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HumblePie

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As for Riven vs Teemo, not likely unless the Teemo player is bad. Yes she isn't affected by blinds that much, however her gap close is not equal to his attack range, and Teemo is generally faster than you while laning meaning he has no excuse for getting caught. I was not aware that Riposte could parry Blinding Dart however which I find moronic as its a magic damage spell.

And to HumblePie, Fiora does have a particle effect to notify enemies that she has just activated Riposte so not sure if you just don't notice it or if for some reason you can't see it. Also she is pretty easily beaten in lane by a few champions. I see her counters being:
Olaf: Reckless Swings just makes it impossible to fairly damage trade with him past level 3 or 5
Shen: In terms of straightforward laning, he can harass her endlessly without her being able to really engage him if he doesn't want to. HOWEVER it is hard for him to stop her farming once she gets a Wriggles, he just won't lose typically.
Lee Sin: Counters both her gap closer and AS steroid really well, once he gets a few levels she can't really duel him and thusly can't truly win the lane.
Nasus: Yeah she can parry your Siphon Strike, but your Wither absolutely owns her Burst of Speed, also you can just auto attack her to provoke her into using Riposte THEN hitting her with Siphon, that or she lets you hit her face repeatedly.
Malphite: Basically the epitome of counters to Fiora, has scaling damage off armor which is effective in neutralizing her damage, has an AS debuff, which neutralizes her damage, has a 10% of max hp shield which prevents her from poking/trading effectively. And he can basically outrun her whenever he wants by just hitting her with Q. That being said I don't see him being able to do much to her aside from never ever die. (Or just Q spam and hope she leaves the lane).
Jax: Can dish out more damage in small engages, and his Counterstrike counters Burst of Speed damn well. The Grandmaster at Arms can apparently beat The Grand Duelist!

Those are the only counters that come to mind atm, I'll be back to see if I think of any others though.

First, I know that Fiora Parry has a particle effect. I just said it's not AS noticeable as other spell shields which all create a giant ass brightly colored bubble around the user (Nocturne, Sivir, and Morgana for examples).

Why Riven counters Teemo. Teemo's speed isn't all that great off his ability at first. So her gap closer combo from E and Q is more than enough to get into range. I do it quite often. Also blinding dart doesnt' affect her harass as I'm dishing out a bunch of damage from Q and W. If teemo decides to stay far away from the minion wave and pick off the edges and move speed the moment that Riven moves towards him, basically playing it really passive, then Riven won't be able to kill Teemo or force him out of lane. It'll be a push but if Teemo does what MOST Teemos do, which is try to harass like crazy, then Riven is going to shut that Teemo down. Teemo relies on blinding dart + poison to poke and add up the damage against targets that can' hit back early on. The problem is doing that puts him in range for some gap closers. This is fine for those heroes that can't do anything but auto attack after gap closing, as blind stops them, but it doesn't work against Riven. That's why I said Riven is not countered by Teemo at all.

As for Fiora versus Teemo, again parry works on blinding dart. Why? I don't know. It just does. There is a thread on the official forums asking Riot why Fiora parries some abilities and not others. It seems arbitrary in some cases. Which means as of right now Fiora shits all over Teemo and massively so on top.


As for the other champs...

Fiora versus Olaf. Reckless swings hurts olaf a bit as well as his target. Sure it's true damage, but Fiora early on isn't relying upon a whole lot of armor to mitigate damage. Also, reckless swings is of course Parriable. So you parry reckless swings which makes Olaf take damage from the activation of the ability and from the riposte. It's silly but it works. olaf has no gap closer on her, no real CC to stop her, and her DPS is far greater early on than Olaf. Fiora will shit on top of any Olaf in lane early on. Unless Olaf gets ahead somehow, he isn't going to win even late game. I've gone toe to toe with full item builds Olafs several times now as Fiora and always win 1v1.

