League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[RPD]

If you are down 5-0 at cap points (evidently by you mention of 4 other capturables plus the one they are amassing at), it is hardly a single player's fault

It's not, but it doesn't excuse a player going in 1v4 to die and not helping anything. And doing this repeatly even if its 3-2 nodes and they all happen to be capturing one node and the other 2-3 are open with no one in sight.

Edit - It's as if players think dying has zero influcene on the nexus.

 

[Magusigne]

Just unlocked Talon today.

Thought about some other's but I have a ton of mages. Figured I wanted an Assassin.

Now I just have to get good.

What quints should I pick up for him.

HP or Armor Pen.

I'm leaning toward HP so I can use them on other heroes...

 

[douglasb]

HP, Armor Pen, or Movespeed

 

[Chiropteran]

What quints should I pick up for him.

HP or Armor Pen.

I'm leaning toward HP so I can use them on other heroes...

I really like move speed quints as a general purpose quint usable on all champions.

HP used to be better before the nerf, I don't really ever use them anymore. I'd go for armor pen if you don't want to try move speed.


I've noticed something about the game, I'm going to call it the Chiropteran Effect. I'll play a champion I know how to play but I haven't used in awhile (malphite for example), and do incredibly well. Like 4/0/11 20 minute surrender good. Then I'll play it again and win 1-2 more games, and then suddenly start playing really terrible with the same champion, like I can't win a game for anything. When that happens, I try a different champion with similar role (such as jarvan), and again dominate my first game playing as him.. and then do well 1-2 more games, before I start losing again. Basically every time I go and play a solid champ I haven't touched in at least a week I do really well with it, for a couple games, before hitting a brick wall.

I suspect it's mostly psychological, in that once I win a few games I get over confident with the champion and make mistakes. Maybe I should simply always switch champions if I ever get two wins in a row.

 

[Firsttime]

HP quints seem like they would be awesome. But they are useless, I own them, and never ever use them. You want your runes to offer something that is tough to itemize for that hero. So in the case of the melee DPS caster you need CDR and Apen. Max CDR can be itemized relatively easily through masteries and a few items. Apen on the other hand is much tougher. There are only two choices and if you have a lot of Apen from runes you can skip Last Whisper in favor of items which offer more benefits, ghostblade on the other hand is awesome since it builds from one of the most cost effective items in the game, brutalizer and gives amazing stats. MS quints are also awesome on almost everyone, and so are Armor runes, even though armor is easy to itemize having the runes helps you to lane early and allows you to rush other items in most cases. If you have Apen, Flat AP, MS and Flat AD runes you have 99% of all your quint needs covered.

 

[Chiropteran]

I like flat armor and flat magic resist as well, or scaling if I am playing a late game champ and expect to level up a bit before I really try for kills.

 

[Firsttime]

You don't tend to get exposed to a lot of magic damage early game. If you're laning as a tanky DPS against like Swain or something flat MR is great, otherwise scaling tends to be better.

 

[zebano]

I like flat armor and flat magic resist as well, or scaling if I am playing a late game champ and expect to level up a bit before I really try for kills.

This... I've tweaked my runepages a bit to fully utilize having 10 pages and it's amazing having options for my casters of Armor/MR/pureAP.


I now have
mpen/APlvl/APlvl/FlatAP
mpen/Armor/APlvl/FlatAP
mpen/APlvl/MR/FlatAP

In a ranked game where I have a pretty good idea who I'm laning against this is amazing. I played Morgana yesterday top lane against a Pantheon and chose the armor page plus I started with cloth armor + pots and there was literally nothing he could do to me as I started with 55 armor + spell vamp + pots. I had his tower down by 15 minutes and easily escaped two jungle ganks (black shield + wards). Of course Morg is OP but adapting to your enemy is smart for any champion.

 

[HumblePie]

This... I've tweaked my runepages a bit to fully utilize having 10 pages and it's amazing having options for my casters of Armor/MR/pureAP.


