HumblePie
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As for Riven vs Teemo, not likely unless the Teemo player is bad. Yes she isn't affected by blinds that much, however her gap close is not equal to his attack range, and Teemo is generally faster than you while laning meaning he has no excuse for getting caught. I was not aware that Riposte could parry Blinding Dart however which I find moronic as its a magic damage spell.
And to HumblePie, Fiora does have a particle effect to notify enemies that she has just activated Riposte so not sure if you just don't notice it or if for some reason you can't see it. Also she is pretty easily beaten in lane by a few champions. I see her counters being:
Olaf: Reckless Swings just makes it impossible to fairly damage trade with him past level 3 or 5
Shen: In terms of straightforward laning, he can harass her endlessly without her being able to really engage him if he doesn't want to. HOWEVER it is hard for him to stop her farming once she gets a Wriggles, he just won't lose typically.
Lee Sin: Counters both her gap closer and AS steroid really well, once he gets a few levels she can't really duel him and thusly can't truly win the lane.
Nasus: Yeah she can parry your Siphon Strike, but your Wither absolutely owns her Burst of Speed, also you can just auto attack her to provoke her into using Riposte THEN hitting her with Siphon, that or she lets you hit her face repeatedly.
Malphite: Basically the epitome of counters to Fiora, has scaling damage off armor which is effective in neutralizing her damage, has an AS debuff, which neutralizes her damage, has a 10% of max hp shield which prevents her from poking/trading effectively. And he can basically outrun her whenever he wants by just hitting her with Q. That being said I don't see him being able to do much to her aside from never ever die. (Or just Q spam and hope she leaves the lane).
Jax: Can dish out more damage in small engages, and his Counterstrike counters Burst of Speed damn well. The Grandmaster at Arms can apparently beat The Grand Duelist!
Those are the only counters that come to mind atm, I'll be back to see if I think of any others though.
First, I know that Fiora Parry has a particle effect. I just said it's not AS noticeable as other spell shields which all create a giant ass brightly colored bubble around the user (Nocturne, Sivir, and Morgana for examples).
Why Riven counters Teemo. Teemo's speed isn't all that great off his ability at first. So her gap closer combo from E and Q is more than enough to get into range. I do it quite often. Also blinding dart doesnt' affect her harass as I'm dishing out a bunch of damage from Q and W. If teemo decides to stay far away from the minion wave and pick off the edges and move speed the moment that Riven moves towards him, basically playing it really passive, then Riven won't be able to kill Teemo or force him out of lane. It'll be a push but if Teemo does what MOST Teemos do, which is try to harass like crazy, then Riven is going to shut that Teemo down. Teemo relies on blinding dart + poison to poke and add up the damage against targets that can' hit back early on. The problem is doing that puts him in range for some gap closers. This is fine for those heroes that can't do anything but auto attack after gap closing, as blind stops them, but it doesn't work against Riven. That's why I said Riven is not countered by Teemo at all.
As for Fiora versus Teemo, again parry works on blinding dart. Why? I don't know. It just does. There is a thread on the official forums asking Riot why Fiora parries some abilities and not others. It seems arbitrary in some cases. Which means as of right now Fiora shits all over Teemo and massively so on top.
As for the other champs...
Fiora versus Olaf. Reckless swings hurts olaf a bit as well as his target. Sure it's true damage, but Fiora early on isn't relying upon a whole lot of armor to mitigate damage. Also, reckless swings is of course Parriable. So you parry reckless swings which makes Olaf take damage from the activation of the ability and from the riposte. It's silly but it works. olaf has no gap closer on her, no real CC to stop her, and her DPS is far greater early on than Olaf. Fiora will shit on top of any Olaf in lane early on. Unless Olaf gets ahead somehow, he isn't going to win even late game. I've gone toe to toe with full item builds Olafs several times now as Fiora and always win 1v1.
