League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

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Malak

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Dec 4, 2004
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Yep Jax is my new favorite, he is as fun as I expected. I even intentionally fed a dozen times last game, we lost both towers at nexus, and we still won. Because when I was in the fight, shit got wrecked.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Yep Jax is my new favorite, he is as fun as I expected. I even intentionally fed a dozen times last game, we lost both towers at nexus, and we still won. Because when I was in the fight, shit got wrecked.

Jax and xin have always been very comparable in my book. About the same. One dodges more for survivability versus healing when attacking. Jax has a more reliable stun and can do damn good burst dps. Plus his jump does not require a target unlike Xin. He's just not as good in the jungle as xin and doesn't have any AOE, but single target he wrecks.

His lack of AoE or group utility it what puts him down on the totem pole a bit in 5v5 games versus other AD assassin chars. He is a MUCH better pick in 3v3 for sure. Jax + Mundo + Singed as a combo = good game for 3v3 fights as they are they top three picks I would do for 3v3.

The only real problem with Jax is his masteries are a bit annoying. You WANT the dodge masteries, but that means you either forgo the utility experience materies or some offensive masteries. Neither are really good to lose out on for Jax.
 

TheUnk

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Jax and xin have always been very comparable in my book. About the same. One dodges more for survivability versus healing when attacking. Jax has a more reliable stun and can do damn good burst dps. Plus his jump does not require a target unlike Xin. He's just not as good in the jungle as xin and doesn't have any AOE, but single target he wrecks.

His lack of AoE or group utility it what puts him down on the totem pole a bit in 5v5 games versus other AD assassin chars. He is a MUCH better pick in 3v3 for sure. Jax + Mundo + Singed as a combo = good game for 3v3 fights as they are they top three picks I would do for 3v3.

The only real problem with Jax is his masteries are a bit annoying. You WANT the dodge masteries, but that means you either forgo the utility experience materies or some offensive masteries. Neither are really good to lose out on for Jax.

His jump does require a target. His stun is AoE stun/dmg. I have killed, many times, 3v1 as Jax. He is excellent 5v5.
 

darkewaffle

Diamond Member
Oct 7, 2005
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For Jax I like 12/9/9 masteries as deep offense is garbage, definitely not worth the return. Could drop the armor pen for 9/9/12 or just go deeper into defense and skip utility, which could work out.

My first few builds on Jax had me a bit of a lame duck early but switching to rushing a revolver, then boots, then completing gunblade and going for Nashor's next has been pretty solid all around. Past that I'm still working on it but I like black cleaver, abyssal scepter, atmas.

Also Jax's jump does require a target.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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His jump does require a target. His stun is AoE stun/dmg. I have killed, many times, 3v1 as Jax. He is excellent 5v5.

Yeah that was what gave me troubles, I thought his jump didn't require a target. I assumed it was like Tristana's. But yeah, I wrecked a team that was entirely AD, because they couldn't touch me past lvl 5.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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His jump does require a target. His stun is AoE stun/dmg. I have killed, many times, 3v1 as Jax. He is excellent 5v5.

Ahh, forgot they changed that with the small AoE added a few months back. He used to not have that.

I take that back then because he used to be all single target dps before but they added a small AoE to a couple of his attacks. So he is more 5v5 viable. And forgot the jump was targeted.
 

crownjules

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2005
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I think that if Zebano (or anyone) decides to play drunk again then it HAS to be as Gragas. No exceptions.
 

ivan2

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Jax is all about knowing how to use the jump. unless you are uber fed like 30-0, never EVER use it to initiate, always use it to jump back if you smell trouble. you will find yourself growing much faster when you are not dead.
 

Malak

Lifer
Dec 4, 2004
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Jax is all about knowing how to use the jump. unless you are uber fed like 30-0, never EVER use it to initiate, always use it to jump back if you smell trouble. you will find yourself growing much faster when you are not dead.

Hard to jump back without a target.
 

zebano

Diamond Member
Jun 15, 2005
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I think that if Zebano (or anyone) decides to play drunk again then it HAS to be as Gragas. No exceptions.

Only problem is, Gragas isn't free this week. Also what happens when two of us start drinking?

I like Irelia but she is a horribly slow jungle. I picked her second twice yesterday and no one on my team took a jungler so I grabbed smite. I took me 4:30 to hit level 4 which is terrible.
 