I now have
mpen/APlvl/APlvl/FlatAP
mpen/Armor/APlvl/FlatAP
mpen/APlvl/MR/FlatAP

In a ranked game where I have a pretty good idea who I'm laning against this is amazing. I played Morgana yesterday top lane against a Pantheon and chose the armor page plus I started with cloth armor + pots and there was literally nothing he could do to me as I started with 55 armor + spell vamp + pots. I had his tower down by 15 minutes and easily escaped two jungle ganks (black shield + wards). Of course Morg is OP but adapting to your enemy is smart for any champion.

Yep this makes a huge diff. I was playing singed and had an irelia do this to me when I went top. She started with MR and a Null cloak with pots. Picked up chalice and Merc treads fast. I wasn't doing anything worth of damage to her early on since she had 90+ MR by level 4 or so. Anything I did she healed right back fast. So I swapped lanes with a Lee Sin. He proceeded to rape Irelia and I proceeded to rape bottom lane that had been building armor to that point. This is a strategy game after all.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Yep this makes a huge diff. I was playing singed and had an irelia do this to me when I went top. She started with MR and a Null cloak with pots. Picked up chalice and Merc treads fast. I wasn't doing anything worth of damage to her early on since she had 90+ MR by level 4 or so. Anything I did she healed right back fast. So I swapped lanes with a Lee Sin. He proceeded to rape Irelia and I proceeded to rape bottom lane that had been building armor to that point. This is a strategy game after all.

My question is usually bot lanes are lower in level than the solo lanes so how did Lee Sin (if from bot) beat a higher lvl Irelia that have been getting farm?

 

[HumblePie]

My question is usually bot lanes are lower in level than the solo lanes so how did Lee Sin (if from bot) beat a higher lvl Irelia that have been getting farm?

While I couldn't kill her, I could zone her somewhat. Flip her away when something was about to die. That stuff. I also had teleport and irelia didn't. So i could be a bit more aggressive, take some punishment and B to come right back and force her away. So she wasn't leveling as fast. That and Lee Sin's counter was a support char that was being focused a bit on bot and had to B a few times. Which means he was solo a bit down there as well.

 

[zebano]

I finally have 6300 IP and I was going to buy Talon, but naturally he got nerfed. I'm thinking I'm either going to grab Kenen who I do well with every time he's free or Swain.

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Shyvana, the Half-Dragon
Twin Bite
Shyvana strikes twice on her next attack. Both attacks trigger On-Hit effects and Fury of the Dragonborn effects.
Dragon Form: Twin Bite cleaves all units in front of Shyvana.
Burnout
Shyvana deals magic damage per second to nearby enemies and her Movement Speed is greatly increased for 3 seconds. Shyvana's Movement Speed bonus is reduced over time.
Dragon Form: Burnout scorches the earth, continuing to damage enemies that stand on it.
Flame Breath
Shyvana unleashes a fireball that deals magic damage and melts the target's Armor for 4 seconds.
Dragon Form: Flame Breath engulfs all units in a cone in front of Shyvana.
Dragon's Descent (Ultimate)
Active: Shyvana transforms into a dragon and takes flight to a target location. Enemies along her path take magic damage and are knocked toward her target location.
Passive: Shyvana reinforces her scales, increasing her Armor and Magic Resist. Defensive bonuses are doubled in Dragon Form.
Fury of the Dragonborn (Passive)
Shyvana's melee attacks enhance her abilities.
Twin Bite - Reduces the cooldown by 0.5 seconds.
Burnout - Extends the duration by 1 second to a maximum of 6 seconds.
Flame Breath - Deals 20% of the ability's damage to debuffed targets.
Dragon's Descent - Attacks generate 2 Fury and Shyvana passively gains Fury over time while in human form.

