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Fenixgoon

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So, I've had 10 buddies sign up for LoL with me as their reference so I get a 975 RP champ, between Vlad, Irelia, Vayne, and Karthus, who should I go for?

depends on what you like to play. irelia is a lot of fun against other melee chars.

they get a few hits in, a stun or slow...then you just E/W and win

haven't really played karth/vlad/vayne.
 

HumblePie

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there have been some really stupid graphic glitch bugs since the last patch. One common one I've gotten as well as others is the Nexus crystals detach themselves from the center of the Nexus and start spinning around the Nexus in a concentric ring instead. Doesn't seem to hamper gameplay at least, but it sometimes leads to worse graphical glitches popping up.


The game however as always had problems with graphic glitches if you crash while playing and come right back into the game. The client and server "forget" certain things like exactly which items you had so you seen icons for incorrect items for example. That is another common. The REAL item is still there and you gain the effects of it, but you don't see the correct icon for it. One of the worst graphical glitches is when health bars from champions disappear and you can't see them anymore. Makes targetting low health chars harder for either killing or healing.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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depends on what you like to play. irelia is a lot of fun against other melee chars.

they get a few hits in, a stun or slow...then you just E/W and win

haven't really played karth/vlad/vayne.

Meh, my GP eats every Irelia for breakfast. I've had a my full build GP go against several full build irelias of various sorts. They don't win in a slugout fest.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Irelia is one of the best tanky dps in the game
Go for her.

Oh she's good alright. Still my GP bruiser tankplank build eats anything she has for breakfast. My xin as well. Only difference is that with Xin, her stun can let her get away, but with GP she can't unless she has summoner escape spells ready and I don't.
 

HumblePie

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incase anyone wants it, this is what I do for my GP.

21/0/9 Masteries
Attack Speed quints, crit chance reds, armor yellows, and CDR blues
Flash + Exhaust (usually)
for skills I put 1 point in parrrley and then max out E and W as fast as possible with E first. I also put a point in R evey time I can.

I like to build the following:

Madreds Razor -> Wriggles Lantern
Boots -> Zerker Boots
Avarice Blade -> Ghostblade (last item)
Giants Belt -> ruby -> Regrowth Pendant -> Warmogs
Chain vest -> Atmas Impaler
Negatron Cloak -> Banshee Veil (if they have AP casters that are focusing me)
OR
Zeal -> Tri force (if they are more AD based but usually go with the Veil)


I end up with like 190 armor, 120 MR, 4.2K hitpoints for defense. Plus a self heal and cleanse with Remove Scurvy. Plenty of lifesteal as well with wriggles and the damage output. I also have around 430 move speed with his E passive. Plus blocking 1 ability effect every 45 seconds is nice with the veil. His W will heal him for 360+ per.

For offense I end up with 1.4 attack speed, 280ish AD (with his E passive), and 50% crit chance. Hitting his E for the active effect makes his move speed jump to 480ish and AD over 300.

Basically he's a monster to take down even in team fights once built this way. Very tank, hard to focus, and can escape CC. It's funny watching a whole team blow all their CC cooldowns on me at the start of a team fight to which I eat it off, back up a second while my team goes in to start dishing damage and then I come in a second later and seal the deal. There is no running from a gangplank, especially if I have a red buff. Ult + Passive + red buff and if I get Tri force even that all can stack to practically stop people in their tracks.

The reasons for my summoner abilities are two fold. Flash is great for getting to and away from opponents who use the same ability. Exhaust I keep because it helps with slows if my ult is down or they flash through it before I can apply another slow of a different sort. Also, about the only hero that can takedown GP is a well built trynd. GP can take his initial life down to zero FIRST, but then you are stuck with an endless raging trynd beating on your butt and not dying. It's not hard to kill a trynd, but you need exhaust to do so if they are good. Exhaust him as he starts on you, then blow him up to make him waste his ult. When he comes for you then run. Watch him blow his mocking shout for a slow and then use remove scurvy to stop it. At this point you should be able to kite him until the ult wears off and he then will die.
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
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So, I've had 10 buddies sign up for LoL with me as their reference so I get a 975 RP champ, between Vlad, Irelia, Vayne, and Karthus, who should I go for?


Why would you use RP to buy a champ? Just play more games
 

Kabob

Lifer
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Why would you use RP to buy a champ? Just play more games

No, if you get 10 referrals you get a 975 RP champ for free.

Linky

Although looking at the description of the reward itself I wonder if they just add 975 RP to your account...hrm.

I've used Irelia before and I wasn't very good but that was long ago when I was new to the game and didn't really know what was going on. I really like her play style though. Vayne just seems to eat me alive in games although I don't really like her play style. Karthas and Vlad just seemed like a decent idea.