As far as shen goes. He can't handle her DPS early, and his sustain relies upon his vorpal blade and then basic attacks to the target of the blade afterwards. Shen is nasty because he can dash taunt in, pop vorpal blade, use ki strike, and then feint to run away while taking minimum damage. That's how he trades blows and it works well on most enemies. Remember that Fiora has a dash as well. She can dash sideways from towards a minion to avoid Shen's initial dash and THEN dash right back at him. This means Shen doesn't taunt her and doesn't debuff her damage. He can vorpal blade her, but the next hit with ki strike will be parried, thus not hurting Fiora and instead hurting himself unless he has Feint shield on. Speaking of which, Feint shield isn't going to last long when Fiora pops her burst of speed and smacks him silly for a few hits as he will no longer have the energy left to do much as he runs from her. Which won't work as she gains a move speed boost as she is attacking him.

So no, a well played Shen can't beat a well played Fiora. A well played Fiora dashes away from his taunt, and parries his ki strike everytime leaving him useless. He can not trade blows with Fiora this way.


I've destroyed every Nasus I've gone against. Remember that Wither has a LONG cooldown. At early levels his Siphon Strike also has a longish cooldown (drops to 3 seconds at rank 5 though). It's a simple matter of dashing it, and smacking him hard. If he pops wither then dash out to a minions. He has no gap closer and won't catch up. Soon as wither has worn off and you have your cooldowns back to do another combo then assualt Nasus. His wither will NOT be up this time and he is going to feel the pain after that. If Fiora didn't have a double dash this would not be possible. Again, the trick is to use that double dash for an initiation as well as a minor escape if needed as long as you are near a minion wave. It's not nearly as reliable as Renekton's slice and dice, but it is effective.

As for Malphite, yes and no. He does have that shield which prevents pokes. Fiora doesn't poke if well played. You need to be relentless with her. He can steal some speed, but she can build right back up. He can slow down her attack speed somewhat, but you don't realize how MUCH attack speed that E gives her. It will more than make up for the loss. Malphite early on does crap for damage. His biggest attack is his Q which leaves him OOM very quickly unless he builds mana regen. Which means he's not making armor his first set of items. Which means he's not mitigating squat from her attacks. If he builds armor first, then his Q will be depleted soon and now he's stuck doing stupidly low amounts of damage. Sure he mitigates some of her incoming damage, but it will be several levels before he can actually trade blows with her constantly and come out ahead. That's the point I'm making with Fiora. Played well she is RELENTLESS on top. You do not stop attacking the person until they die or retreat to the tower/base. Nothing can stop her in the early levels. No other champ can trade blows with her constantly.

Jax has no sustain at all. He has a stun, which is nice but his steroids are smaller than Fioras. He's also a now much squishier initially than Fiora at lower levels. He has no attack speed steroid until level 6 either. His E is on a rather long cooldown. Right now any self sustain top champ counters Jax HARD. His empower + leapstrike damage pokes just are not enough to force anyone back as they have 10 seconds of time after the combo to heal back up. That's why Jax right now is considered really bad as pick overall. His early game is weak, and his late game is NOTHING like it used to be prior to the remake. Right now Jax counters no one as he's pretty much food for any well played champ. I dare say I rank him worse than Evelynn in terms of power. He's useless in my opinion right now.

Now as far Lee sin goes. I haven't played top against him as Fiora. I do play Lee Sin so I am very familiar with his skill set. Honestly, I can't say which would ultimately better the other. Lee Sin has high damage output, good sustain, gap closer, and an escape. He has a shield, and a minor attack speed steroid built into his passive. Match that with a move speed and attack speed debuff and he's one solid champ. That being said, the one thing that stinks about lee sin is the skillshot. That separates the good ones from the bad ones. Along with timing of his skills to maximize his passive. Lee Sin top in my opinion has no real counter. He has no mana reliance. Good damage, a shield, built in sustain, gap closer, debuffs, CC at level 6, and is hard to gank with an escape. A well played Lee Sin I still feel is the ultimate top laner and can even trash Yorick from the get go. Still he can't stand toe to toe early on against a Fiora. Then again a Fiora isn't going to bully around a good Lee Sin in lane either in my opinion. I feel its a wash in the early levels unless one makes a mistake or a successful gank happens against one or the other.
 
