LCD Showdown! - Please share your opinions :)

[JZilla]

Oh so you are in England.

Try Geizhals which is a German price comparison site. There you can find the Viewsonic for ? 625, pretty hefty considering the NEC is ? 451.

In the other lcd thread in the video forum I linked to the big lcd thread at Ars, where a couple of people have bought the LG1710B from ebuyer.com for £ 338.

Edit: The shipping costs are ?46 from Germany to Denmark, with UPS cash-on-delivery. And as far as I can tell, the NEC has 3 year european warranty, but I am still waiting for a response to the email I sent NEC scandinavia regarding this. It would suck big time if one should ship the monitor back to Germany to be repaired.

Edit2: Are you sure it's not out in England, it's on the Viewsonic UK site. Strange that I can find it in a shop in Denmark, if it's not even out yet in England. So I guess that we aren't the last place on the planet, to get all the new and fancy electronical goods here in Denmark.

 

[GaryShandling]

No, its not out in england even though its displayed on the viewsonic Uk site. i clicked on the product, then clicked on where to buy, and about 10 sites came up...i went to all of them and neither had the monitor for sale, which was great. So then i did a search on the monitor using various UK search engines and not 1 friggin site came up which has the monitor in stock. Which means its not out here yet.....what to do

 

[JZilla]

If the Viewsonic is covered by an european warranty:

Take the wife on a weekend trip to Copenhagen, buy the monitor without vat and get home. The wife should be so pleased, that she will leave you alone and then you can play with your new toy.

If not:

Wait or buy the LG 1710B, Hitachi CML174, NEC 1760NX, Viewsonic vg170m, BenQ FP767 or the Acer AL732.

 

[GaryShandling]

Wife? im 19 hehe...as for waiting, i cant be bothered...on the official website it sais the monitors will be available in all good retail stores by "may". But now im thinking of the Hitachi or Nec, but the viewsonic has a better contrast ratio, and a slightly better brightness then both of these monitors. If i had to pick from these 2 which one?

 

[JZilla]

You know all these 16ms monitors uses the same panels, AU Optronics (the one exception to this is the LG, which apparently uses LG/Phillips own panel), so they should have the same picture quality. So any differences should be very minor. The differences in brightness/contrast/viewing angles, are probably the outcome of manufacturers measuring these things in different ways.
I read in another forum, that the Viewsonic has an antiglare screen and some guy with the NEC was bothered by the fact that he had glares (spelled?) from the window on his screen.

Hitachi vs NEC

I would pick the NEC, but only because I like it's design better than the Hitachi, which is rather boring imo. The NEC is height adjustable (the NX version), I don't know if the Hitachi is. The NEC uses less energy, albeit the difference is very very small. Rumour control: Hitachi has sold submarine secrets to the soviets, something funny I read at that other forum.

How much does the NEC cost in England? The Viewsonic VP171 cost approx £ 500 here and I really don't think I can justify using an extra £100 buying that instead of the NEC. Maybe you should mail Viewsonic, just to be sure it's not launched a week after you have bought another.

 

[GaryShandling]

The nec is £400, same as you, does the back of the nec heat up alot? any problems with it?

 

[JZilla]

I don't have and have not seen it. I can't find a retailer in Denmark that carries it, only online shops which are too expensive anyway (£100), so I'll have to order it from Germany. But it is on the shoplist for June, unless the Viewsonic price drops dramatically. You can search the forums, there has been a couple of threads on it.

 

[moogle077]

Why are Cornea monitors always left out?

 

[moogle077]

Why are Cornea monitors always left out?
500:1 contrast
20ms response time
250 cd/m2

 

[GaryShandling]

Originally posted by: moogle077
Why are Cornea monitors always left out?
500:1 contrast
20ms response time
250 cd/m2

I wouldn't buy cornea due to customer popularity. Also if your talking about 17", then no thanks @ 20ms.

 

[andyfasthands]

Samsung 172's are soooo sweet

 

[GaryShandling]

Yeah i was gonna get a 172t, but then looked at the response time...

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: mchammer187
i would go with a 1800 FP purely because it is 18" instead of 17 and you can't beat the price when dell has a good deal on it $381 or so

Are you talking about the Dell deal that's been dead since april, or is there another one going on that has escaped the hot deals forums?

AFAIK the best you'll get an 1800fp for now is ~$450 on ebay, and watch your warranty with those...

 

[KristopherKubicki]

The Viewsonic monitor is not 500:1 CTR. I cannot actively say too much about it right now due to pending lawsuits unfortunately.

Moogle877 has a point, I kind of like Cornea monitors myself, but you'll be much happier with the 172T for the price.

The Viewsonic, Nec 1760nx and the Hitachi CML 174 are all the same monitor. Good, but really not as good as the 172T in my opinion, which has been expressed in a few articles before: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1785

If you do decide to grab one of those 16ms monitors, get the CML174 from MonitorsDirect.

Cheers,

Kristopher

 

[GaryShandling]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
The Viewsonic monitor is not 500:1 CTR. I cannot actively say too much about it right now due to pending lawsuits unfortunately.

Moogle877 has a point, I kind of like Cornea monitors myself, but you'll be much happier with the 172T for the price.

The Viewsonic, Nec 1760nx and the Hitachi CML 174 are all the same monitor. Good, but really not as good as the 172T in my opinion, which has been expressed in a few articles before: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1785

If you do decide to grab one of those 16ms monitors, get the CML174 from MonitorsDirect.

Cheers,

Kristopher

172t's slow response time is putting me off, and the hitachis colour problem is also putting me off. Thats why i decided to go with the viewsonic considering it had a 500:1 contrast ratio meaning i get the 16ms and the good colour. But after reading this i dunno what to do. damnit

 

[KristopherKubicki]

You really wont notice the difference between 16ms and 25ms. Trust me.

 

[GaryShandling]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
You really wont notice the difference between 16ms and 25ms. Trust me.

Does that mean i wont notice ghosting in 19" 25ms LCD's like the VP191b?
The review said ghosting was there in UT2k3, and others

 

[KristopherKubicki]

I cant vouche for the viewsonics just because i dont trust their quality in construction. As long as you use a good DVI cable you will have a lot of trouble attempting to find "ghosting" on 17" LCDs. It may be a little more apparent on 19" LCDs, but there are no 16ms 19" LCDs right now anyway.

Kristopher

 

[GaryShandling]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
I cant vouche for the viewsonics just because i dont trust their quality in construction. As long as you use a good DVI cable you will have a lot of trouble attempting to find "ghosting" on 17" LCDs. It may be a little more apparent on 19" LCDs, but there are no 16ms 19" LCDs right now anyway.

Kristopher

Why dont you trust there quality in construction? is there something about viewsonic thats being supressed?

 

[KristopherKubicki]

They have had a lot of very poorly constructed monitors in the past, sometimes with false statistics. I've come to generally expect low quality with their name.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
The Viewsonic monitor is not 500:1 CTR. I cannot actively say too much about it right now due to pending lawsuits unfortunately.

Cheers,

Kristopher

Wait a second; pending lawsuits? AT isn't being sued by Viewsonic, is it?

 

[KristopherKubicki]

no, NEC versus Viewsonic. Unfortunately somehow I am involved

 

[GaryShandling]

Originally posted by: KristopherKubicki
They have had a lot of very poorly constructed monitors in the past, sometimes with false statistics. I've come to generally expect low quality with their name.

Well thats put me right off...so its a bad idea to go for the vp171b?

 

[KristopherKubicki]

yes.

 

[GaryShandling]

What about the 1800fp? any good? ghosting...present? nice colour ratio?