League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[zebano]

Bad manners seems to be spreading or I just had a lucky run of avoiding the truly obnoxious people for a few weeks which ended 3 days ago. Pipi and I duo queued last night and I didn't ban Morg (gasp) leading to a chorus of "Pro bans, first plyer too pro .. .pro pro pro". They first picked Morg, I counter picked with Karthus and proceeded to go 7/5/9, I've no idea recollection of how she did but the guy who did most of the bitching gave up second blood and lost the first tower in toplane but we turned things around because once that tower was down, they let him farm up his Irelia and I warded and thus was mostly ungankable (died twice to 3 man tower dives). The Irelia also wanted me reported for tanking revive which was amusing because the other team flamed him for being an idiot (revive/teleport Karthus being a common setup).

 

[Hacp]

Bad manners seems to be spreading or I just had a lucky run of avoiding the truly obnoxious people for a few weeks which ended 3 days ago. Pipi and I duo queued last night and I didn't ban Morg (gasp) leading to a chorus of "Pro bans, first plyer too pro .. .pro pro pro". They first picked Morg, I counter picked with Karthus and proceeded to go 7/5/9, I've no idea recollection of how she did but the guy who did most of the bitching gave up second blood and lost the first tower in toplane but we turned things around because once that tower was down, they let him farm up his Irelia and I warded and thus was mostly ungankable (died twice to 3 man tower dives). The Irelia also wanted me reported for tanking revive which was amusing because the other team flamed him for being an idiot (revive/teleport Karthus being a common setup).

There will always be idiots in a free game.

 

[ImpulsE69]

There will always be idiots in a any online game.

Fixed. The only games that don't have idiots are singleplayers and ones where you are on peoples servers where they actively there banning people being douches.

 

[zebano]

There will always be idiots in a free game.

agreed, it was just pleasant to have a couple weeks without any truly annoying people in my games. I also ran into my first good Ziggs, I don't really mind his ult or bouncing bomb but man was it hard to deal with well placed minefields, those things can nearly choke the entire midlane once past the first tower (specifically next to secondary towers).

 

[HumblePie]

agreed, it was just pleasant to have a couple weeks without any truly annoying people in my games. I also ran into my first good Ziggs, I don't really mind his ult or bouncing bomb but man was it hard to deal with well placed minefields, those things can nearly choke the entire midlane once past the first tower (specifically next to secondary towers).

Yep, a good Ziggs can out do any other AP mid right now. There is just nothing to counter him from what I've seen. Even ganking one is next to impossible if they know how to properly launch off their satchel charge. They just drop mines down on one side of the lane and toss bombs down the other side if you try to get anywhere close to farming. You either take hit to farm, or sit back and get out CS'd. It's quite disgusting how well this works. It shuts down any other champ in lane against him early on. And because of his ult, he never has to leave mid lane to help gank side lanes either. Which nets him plenty of assists or kills.

Ziggs main down falls is the small champion box makes him hard to see and keep track of in a team fight, and his is pretty slow movement speed wise. Like all AP champ's he is squishy. But he does have a decent escape and massive range. He also can do so much burst AoE damage it's not funny. He is auto first ban right now in every high elo stream I've watched.

I plan on doing some more practice with him tonight.

 

[imported_Computer MAn]

ReginaId played Ziggs today in the final for go4lol. Considering Ziggs has been out less than a week, that's saying something.

 

[zebano]

ReginaId played Ziggs today in the final for go4lol. Considering Ziggs has been out less than a week, that's saying something.

I didn't realize go4lol was played on the current patch, most tournaments are on an old patch so the pro players can get used to the game without the constant tweaks.

 

[HumblePie]

ReginaId played Ziggs today in the final for go4lol. Considering Ziggs has been out less than a week, that's saying something.

As I've been saying, he's played or banned right now in high elo for a reason. He just does way too much damage with way too much utility. He can out lane against any other AP champ in mid. Hell, he can out lane pretty much any champ that doesn't have massive early sustain. So pretty much only warwick I would think would do well against him mid.