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Since we're talking Fiora, I watched two get absolutely destroyed by Rumble and another destroy Rumble in 3 games the past week. In all cases one of them died at level 2 or 3 and the victor simply continued to kill the loser repeatedly. I don't know which way this one should go as Rumble is a strong but semi-rare champ who isn't great (IMO) until he gets his revolver.
 
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She annoys me. Alot of times when I fight her, I just feel she just does STUFF and I can't really do much about it. Stuff just happens with her.

Though a Fiora on my team yesterday did get absolutley destroyed by a enemy Riven.

Good thing I destroyed that Riven late game.
 

HumblePie

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This is where I believe Fiora's skill level is much higher than Master Yi. Yes she is comparable, but not the same.

What separates the good from the bad is use of her Parry and double dashes correctly. Knowing when, and how to use those is what can either make or break her. Also, she is NOT a passive champ. She is not the type to sit back and farm constantly. That is not her strength at all. She is so strong early on you must literally hammer the opponent in lane from the get go. Failure to do so just allows them the time to gain the levels and items needed to finally counter her easily. It also allows their jungle to camp her top.

Playstyle wise, I don't see many that can counter her if played well. If you play her as a simple melee AD champ or at worst a bruiser then she is going to get owned and countered by the numerous champs that counter those play styles. You can not play her as a traditional melee AD top or bruiser top. She is not a poker, and she is not an escape artist or passive champ. She is an in your face from start to finish with continuous burst type damage that doesn't end. The trick is knowing when to constantly press the attack forward, and stepping back to "parry" the enemies thrust so to speak. She literally is a full frontal assault fencer in play style. It's basically jump in and slash, slash, slash, anticipate the return thrust from opponent, react to thrust, and then back at them slash, slash, slash. Not many champs can handle that play style. She is designed to be played by a super aggressive but very skillfully smart player. Failure to be that player will likely result in failure with playing her. But being able to play her that way will mean you can destroy just about any champ with ease I've found.
 

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I don't play LoL very often but I just hopped on for a game and saw a surprising glitch. Playing Dominion bots I killed Karthas...and it counted as a double kill. The "kills + assists" portraits popped up twice, etc. That ever happen to anyone else?
 

zebano

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I don't play LoL very often but I just hopped on for a game and saw a surprising glitch. Playing Dominion bots I killed Karthas...and it counted as a double kill. The "kills + assists" portraits popped up twice, etc. That ever happen to anyone else?

I can't say I've seen that though I know the game has had similar glitches in the past. I also don't play dominion except to learn skill ranges / combos the first time I play a champion.
 

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So I played Ahri yesterday.

Pretty fun..although still not quite my type of a champ (she is solid though).

I just Solo Q so it's not like im playing ranked games.

Down to Ziggs or Viktor now.
 

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So I played Ahri yesterday.

Pretty fun..although still not quite my type of a champ (she is solid though).

I just Solo Q so it's not like im playing ranked games.

Down to Ziggs or Viktor now.

Who do you main right now?

edit: looks like a lot of Talon/Urgot lately have you tried Cassiopia? I find her stylistically similar to Urgot.
 

Magusigne

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Who do you main right now?

edit: looks like a lot of Talon/Urgot lately have you tried Cassiopia? I find her stylistically similar to Urgot.

I like Skillshots..so Ziggs might be where it's at.

Talon/Urgot Lately.

Cass is usually my main if I'm halfway serious.
 

krnmastersgt

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First, I know that Fiora Parry has a particle effect. I just said it's not AS noticeable as other spell shields which all create a giant ass brightly colored bubble around the user (Nocturne, Sivir, and Morgana for examples).

Why Riven counters Teemo. Teemo's speed isn't all that great off his ability at first. So her gap closer combo from E and Q is more than enough to get into range. I do it quite often. Also blinding dart doesnt' affect her harass as I'm dishing out a bunch of damage from Q and W. If teemo decides to stay far away from the minion wave and pick off the edges and move speed the moment that Riven moves towards him, basically playing it really passive, then Riven won't be able to kill Teemo or force him out of lane. It'll be a push but if Teemo does what MOST Teemos do, which is try to harass like crazy, then Riven is going to shut that Teemo down. Teemo relies on blinding dart + poison to poke and add up the damage against targets that can' hit back early on. The problem is doing that puts him in range for some gap closers. This is fine for those heroes that can't do anything but auto attack after gap closing, as blind stops them, but it doesn't work against Riven. That's why I said Riven is not countered by Teemo at all.

