that the L* stands for the CIE Lab Lightness chanel which is used anyway in any color profile conversion (all color profile conversions take place in the Lab Color color space).

DDC is SUPPOSED to adjust writable LUT's but it seems that this is not the case every time.

NEC 90 series, LaCie 3 and CG series EIZOs do have writable LUTs but they don't give information to third party software developers to make their software compatible.

I don't know how DDC works on my HP, whether it writes a LUT in the monitor's memory or is only adjusting the available controls; and to be honest with an average DE 0,23, max DE 0,43, at 100cd/m2, smooth gradients, minimal banding, shaddow and highlight detail that I had never seen before and prints that match perfectly what I see, I don't even care.

However it really seems to adjust the monitors RGB controls but I don't know if it touches the Graphics Card LUT.
Integrated Color is not very clear about this.
Monaco Optix XR Pro software couldn't give me comparable results though and that's what forced me to believe that DDC makes the difference.

-

For me the point is that I saved at least $1500 as my plan was to get the HP and use it as a second monitor on a future upgrade to a High End EIZO or NEC and now I don't have to upgrade to anything.

 

[xboxist]

How do I change my gamma settings on an ATI card? I have ATI Tray Tools, but unless it's called something else in there, I just don't see it.

Is this not done through the video card?