Kabob

Lifer
Sep 5, 2004
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New champion rotation today, should be a good one. I didn't like last week's freebies at all.

Renekton
Katarina
Ryze
Malphite
Kassadin
Galio
Gangplank
Miss Fortune (again?)
Sona
Ezreal
 

Chiropteran

Diamond Member
Nov 14, 2003
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but Jax requires a target to jump.


But really, what makes his jump better than Xin's is that Jax can jump to a friendly or enemy creep, so usually you CAN use it to jump away and escape in a lane situation because there will be friendly creeps behind you.

Another difference is Jax does a lot of magic damage, he is kinda like warwick where he is about half AP and if he is your token AD carry you run the risk of losing against mass magic resists. I am not sure which of Xin's abilities are magic or phyisical, but I suspect they are mostly physical.
 

crownjules

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Good. I haven't played much Renek so I'll use this week to try him out. What's the typical build? Do you build him more like an AD champ or are his abilities strong enough on their own so you just build tanky?
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but Jax requires a target to jump.


But really, what makes his jump better than Xin's is that Jax can jump to a friendly or enemy creep, so usually you CAN use it to jump away and escape in a lane situation because there will be friendly creeps behind you.

Another difference is Jax does a lot of magic damage, he is kinda like warwick where he is about half AP and if he is your token AD carry you run the risk of losing against mass magic resists. I am not sure which of Xin's abilities are magic or phyisical, but I suspect they are mostly physical.

ah yah, that's where I got confused in my memory. Jax can jump to any target while Xin can only charge on enemies. So Jax can use his jump to escape much better than Xin can.

Xin is mostly physical damage. Only his charge is magic damage if memory serves me correctly and the only ability that scales of AP for him. Everything else is AD. Which is why I like getting madreds with Xin so he does a mix then of physical and magic damage with all attacks.

Speaking of which, I was playing brand all last night and I had the unfortunate problem of going up against a good xin on the other team. Xin's burst damage I always knew was insane but to be on the receiving end of it is not that fun I was lucky to get Brands stun off in time. Most of the time by the time I clicked E then Q and the mouse to send the skill shot bolt I was dead to him.

I also learned Kassadin will wreck Brand. void Step in, Null Sphere, and Step back out. Can't hit the bastard and he does a ton of damage that way. When he's got me low enough he does that but uses his Pulse and BAM! Brand is a goner. It's hard setting up Pillar of Flame or using the fire bolt on teleporting enemies.
 

nanobreath

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ah yah, that's where I got confused in my memory. Jax can jump to any target while Xin can only charge on enemies. So Jax can use his jump to escape much better than Xin can.

Xin is mostly physical damage. Only his charge is magic damage if memory serves me correctly and the only ability that scales of AP for him. Everything else is AD. Which is why I like getting madreds with Xin so he does a mix then of physical and magic damage with all attacks.

Speaking of which, I was playing brand all last night and I had the unfortunate problem of going up against a good xin on the other team. Xin's burst damage I always knew was insane but to be on the receiving end of it is not that fun I was lucky to get Brands stun off in time. Most of the time by the time I clicked E then Q and the mouse to send the skill shot bolt I was dead to him.

I also learned Kassadin will wreck Brand. void Step in, Null Sphere, and Step back out. Can't hit the bastard and he does a ton of damage that way. When he's got me low enough he does that but uses his Pulse and BAM! Brand is a goner. It's hard setting up Pillar of Flame or using the fire bolt on teleporting enemies.

The anti-spellcasting types are Brand's big nemesis. Those with teleports and silences with high burst damage. Leblanc, Kassadin, Malzhar etc. Brand is one of the few spellcasters I've played that I can actually survive against an AD carry. His stun is very reliable, and works great when running away.
 

zebano

Diamond Member
Jun 15, 2005
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The anti-spellcasting types are Brand's big nemesis. Those with teleports and silences with high burst damage. Leblanc, Kassadin, Malzhar etc. Brand is one of the few spellcasters I've played that I can actually survive against an AD carry. His stun is very reliable, and works great when running away.

Just to throw it out there, I have little trouble against AD carries with Annie (stun + great range) and Ryze who can dish the damage back at em early and latter can but frozen heart as part of his core items.
 