As for Fiora versus Teemo, again parry works on blinding dart. Why? I don't know. It just does. There is a thread on the official forums asking Riot why Fiora parries some abilities and not others. It seems arbitrary in some cases. Which means as of right now Fiora shits all over Teemo and massively so on top.


As for the other champs...

Fiora versus Olaf. Reckless swings hurts olaf a bit as well as his target. Sure it's true damage, but Fiora early on isn't relying upon a whole lot of armor to mitigate damage. Also, reckless swings is of course Parriable. So you parry reckless swings which makes Olaf take damage from the activation of the ability and from the riposte. It's silly but it works. olaf has no gap closer on her, no real CC to stop her, and her DPS is far greater early on than Olaf. Fiora will shit on top of any Olaf in lane early on. Unless Olaf gets ahead somehow, he isn't going to win even late game. I've gone toe to toe with full item builds Olafs several times now as Fiora and always win 1v1.

As far as shen goes. He can't handle her DPS early, and his sustain relies upon his vorpal blade and then basic attacks to the target of the blade afterwards. Shen is nasty because he can dash taunt in, pop vorpal blade, use ki strike, and then feint to run away while taking minimum damage. That's how he trades blows and it works well on most enemies. Remember that Fiora has a dash as well. She can dash sideways from towards a minion to avoid Shen's initial dash and THEN dash right back at him. This means Shen doesn't taunt her and doesn't debuff her damage. He can vorpal blade her, but the next hit with ki strike will be parried, thus not hurting Fiora and instead hurting himself unless he has Feint shield on. Speaking of which, Feint shield isn't going to last long when Fiora pops her burst of speed and smacks him silly for a few hits as he will no longer have the energy left to do much as he runs from her. Which won't work as she gains a move speed boost as she is attacking him.

So no, a well played Shen can't beat a well played Fiora. A well played Fiora dashes away from his taunt, and parries his ki strike everytime leaving him useless. He can not trade blows with Fiora this way.


I've destroyed every Nasus I've gone against. Remember that Wither has a LONG cooldown. At early levels his Siphon Strike also has a longish cooldown (drops to 3 seconds at rank 5 though). It's a simple matter of dashing it, and smacking him hard. If he pops wither then dash out to a minions. He has no gap closer and won't catch up. Soon as wither has worn off and you have your cooldowns back to do another combo then assualt Nasus. His wither will NOT be up this time and he is going to feel the pain after that. If Fiora didn't have a double dash this would not be possible. Again, the trick is to use that double dash for an initiation as well as a minor escape if needed as long as you are near a minion wave. It's not nearly as reliable as Renekton's slice and dice, but it is effective.

As for Malphite, yes and no. He does have that shield which prevents pokes. Fiora doesn't poke if well played. You need to be relentless with her. He can steal some speed, but she can build right back up. He can slow down her attack speed somewhat, but you don't realize how MUCH attack speed that E gives her. It will more than make up for the loss. Malphite early on does crap for damage. His biggest attack is his Q which leaves him OOM very quickly unless he builds mana regen. Which means he's not making armor his first set of items. Which means he's not mitigating squat from her attacks. If he builds armor first, then his Q will be depleted soon and now he's stuck doing stupidly low amounts of damage. Sure he mitigates some of her incoming damage, but it will be several levels before he can actually trade blows with her constantly and come out ahead. That's the point I'm making with Fiora. Played well she is RELENTLESS on top. You do not stop attacking the person until they die or retreat to the tower/base. Nothing can stop her in the early levels. No other champ can trade blows with her constantly.