As far as shen goes. He can't handle her DPS early, and his sustain relies upon his vorpal blade and then basic attacks to the target of the blade afterwards. Shen is nasty because he can dash taunt in, pop vorpal blade, use ki strike, and then feint to run away while taking minimum damage. That's how he trades blows and it works well on most enemies. Remember that Fiora has a dash as well. She can dash sideways from towards a minion to avoid Shen's initial dash and THEN dash right back at him. This means Shen doesn't taunt her and doesn't debuff her damage. He can vorpal blade her, but the next hit with ki strike will be parried, thus not hurting Fiora and instead hurting himself unless he has Feint shield on. Speaking of which, Feint shield isn't going to last long when Fiora pops her burst of speed and smacks him silly for a few hits as he will no longer have the energy left to do much as he runs from her. Which won't work as she gains a move speed boost as she is attacking him.
So no, a well played Shen can't beat a well played Fiora. A well played Fiora dashes away from his taunt, and parries his ki strike everytime leaving him useless. He can not trade blows with Fiora this way.
I've destroyed every Nasus I've gone against. Remember that Wither has a LONG cooldown. At early levels his Siphon Strike also has a longish cooldown (drops to 3 seconds at rank 5 though). It's a simple matter of dashing it, and smacking him hard. If he pops wither then dash out to a minions. He has no gap closer and won't catch up. Soon as wither has worn off and you have your cooldowns back to do another combo then assualt Nasus. His wither will NOT be up this time and he is going to feel the pain after that. If Fiora didn't have a double dash this would not be possible. Again, the trick is to use that double dash for an initiation as well as a minor escape if needed as long as you are near a minion wave. It's not nearly as reliable as Renekton's slice and dice, but it is effective.
As for Malphite, yes and no. He does have that shield which prevents pokes. Fiora doesn't poke if well played. You need to be relentless with her. He can steal some speed, but she can build right back up. He can slow down her attack speed somewhat, but you don't realize how MUCH attack speed that E gives her. It will more than make up for the loss. Malphite early on does crap for damage. His biggest attack is his Q which leaves him OOM very quickly unless he builds mana regen. Which means he's not making armor his first set of items. Which means he's not mitigating squat from her attacks. If he builds armor first, then his Q will be depleted soon and now he's stuck doing stupidly low amounts of damage. Sure he mitigates some of her incoming damage, but it will be several levels before he can actually trade blows with her constantly and come out ahead. That's the point I'm making with Fiora. Played well she is RELENTLESS on top. You do not stop attacking the person until they die or retreat to the tower/base. Nothing can stop her in the early levels. No other champ can trade blows with her constantly.
Jax has no sustain at all. He has a stun, which is nice but his steroids are smaller than Fioras. He's also a now much squishier initially than Fiora at lower levels. He has no attack speed steroid until level 6 either. His E is on a rather long cooldown. Right now any self sustain top champ counters Jax HARD. His empower + leapstrike damage pokes just are not enough to force anyone back as they have 10 seconds of time after the combo to heal back up. That's why Jax right now is considered really bad as pick overall. His early game is weak, and his late game is NOTHING like it used to be prior to the remake. Right now Jax counters no one as he's pretty much food for any well played champ. I dare say I rank him worse than Evelynn in terms of power. He's useless in my opinion right now.
Now as far Lee sin goes. I haven't played top against him as Fiora. I do play Lee Sin so I am very familiar with his skill set. Honestly, I can't say which would ultimately better the other. Lee Sin has high damage output, good sustain, gap closer, and an escape. He has a shield, and a minor attack speed steroid built into his passive. Match that with a move speed and attack speed debuff and he's one solid champ. That being said, the one thing that stinks about lee sin is the skillshot. That separates the good ones from the bad ones. Along with timing of his skills to maximize his passive. Lee Sin top in my opinion has no real counter. He has no mana reliance. Good damage, a shield, built in sustain, gap closer, debuffs, CC at level 6, and is hard to gank with an escape. A well played Lee Sin I still feel is the ultimate top laner and can even trash Yorick from the get go. Still he can't stand toe to toe early on against a Fiora. Then again a Fiora isn't going to bully around a good Lee Sin in lane either in my opinion. I feel its a wash in the early levels unless one makes a mistake or a successful gank happens against one or the other.
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