*edit* Yup, I redeemed the reward and it just adds 975 RP to your account, guess I get to wait for sales now!
 
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Firsttime

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He unlocks a " tier 3" or 975 rp hero for his referals

I know you're a big garen player. I was too for awhile. You should look at Wukong if you want to add a similar style hero. If you want AP brand and oriana are where its at.
 
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crownjules

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You know, I've not seen a Vlad in game since the nerf to his Q + the nerf to Revolver stacking. I'll have to give him a play tonight to see if it really was that big of a hit to his Q's healing. Not that it should matter if you're a smart player and don't let yourself get harassed that much. Nor did I bother getting Revolver unless Will of the Ancients was a good item to get for the team.

I guess he's just fallen out of the current meta.
 

ImpulsE69

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Nasus is such a beast now. I am curious if they'll keep him like he is or nerf him back down. I might pick him up.
 

Malak

Lifer
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One of the worst graphical glitches is when health bars from champions disappear and you can't see them anymore. Makes targetting low health chars harder for either killing or healing.

Are you sure you aren't accidentally pressing L? It removes healthbars, I accidentally do it sometimes. At least I think it is L. Maybe H. One of those two.
 

douglasb

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So, I've had 10 buddies sign up for LoL with me as their reference so I get a 975 RP champ, between Vlad, Irelia, Vayne, and Karthus, who should I go for?

You actually get the 975 RP, so you could legitimately buy 2 champs if they happen to be on sale.
 

Kabob

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He unlocks a " tier 3" or 975 rp hero for his referals

I know you're a big garen player. I was too for awhile. You should look at Wukong if you want to add a similar style hero. If you want AP brand and oriana are where its at.

I tried Wukong when he was free and didn't like him at all. Not sure what it was but he just didn't seem to dish out the damage. I've yet to see a really good Wukong played yet, but he is new.

Not a big Brand fan but I love Orianna. I considered getting her but since she's 4800 IP rather than 6300 I figured I'd just grab her that way.

Nasus is such a beast now. I am curious if they'll keep him like he is or nerf him back down. I might pick him up.

I thought he was a good champion before the buffs. No surprises here.

It's amazing, I rarely see anyone use Nasus yet when I do it seems to go really well for said player. I need to give him a try as I've not used him in ages and I got him with my collector's pack.
 

Firsttime

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You need to try him now, you're right when he was released he did crap for damage, but now he's MUCH better. They fixed a bug on his q that had it only reducing base armor instead of total armor. He feels like a DPS now.
 

ImpulsE69

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I thought he was a good champion before the buffs. No surprises here.

Before the buffs I pretty much ignored him. He just didn't really do much. Every great once in awhile you'd come across a good one..but for the most part. Meh. Now..yes, he's just wow. I do think they'll nerf him back down a bit soon though.
 

ivan2

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Before buff nasas is a beast of you let him farm up alone at top, now he's probably gonna be a insane pub stomper.
Blog: feeding up a storm with rumble, fun to play but a bit team dependent in group fights.
 

HumblePie

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Before buff nasas is a beast of you let him farm up alone at top, now he's probably gonna be a insane pub stomper.
Blog: feeding up a storm with rumble, fun to play but a bit team dependent in group fights.

Yah, nasus really needs solo farm though to build his siphon strike. Without that then he's still pretty worthless late game. He can do well enough at bot lane with a support char that isn't trying to get too much farm and if the enemy is melee based as well. Otherwise good range chars will harass the shit out of him to prevent him from getting the farm needed to build his siphon strike. He's still pretty squishy early game.

Late game though with that massive buff to his lifesteal and a built up siphon strike... that's just nasty right now. I was playing him and managed to get +300 built into his siphon strike. With a triforce and infinity edge, atmas, and warmogs, I had like 400 AD I think. That was 400 + 300 + the base damage it add all on top of your auto attack. Something like 1K damage. Crit strikes were for 2.5K. The life steal from that alone was enough to let me wade into the middle of a team fight with the his going and not have to worry about really anything.

He's a BEAST if he can build up his siphon strike that much. It takes 100 last hits on minions to get that high though. You can insta pop any squishie character like that though. Of course veigar can do something similar as well with his Q. The difference is veigar stays somewhat squishie while nasus doesn't. Then again veigar has that stun ring and range while nasus has to get up close to the action.

So while I think the buff was a huge improvement for him, I don't think it's as awesome as people make it out to be. He's easily stopped if his laning opponent(s) is smart enough to prevent him from Q farming. If so, he becomes a lackluster bruiser damage sponge that can be ignored for the most part in team fights.
 