Jax has no sustain at all. He has a stun, which is nice but his steroids are smaller than Fioras. He's also a now much squishier initially than Fiora at lower levels. He has no attack speed steroid until level 6 either. His E is on a rather long cooldown. Right now any self sustain top champ counters Jax HARD. His empower + leapstrike damage pokes just are not enough to force anyone back as they have 10 seconds of time after the combo to heal back up. That's why Jax right now is considered really bad as pick overall. His early game is weak, and his late game is NOTHING like it used to be prior to the remake. Right now Jax counters no one as he's pretty much food for any well played champ. I dare say I rank him worse than Evelynn in terms of power. He's useless in my opinion right now.

Now as far Lee sin goes. I haven't played top against him as Fiora. I do play Lee Sin so I am very familiar with his skill set. Honestly, I can't say which would ultimately better the other. Lee Sin has high damage output, good sustain, gap closer, and an escape. He has a shield, and a minor attack speed steroid built into his passive. Match that with a move speed and attack speed debuff and he's one solid champ. That being said, the one thing that stinks about lee sin is the skillshot. That separates the good ones from the bad ones. Along with timing of his skills to maximize his passive. Lee Sin top in my opinion has no real counter. He has no mana reliance. Good damage, a shield, built in sustain, gap closer, debuffs, CC at level 6, and is hard to gank with an escape. A well played Lee Sin I still feel is the ultimate top laner and can even trash Yorick from the get go. Still he can't stand toe to toe early on against a Fiora. Then again a Fiora isn't going to bully around a good Lee Sin in lane either in my opinion. I feel its a wash in the early levels unless one makes a mistake or a successful gank happens against one or the other.

I disagree that a Teemo would have issues against a Riven, correctly positioned even if the Riven player is better a Teemo should have an easy time in the lane unless he started with a severe disadvantage for some reason. (like not starting with boots and getting bullied out early)

For Fiora vs. Olaf, she cannot parry Reckless Swings. Not sure what you think she could but that's the inherent issue with why she can't really fight him early on, he has the ability to easily trade with her as long as he doesn't stand in place and let her auto attack to stack her passive too often. He does significantly more damage early on when built to counter a standard top laner due to Reckless Swings alone but in a small area engage he has better damage output than she does too. Unless he's losing badly before 3-4 he should not lose the lane.

As for Shen, it's not the Ki Strike that makes him strong against her. Yes it is a large portion of his damage, but the reason she can't fight a correctly played Shen is that he just Q spams her endlessly with her not being able to retaliate. To prevent her from winning skirmishes you just pop W and taunt away from her if she ever dashes onto you. Now once she gets a Wriggles or a BT or some decent lifesteal going, he can't really do anything to her. But until that point he should be able to easily control the lane and zone her out of any decent farm.

For Nasus, Fiora's primary issue vs. him is that his passive is also sustain in the lane. Now yes she can poke at him the way you described however she will likely leave herself mana starved by doing so. Sure she can parry the Siphon Strike but it's pretty easy to bait her into parrying more often than not and she'll burn through her mana a lot faster than a Nasus turning on Q for no reason will. Also Wither does have a high cooldown, but all you have to do to use it effectively is bait her into using her dash early on, or using it when she can't dash backwards towards your creep as she has no real choice but to fight you or slowly try to run. Not an easy lane for a Nasus, but I still believe due to Wither countering Burst of Speed so strongly that it's not a lane he should lose that easily.

I said Malphite is a counter in the sense that he counters any AD top really. Problem is that vs tanky/sustain champs his Q harass doesn't really do anything so he can't win lanes that readily. Against a Fiora however I believe he should be able to more or less win as her regen is weak early on unless she can build up stacks by attacking champions, which Malphite's entire kit counteracts. I wouldn't pick Malph to fight a Fiora but again, not a lane that he should lose till she can farm while ignoring his damage.

Jax does have an AS steroid, it's his current passive. The ult just gives him a really powerful AD/AP steroid (flat amount + % more) and the on-hit effect every 3 hits. Leap + W might be a common harass combo but it's not all he's limited to. He can easily just stand in melee range of creep and hit Fiora with a W every time she comes near, then back off till its off cooldown to chip away at her. If she engages on him with both casts of the dash, then turn on Counterstrike to negate her Burst of Speed and smack her around a bit more.