 

[zebano]

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[zebano]

So I've been jungling Mundo just to troll lately but I'm starting to think he's really strong. He's got insane clear times with his W, a slow with his q, and an AD steroid on e that gets better as he loses health. A full clear of wriaths . red - golems - wraiths again - wolves - blue takes about 3:25 and can be faster if you get help on wraiths to get to red right away (speeding up red doesn't matter because you end up waiting those 2-5 seconds in order to allow wraiths to respawn). e - w -w -q (earlier q if you want to gank) and you have strong ganks and great clear times. I've solod dragon at level 7 with just a lantern and boots (+ ult + smite) and done it at level 5 with help with boots + razor but it's much much safer to wait for level 6 when you have ultimate. w reduces CC and deals damage and q's % damage allows you to deal with those pesky buisers. All in all I'm really liking Mundo. Next up I'm going to revive my jungle Cho who I haven't played since before the jungle rework.

flash + smite
9-21-0
AS red, Armor yellow, choice blue (I have scaling MR), AS or MoveSpeed Quints (I use MS)
start with Vamp. Scepter
first trip buy boots
next trip buy Wriggles
I like brutalizer third but you may need to get tanky early in some games.

Standard build: Merc Treads, Wriggles, Ghostblade, Atma's, FoN though I really like Shurelyias Revrie if I don't need MR.

You do fall off lategame but you're a beast from levels 4-16 so kill and push those towers (e + Ghostblade does stupid amounts of damage).

 

[HumblePie]

So I've been jungling Mundo just to troll lately but I'm starting to think he's really strong. He's got insane clear times with his W, a slow with his q, and an AD steroid on e that gets better as he loses health. A full clear of wriaths . red - golems - wraiths again - wolves - blue takes about 3:25 and can be faster if you get help on wraiths to get to red right away (speeding up red doesn't matter because you end up waiting those 2-5 seconds in order to allow wraiths to respawn). e - w -w -q (earlier q if you want to gank) and you have strong ganks and great clear times. I've solod dragon at level 7 with just a lantern and boots (+ ult + smite) and done it at level 5 with help with boots + razor but it's much much safer to wait for level 6 when you have ultimate. w reduces CC and deals damage and q's % damage allows you to deal with those pesky buisers. All in all I'm really liking Mundo. Next up I'm going to revive my jungle Cho who I haven't played since before the jungle rework.

flash + smite
9-21-0
AS red, Armor yellow, choice blue (I have scaling MR), AS or MoveSpeed Quints (I use MS)
start with Vamp. Scepter
first trip buy boots
next trip buy Wriggles
I like brutalizer third but you may need to get tanky early in some games.

Standard build: Merc Treads, Wriggles, Ghostblade, Atma's, FoN though I really like Shurelyias Revrie if I don't need MR.

You do fall off lategame but you're a beast from levels 4-16 so kill and push those towers (e + Ghostblade does stupid amounts of damage).

Yep, which is why higher elo players have been using him a bit more for the jungle. Lane he's only okay, but a bit too gankable without having any real sustain until level 6. So people are liking him from the jungle. AoE clear, pots for sustain, and a cleaver to face to gank with from a bush make him a decent jungler.

Mundo late game has never been a problem. He's tanky, can do decent dps, and has those annoying cleavers. I think people build him too tanky though and forgo any real dps on him which makes him not much of a threat. I think building him for dps a bit more than tanky (still have some tanky) would force people to recognize him as a threat in a team fight to draw the focus off squishies.

Thinking about it, mundo has a steroid, movespeed bonus, massive regen, percentage based damage, and a ranged massive slow (skillshot though). His kit is NOT BAD. It just lacks sustain in lane until level 6. Which allows him to get shit all over early and have a hard time catching up. He's also typically built to tanky which makes him ignorable in team fights later. That has always been a mistake. Let mundo jungle so he doesn't have to worry about problems before level 6. Build him with some decent dps so he can't be ignored. The win with mundo.

 

[zebano]

Yep, which is why higher elo players have been using him a bit more for the jungle. Lane he's only okay, but a bit too gankable without having any real sustain until level 6. So people are liking him from the jungle. AoE clear, pots for sustain, and a cleaver to face to gank with from a bush make him a decent jungler.