Kabob

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Riot talks their new champion pricing strategy:

Summoners!

We have heard your concerns about champion IP prices, and know that many of you are looking for more affordable options to round out your champion lineups. Fair enough! In an effort to satisfy these concerns, we're going to be rolling out a series of brand new initiatives aimed at bringing you some more bang for your proverbial buck.

For starters, as you've already seen in the past few weeks, we've begun to reduce the prices on many of our older, more classic champions. Beginning back in April we slashed the IP costs of Malphite, Morgana, and Ryze, with Cho'gath, Taric and Annie following shortly thereafter in August. You can expect to see more of the same for many more of these old favorites going forward. This is all part of an ongoing plan aimed at ensuring that we have a strong, well-rounded compliment of affordable champions available for any play style.

Additionally, if you're looking to get your hands on some of our more contemporary additions to the League, we're also going to be offering a series of new bundle deals. We'll be trying out a number of different options in the future, offering everything from champion variety packs to bundles themed around specific roles.

Stay tuned for more updates on these and future deals!
 

xSkyDrAx

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Riot talks their new champion pricing strategy:

I like what Riot is currently doing with the old champions and reducing their prices. I totally understand their need to release the majority of new champs at 6300/975 for the sake of earning money. The new bundle options sound nice as well but I hate the lol forum QQ every time a new champ is released. It's like people don't understand the logic behind it or not give a crap about it because they're too lazy to play for 6300 or pay the $10. It's not like you have to have every champ that comes out and if you do then why shouldn't you be expected to play more or throw in some dollars.
 

xSkyDrAx

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Yah, nasus really needs solo farm though to build his siphon strike. Without that then he's still pretty worthless late game. He can do well enough at bot lane with a support char that isn't trying to get too much farm and if the enemy is melee based as well. Otherwise good range chars will harass the shit out of him to prevent him from getting the farm needed to build his siphon strike. He's still pretty squishy early game.

Late game though with that massive buff to his lifesteal and a built up siphon strike... that's just nasty right now. I was playing him and managed to get +300 built into his siphon strike. With a triforce and infinity edge, atmas, and warmogs, I had like 400 AD I think. That was 400 + 300 + the base damage it add all on top of your auto attack. Something like 1K damage. Crit strikes were for 2.5K. The life steal from that alone was enough to let me wade into the middle of a team fight with the his going and not have to worry about really anything.

He's a BEAST if he can build up his siphon strike that much. It takes 100 last hits on minions to get that high though. You can insta pop any squishie character like that though. Of course veigar can do something similar as well with his Q. The difference is veigar stays somewhat squishie while nasus doesn't. Then again veigar has that stun ring and range while nasus has to get up close to the action.

So while I think the buff was a huge improvement for him, I don't think it's as awesome as people make it out to be. He's easily stopped if his laning opponent(s) is smart enough to prevent him from Q farming. If so, he becomes a lackluster bruiser damage sponge that can be ignored for the most part in team fights.

Nasus, while better than before, will still have the same problem of being kited too easily by anyone that knows what they're doing. Like you said once you can deny him farm for his Q he will be very medicore in terms of damage output. Sure he might be able to tank it up but he has no real tank skills. Though that new jungling nasus might mitigate some of his early game issues since I've seen some jungling nasus farm it up in the jungle unharassed but even then I feel it's iffy if your team isnt holding the lane well.
 

ImpulsE69

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I must play this game too much because I can't understand how someone can't afford 6300 IP. After a period of time you have all the runes you need, so really you only HAVE to spend IP on characters...

Currently sitting at 48K IP.
 

Chiropteran

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Nasus, while better than before, will still have the same problem of being kited too easily by anyone that knows what they're doing. Like you said once you can deny him farm for his Q he will be very medicore in terms of damage output. Sure he might be able to tank it up but he has no real tank skills. Though that new jungling nasus might mitigate some of his early game issues since I've seen some jungling nasus farm it up in the jungle unharassed but even then I feel it's iffy if your team isnt holding the lane well.

Tank is the way to go. Not a single point in offensive masteries and all tank gear and his Q still hits like a truck, and R does massive aoe damage, there is zero reason IMO to build him as dps.

As far as getting kited, nasus is one of the best tower wreckers in the game. I'll happily let quicker enemy champions "kite" away from me while I bulldoze every one of their towers and barracks. In addition, if the enemy team is playing too defensive, nasus is also one of the best baron killers in the game. You just have so many alternative strategy options with nasus. With him it is not about getting kills outright, it's about winning the game.
 

ImpulsE69

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Been watching the dominion games. I will say I'm actually excited for it. It looks like it's a much more active right out of the door game. No minions to kill for powerups, it's more about speed and map awareness.
 
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