He doesn't have sustain, this is true. But Fiora's passive early on isn't a huge source of lane sustain either unless she gets to smack champions a lot, which she can easily but the "counters" I listed above are good vs. her due to the fact that when she comes in to hit you a few times they're able to hit her back substantially harder.

Another strong counter I'm thinking of is Udyr, but he's basically a wall that stalls top lane against almost anyone. But anyways his pools allows him to easily trade with her (and anyone else pretty much) and if she ever tries to engage he can just Bear Stance, punch her, and back off a bit.

She's not impossible to counter by any means, she's just strong against a lot of the more passive top laners. But most of the really aggressive top laners are easily capable of fighting her if they don't waste their abilities to stop her.
 

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Just had a hilarious ranked as Trist. I ended up having 4 kills before I even got 1 cs xD

First we invaded and killed the Trundle since he was thinking of stealing wraiths and we 5 man'd him, I got the kill. Then their Ezreal tried to pick off our Swain while me, Taric, and Ali were doing our blue so then we killed him by flashing/jumping the wall; Soraka had come to help Ezreal and ended up dying for it as well as their Veigar so our team had 4 kills and like 4 assists on both supports before I even got to lane to get any CS Ended up grabbing a 4.5 minute BF sword! Ended the game 13/1/1 in a 23 minute Nexus takedown
 

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Just had a hilarious ranked as Trist. I ended up having 4 kills before I even got 1 cs xD

First we invaded and killed the Trundle since he was thinking of stealing wraiths and we 5 man'd him, I got the kill. Then their Ezreal tried to pick off our Swain while me, Taric, and Ali were doing our blue so then we killed him by flashing/jumping the wall; Soraka had come to help Ezreal and ended up dying for it as well as their Veigar so our team had 4 kills and like 4 assists on both supports before I even got to lane to get any CS Ended up grabbing a 4.5 minute BF sword! Ended the game 13/1/1 in a 23 minute Nexus takedown

Did you level W first for the invade or e? It sounds like W just because it resets on kills which would make it available to get that many kills.
 

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Just to let you know, krnmastersgt, I did some testing last night with several duels with people using Fiora and doing 1v1 top lane comparisons.

First off, how her passive works I found out. It parries ANYTHING*... I put that asterik there because it parries the damage component of any attack made against her. It does not parry any status effects I found out. So Teemo's blind dart would do zero damage, but she would still be blinded for the duration. Olaf's reckless swings deal ZERO damage to her if she parries it. I also found out that if you parry another Fiora's ult, the entire damage from the ult is reduced to zero. All 5 strikes, since it technically the same damage ability from one attack just spread out will have the entire damage parried out. I haven't tested it against every ability, but quite a bit that I was seeing a pattern. I want to test it out against a karthus ult and see if I can parry the damage from that.

Secondly, a well built Fiora late game is a MONSTER. I had a 6 item Fiora I could just auto attack kill a 6 item Olaf build wailing away at me with everything he had. Not a damn thing he could do. Just for reference. Fiora, well built, is a late game monster.

As for top lane. Fiora completely WRECKS Olaf early. No way Olaf has her damage output. She starts with higher base stats overall except health. She has higher scaling. She has steroids that start in early levels. Olaf has very little sustain, no gap closer, no escape, and no real way to deal with her early. His damage scales off his health overall and he doesn't have a huge amount of that at the early levels. Since she CAN parry the entire damage done by a reckless swing attack, she will destroy an Olaf early on if he decides to trade blows with her. If a Fiora waits to initiate an encounter after he has thrown his axe to kill a minion or something then he has zero way to run from her or hold her off either. Olaf is just pure food for Fiora.

As for vorpal blade, the damage it does is easily out sustained by an early level Fiora. Even with a Doran's blade for 3% life steal and the 3% lifesteal (for 6% total) from masteries will allow her to sustain through it. Let alone factoring in her passive (which while not great is a boost to sustain for her in lane). Shen has nothing on Fiora top if he can't land his taunt against her. But that is the real trick. A Shen that can land his taunt on a Fiora constantly is going to win lane. But that just means the Fiora was bad for not being able to avoid it. Not that the Shen was exceptionally good or that Shen is even a counter pick to Fiora.