Firsttime

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Mar 31, 2005
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I can't speak to Brand as I haven't played him. But I know LeBlanc eats AD carries alive. I mean anyone with burst and some disable will shred a squishy.

I need to get Kassadin, he seems like he would fit my playstyle well. When I play LeBlanc he gives my solo mid moderately more problems then just about anyone else. I'm not sure anyone can keep up with a solo mid LB without a lot of jungle ganks though.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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I can't speak to Brand as I haven't played him. But I know LeBlanc eats AD carries alive. I mean anyone with burst and some disable will shred a squishy.

I need to get Kassadin, he seems like he would fit my playstyle well. When I play LeBlanc he gives my solo mid moderately more problems then just about anyone else. I'm not sure anyone can keep up with a solo mid LB without a lot of jungle ganks though.

You never played against my Xin at mid There is no comparison in terms of burst damage between the two at low levels and survivability. Sure leblanc can pop in and pop back and that works great against many chars, but the teleport range isn't that far and within xin
s teleport range + flash to eat you after you try that. Only chars that stay completely out of xin's range are annoying has all hell or have a larger teleport range. Those are MF, Urgot, Kass, and to some degree Caitlyn.

I can't wait to try out Renekton now though as he seems very much like Xin with more AoE and more dashes to use. Too bad he's ugly as all get out.
 

crownjules

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2005
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Speaking of which, I was playing brand all last night and I had the unfortunate problem of going up against a good xin on the other team. Xin's burst damage I always knew was insane but to be on the receiving end of it is not that fun I was lucky to get Brands stun off in time. Most of the time by the time I clicked E then Q and the mouse to send the skill shot bolt I was dead to him.

Smartcasting. Eliminate the extra clicks that are unnecessary. Then it's just a matter of putting your cursor over the target and hitting the ability keys as fast as you can. You should be able to stun in a second or so that way and probably avoid Xin's knockup if you react fast enough.

edit: Gonna edit the OP to include a blurb on smartcasting since most people probably don't know about it or how to set it up.
 
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Firsttime

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Mar 31, 2005
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You never played against my Xin at mid There is no comparison in terms of burst damage between the two at low levels and survivability. Sure leblanc can pop in and pop back and that works great against many chars, but the teleport range isn't that far and within xin
s teleport range + flash to eat you after you try that. Only chars that stay completely out of xin's range are annoying has all hell or have a larger teleport range. Those are MF, Urgot, Kass, and to some degree Caitlyn.

I can't wait to try out Renekton now though as he seems very much like Xin with more AoE and more dashes to use. Too bad he's ugly as all get out.

Haha. We'll have to have a burst off once I've gotten a bit better/fill up a mage page. I feel on an even skill plane LeBlanc would have Xin from level 5-9 then it would be all Xin's game.

Renekton, tank DPS in general, really seems to be falling in popularity since the HoG nerf. Totally fine with me, 5 off tanks is about the most boring team comp ever. This should be a decent free week. Lots of MF I'm guessing, but it's no free Karthus week haha. If I had a nickle for every fail mid Karthus I played with/against last week I'd easily have a dollar.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Haha. We'll have to have a burst off once I've gotten a bit better/fill up a mage page. I feel on an even skill plane LeBlanc would have Xin from level 5-9 then it would be all Xin's game.

Renekton, tank DPS in general, really seems to be falling in popularity since the HoG nerf. Totally fine with me, 5 off tanks is about the most boring team comp ever. This should be a decent free week. Lots of MF I'm guessing, but it's no free Karthus week haha. If I had a nickle for every fail mid Karthus I played with/against last week I'd easily have a dollar.

The free karthus week was annoying as hell. Lost my last game of the night because of that. Frikking mid Karthus in ranked draft that was 0/4/0 at the 30 minute mark. Hadn't used his ult even once after 30 minutes of play. Seriously wtf?!?! I don't know which is worse. Free Karthus or free Teemo weeks.

As far as leblanc vs xin 1v1, it's always in xin's favor at all levels from my experience. About the only caster I've seen that can squish Xin from levels 6-12 is a good annie. Mainly because of double stuns and major burst dps from her ult. Not much anyone can do against that at all 1v1.
 

novasatori

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Which is unfortunate for him because like Renekton, Trundle owns. Perhaps the uglier the better?
 
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