LCDs have refresh rates?

ITPaladin

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Someone replied in another forum in a thread of mine that "LCDs *DO* have refresh rate, and my cheap ass viewsonic at work gives me a horrible headache".

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I've never heard of such a thing. Unless the backlight is defective and flickering or something, LCD's don't "refresh" the whole screen, they just update individual pixels as necessary.
 

n7

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Technically, no.
They don't actually refresh in the hardware sense of things.

However, they do have a refresh rate, generally 60-75 Hertz.

Maybe someone can explain this better than i can; i'm not sure how to simply explain how they give the refresh rating, even though they technically don't refresh.
 

xtknight

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LCDs do have refresh rates, per se, but that's not the flickering you see on a CRT. The LCD's "refresh rate" is a cap rather than an actual limitation of the display. Higher refresh rates would make the motion blur effects stick out like a sore thumb so that's why you see only 60 Hz and 75 Hz for the most part. As for the forum guy, he's an idiot, he's definitely not getting a headache from the refresh rate.
 
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Originally posted by: n7
Technically, no.
They don't actually refresh in the hardware sense of things.

However, they do have a refresh rate, generally 60-75 Hertz.

Maybe someone can explain this better than i can; i'm not sure how to simply explain it.

That's correct (and I'm not entirely sure how to explain it myself), but basically I believe that the "refresh rate" is the maximum number of times per second any given pixel on the screen can be updated. It's still not a refresh like on CRT's, since LCD pixels don't fade after being "set" to a certain color.
 

xtknight

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Refresh rate=vertical scan rate. Amount of time it takes the electron gun to scan from top to bottom and thus paint one full image (frame) on the screen. It's expressed in Hertz (cycles per second). You can easily convert it to a millisecond time per frame with this formula:

ms=(1/Hz)*1000

LCDs DON'T have electron guns.
 
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Originally posted by: xtknight
Refresh rate=vertical scan rate. Amount of time it takes the electron gun to scan from top to bottom and thus paint one full image (frame) on the screen. It's expressed in Hertz (cycles per second). You can easily convert it to a millisecond time with this formula:

ms=(1/Hz)*1000

LCDs DON'T have electron guns.

:thumbsup:

(I used "refresh rate" in quotes because I was just referring to its use to describe LCD's )
 

xtknight

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One thing to note though. Response time does not measure how long it takes to draw one frame. It measures how long it takes one pixel to change to another, and colors from one to the other vary across the board in speed. Light gray changes to dark gray faster than black changes to white (most of the time). That formula does not apply the other way around. A 16.6ms. response time on an LCD is definitely not going to equal 60 frames per second on a CRT. But you can say a 60 Hz vertical rate CRT takes 16.6ms. per each frame it draws.
 

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LCDs do have a refresh rate, but it is not anywhere near the important consideration that it is for CRTs. A refresh rate simply means how many times the image can be updated every second. So a 60 Hz refresh rate means that the monitor is capable of displaying 60 new images every second.

However, because of the way CRTs work, they actually flicker the images. That is, when the electron gun strikes a part of the screen, that part is bright, but quickly fades (< 1 ms). Then the rest of the 15 ms or so of that frame (frame = each time the screen is updated with a new image) is spent in total darkness. So you're basically looking at a strobe light. LCDs however have image retention, that is, the image sticks around until it's redrawn, so it's not flickering at all, plus it can spread the light energy over the whole frame rather than having to concentrate all that light in the first < 1 ms of a frame. In fact the current problem with LCDs is that the image sticks around too long and "bleeds" into the next frame, and hence causing all this ghosting stuff and people looking for low response times. Anyhow, so yes LCDs have a refresh rate; however, it's hardly a consideration for the LCD buyer. Instead, response time is the equivalent measurement, with the lower the better.

Oh and actually, for LCDs, gray-to-gray takes longer than black to white (except when the LCD is using overdrive, in which case gray-to-gray is faster). LCDs do better with big transitions because the voltage difference is larger; overdrive is simply doing a black to white (or white to black) transition then stopping it in the middle, when you've reached the desired (gray) state. If it's done properly.
 
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