And as I said with Nasus, he has squat early on against her. He has sustain, but it comes from lifesteal through his passive. His regular attacks just don't deal shit for damage early on. Nasus relies upon his Siphon Strike for his damage and early sustain. Which means he needs to build that Strike up as fast as possible to do anything with sustain. That is why Fiora counters him. She can literally be in his face from the start at level 1 and not relent. He can't farm Q, and he can't sustain. He can't even hit her with a Siphon Strike without getting parried. A good Fiora will shut down a Nasus early and hard. Unless the Nasus gets help from the jungle in the form of camping top against Fiora then Nasus isn't going to do squat.
 
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krnmastersgt

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Did you level W first for the invade or e? It sounds like W just because it resets on kills which would make it available to get that many kills.

W first always, whether I invade or I lane I start with W. I started the kill on Trundle with my slow which let me team catch up with their tons of CC (Irelia, Taric, Alistar, Swain). The 60% slow early on is amazingly powerful, and yes it did lead me to getting those kills as they were ahead of me but I did damage + slow + gap closed by using my rocket jump.

I just did a test in a practice with a friend, she cannot parry the damage from Reckless Swings (nor does it proc the reflect) so not really sure what happened in your test. Correctly played, except for people that can range poke him, Olaf outdamages just about everyone. She does have decent early game but I highly doubt, with equal player skill, that she is going to really be capable of fighting an Olaf.

And as I said before, Nasus can force Fiora into wasting the parry and burning her mana pool to get anything done against him. If it turns into a straight farm lane Nasus is going to be scary as well due to high Siphon bonus damage.

And for Shen, I think you severely underestimate how much Vorpal spam actually does to you in a lane. It can take chunks out of your HP bar every time its cast, and he's able to do so with Fiora incapable of retaliating.

Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing Fiora, I enjoy playing her and she's potent at certain things. But she has plenty of counters, the fact that she's a duelist assassin means if you build armor to counter her damage she really can't do anything in the lane anymore. And you can say a well played Fiora is a monster at top, but so are a lot of other champs once you get used to the nuances of them. She's just an easy champ to use to her full potential imo as her ability pool is pretty straightforward, just need to work on when to Riposte really.
 

zebano

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W first always, whether I invade or I lane I start with W. I started the kill on Trundle with my slow which let me team catch up with their tons of CC (Irelia, Taric, Alistar, Swain). The 60% slow early on is amazingly powerful, and yes it did lead me to getting those kills as they were ahead of me but I did damage + slow + gap closed by using my rocket jump.

Hmm I always start with e and poke one or two times at level 1 and then jump (and prioritize w from 2 on). I can't say I've ever invaded with Trist however.
 

krnmastersgt

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Hmm I always start with e and poke one or two times at level 1 and then jump (and prioritize w from 2 on). I can't say I've ever invaded with Trist however.

I always start with W since if you get early ganked/your jungler ganks at 2 you can add in or escape. Or if lets say they mess up and your Alistar or Taric gets a good stun on them at 1, then you jump in and dish out the damage. Starting with E is fine but it basically means you're going to have to be passive till 2, and the harass damage isn't all that great, so that's why I start with W.

Whats the rest of your skill order for Trist?
I go W E W E W R then max W and Q with the last points finishing off E.
 

zebano

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I always start with W since if you get early ganked/your jungler ganks at 2 you can add in or escape. Or if lets say they mess up and your Alistar or Taric gets a good stun on them at 1, then you jump in and dish out the damage. Starting with E is fine but it basically means you're going to have to be passive till 2, and the harass damage isn't all that great, so that's why I start with W.

Whats the rest of your skill order for Trist?
I go W E W E W R then max W and Q with the last points finishing off E.