Mundo late game has never been a problem. He's tanky, can do decent dps, and has those annoying cleavers. I think people build him too tanky though and forgo any real dps on him which makes him not much of a threat. I think building him for dps a bit more than tanky (still have some tanky) would force people to recognize him as a threat in a team fight to draw the focus off squishies.

Thinking about it, mundo has a steroid, movespeed bonus, massive regen, percentage based damage, and a ranged massive slow (skillshot though). His kit is NOT BAD. It just lacks sustain in lane until level 6. Which allows him to get shit all over early and have a hard time catching up. He's also typically built to tanky which makes him ignorable in team fights later. That has always been a mistake. Let mundo jungle so he doesn't have to worry about problems before level 6. Build him with some decent dps so he can't be ignored. The win with mundo.

You don't need pots. The combination of scepter + e steroid will keep you afloat for an entire jungle run and once you hit 6 his ult is on a low enough cooldown that you can rely on it.

 

[RPD]

I think thats what I'll be trying out tonight. I can dust off my Corporate Mundo.

 

[HumblePie]

Yah, scepter with his E from having low life works early in the jungle. It doesn't work so well in early lane because you are susceptible to burst damage pretty easy.

 

[Magusigne]

Hmm I need a new pub stomping character. Preferrably one that you don't see often that has a high skill cap.

Was thinking Karma or Orianna.

Thoguhts?

 

[zebano]

Hmm I need a new pub stomping character. Preferrably one that you don't see often that has a high skill cap.

Was thinking Karma or Orianna.

Thoguhts?

If you really want to pubstomp I would go Orianna since she actually has that ability. I ran into a fed AD Orianna the other day that was just nasty due to her passive (and a stacked SotO). I don't really care for Karma as a pubstomp because only her q and a mantra'd shield actually deal damage. I suggest AD Sona =)

 

[krnmastersgt]

If you really want to pubstomp I would go Orianna since she actually has that ability. I ran into a fed AD Orianna the other day that was just nasty due to her passive (and a stacked SotO). I don't really care for Karma as a pubstomp because only her q and a mantra'd shield actually deal damage. I suggest AD Sona =)

Karma's Spirit Bond also does damage, just not to the unit it anchors the beam to if its an enemy.

Also AD Nidalee is a pretty fun troll build, and if you can farm well with her then she can itemize into some pretty potent damage rather quickly. I can't think of a not common pubstomper champ as the reason they're used is because they're damn good at it.

If you want a challenging but quite powerful build idea, 5 Tiamat Shyvana has some crazy damage numbers. It's hard to get that kind of farm with just Tiamats though, and they're only truly powerful when you catch someone next to their creep but in just the right situation it can unleash an ungodly amount of damage. (Dragon Form Q + creep pack that is)

 

[Firsttime]

Also AD Nidalee is a pretty fun troll build, and if you can farm well with her then she can itemize into some pretty potent damage rather quickly. I can't think of a not common pubstomper champ as the reason they're used is because they're damn good at it.

AD Nidalee is the best way to play her in soloq type play. It's super viable.

 

[Magusigne]

I'm actually thinking of saving my IP and buying Kennen for trolling since he'll be 50% off.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

I'm actually thinking of saving my IP and buying Kennen for trolling since he'll be 50% off.

Champion sales are only RP based. He'll still be 6300 IP during the sale.

 

[Magusigne]

Champion sales are only RP based. He'll still be 6300 IP during the sale.

I know this. I mean't I'll continue to save my IP up instead of using it on a new champion, and just buy Kennen with RP while he is 50% off.

 

[hans030390]

I think I played my best game of ever last night. I was playing Ahri and went 23/3/13 with 6+ kills well under 20 minutes. No one on either team came remotely close to that kind of score. She is by far my favorite champ. Something about her just clicks with me and has from the start.

 

[MrDuma]

started trying HON and maybe i will give LOL a chance the next coupe of days

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Is it me or does abyssal nautilus look like a chaos space marine? :awe:

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Is it me or does abyssal nautilus look like a chaos space marine? :awe:

Why would go for a CSM and not you know, a Big Daddy.