E W W E W R W E W Q R W then R > Q > E. Occasionally I'll grab 1 point in Q at level 8 and rarely I'll max E before even getting a point in Q but 2 or three points is enough to push and act as an extra ignite on fleeing enemies (or as heal reduction). I find that around level 12 the enemy bruisers and mages are strong enough that I start playing more like a traditional carry staying back, kiting and only jumping in to secure kills, chase or as an extra kiting/escape mechanism.
 

Firsttime

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So me and Prizmm think we may have a bot lane buster. We like kill lanes, but the problem with kill lanes is you loose sustain and can be countered by passive play. But, with the new runes you can get 9% spell vamp level 1. We kinda did this tonight accidentally. You take two AP's with good poke, useful with little farm too. Kennen/Cass is perfect, but Morde/Ahri/Swain could probably fit as well. Zone hard with insane poke that doesn't push overly hard, and both rush Wota's. You individually end up with ~150ap, 49% spell vamp for sustain and good burst for killing passive lanes that deal with kill lanes a lot.

Probably not a tourney worthy strat. But I think it's 100% viable in the silver/gold range. At least the 1600 Graves/Soraka combo we raped tonight probably thinks so.
 

Malak

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Umm, you can't be banned for that. Unfortunately, Riot doesn't list the reason why you were banned so you are only making an assumption as to why. You already stated you have a past of trolling, so methinks it just finally caught up with you.

Uh, actually you can get banned for anything. Been proven dozens of times. People have made new accounts just to prove that you can be banned for nothing at all. Riot doesn't actually do anything about it, they don't care and won't be bothered with it. That's the entire point the tribunal exists, they gave the power to the players. And the players are douchebags. I proved it myself, I trolled for a month straight and never once got banned. But I've been banned FIVE TIMES when I was doing nothing at all.
 
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Uh, actually you can get banned for anything. Been proven dozens of times. People have made new accounts just to prove that you can be banned for nothing at all. Riot doesn't actually do anything about it, they don't care and won't be bothered with it. That's the entire point the tribunal exists, they gave the power to the players. And the players are douchebags. I proved it myself, I trolled for a month straight and never once got banned. But I've been banned FIVE TIMES when I was doing nothing at all.

You realize the correlation does not equal causation thing is in effect here.
 

xSkyDrAx

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So me and Prizmm think we may have a bot lane buster. We like kill lanes, but the problem with kill lanes is you loose sustain and can be countered by passive play. But, with the new runes you can get 9% spell vamp level 1. We kinda did this tonight accidentally. You take two AP's with good poke, useful with little farm too. Kennen/Cass is perfect, but Morde/Ahri/Swain could probably fit as well. Zone hard with insane poke that doesn't push overly hard, and both rush Wota's. You individually end up with ~150ap, 49% spell vamp for sustain and good burst for killing passive lanes that deal with kill lanes a lot.

Probably not a tourney worthy strat. But I think it's 100% viable in the silver/gold range. At least the 1600 Graves/Soraka combo we raped tonight probably thinks so.

Run teemo & cass for free procs for Cass's E. Works with any poison champ.
 

zebano

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Uh, actually you can get banned for anything. Been proven dozens of times. People have made new accounts just to prove that you can be banned for nothing at all. Riot doesn't actually do anything about it, they don't care and won't be bothered with it. That's the entire point the tribunal exists, they gave the power to the players. And the players are douchebags. I proved it myself, I trolled for a month straight and never once got banned. But I've been banned FIVE TIMES when I was doing nothing at all.

or they finally got around to processing your 5 months of trolling and all the reports it generated.....
 

xSkyDrAx

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Jungle Nautilus is fun but I wish he had a bit more dmg. He relies almost soley on his teams to pick up any kills unless you manage to last hit the champ. Other than that sooo much CC and after your first run of the jungle you're set.
 

crownjules

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Jungle Nautilus is fun but I wish he had a bit more dmg. He relies almost soley on his teams to pick up any kills unless you manage to last hit the champ. Other than that sooo much CC and after your first run of the jungle you're set.

That's pretty much the point of Nautilus. He's supposed to bring a lot of CC to the fight. If he had damage on top of that he'd be OP. Much like Leona.
 
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