Amumu
Attack range increased to 125 from 100

Caitlyn
Piltover Peacemaker base damage reduced to 20/60/100/140/180 from 20/65/110/155/200
Yordle Snap Trap activation radius reduced to 135 from 150

Graves
True Grit
Buff duration reduced to 3 seconds from 4
Armor and magic resistance per stack reduced to 3 from 4 at max level
Buckshot damage per additional missile reduced to 30% from 35%

Olaf
Undertow missile speed increased to 1600 from 1500
Ragnarok
Now breaks crowd control effects upon activation
Duration adjusted to 6 seconds at all ranks from 5/6.5/8

Riven
Fixed a bug that caused Riven to stop moving after certain commands.
Fixed a bug that caused Ki Shout and Broken Wings to temporarily leave dead unpathable minions behind.
Fixed a bug that caused Riven's collision radius to be improperly calculated.

Shaco
Rewrote his Deceive, Hallucinate, and Champion tips for more clarity
Deceive will now still critically strike even if you break stealth (ie: to cast Jack in the Box)
Jack in the Box
Base damage reduced to 35/50/65/80/95 from 35/55/75/95/115
Ability power ratio reduced to 0.2 from 0.25
Activation range reduced to 300 from 350
Cast range increased to 425 from 400
Hallucinate
Fixed a bug where Shaco's clone wouldn't trigger Two-Shiv Poison's passive

Talon
Rake mana cost increased to 60/65/70/75/80 from 45/50/55/60/65
Shadow Assault cooldown increased to 75/65/55 seconds from 60/50/40

Wukong
Crushing Blow
Total attack damage ratio increased to 1.1 from 1.0
Fixed a bug where Crushing Blow did not display critical strikes or benefit from life steal
Decoy
Casting Decoy no longer instantly shows a reduction in Wukong's mana bar to enemies
Fixed a bug where Wukong's stealth state did not ignore unit collision
Improved general Decoy behavior and placement - the Decoy should now more accurately mimic Wukong's previous position and behavior
Wukong is now pushed forward slightly when using Decoy, rather than the Decoy being pushed back from Wukong's position
Nimbus Strike
Attack speed bonus increased to 30/35/40/45/50% from 20/25/30/35/40%
Attack speed duration increased to 4 seconds from 3

Dominion
Respawn time adjustments are now +2/-2 seconds regardless of the size in score difference
Crystal Scar's Aura armor penetration reduced to 12% from 15%
Personal Score reward for assisting in capturing or neutralizing a point increased to 25 from 10
Garrison has been changed to be an untargeted spell, similar to Promote. It will only become castable when in range of an eligible Capture Point.
Fixed the channel time display for capturing the central runes to match the actual capture time. The actual time to capture is unchanged.
Fixed a bug where capture points could be moved off of their platforms
Fixed a crash when audio was disabled

Items
Hextech Sweeper
Updated tooltip to be more clear that its Passive ability grants vision of stealthed units
Updated the targeting cursor, particle, and vision debuff

 

[HumblePie]

I finally have 6300 IP and I was going to buy Talon, but naturally he got nerfed. I'm thinking I'm either going to grab Kenen who I do well with every time he's free or Swain.

Edit: Formatting sucks

Looks to be mostly minor but good changes.

 

[sash1]

I finally have 6300 IP and I was going to buy Talon, but naturally he got nerfed. I'm thinking I'm either going to grab Kenen who I do well with every time he's free or Swain.

i'd still get talon if you want him. he's really fun and quite powerful. these nerfs aren't so hard. his ult had an insanely short cooldown so that you could use it all the time, the adjusted rates shouldn't affect him too much, just make him more 'balanced.' and the mana cost of his rake should only impact his laning.

 

[HumblePie]

i'd still get talon if you want him. he's really fun and quite powerful. these nerfs aren't so hard. his ult had an insanely short cooldown so that you could use it all the time, the adjusted rates shouldn't affect him too much, just make him more 'balanced.' and the mana cost of his rake should only impact his laning.

I still think his rake goes a bit too far out. He can stand in the very edge of the bottom lane bush and still rake an entire minion wave + hit the champs standing behind the wave at the tower. All without exposing himself to damage. Just a bit obnoxious in my opinion. His early laning phase was ridiculous because of that. Along with the fact that it could easily be made spammable as an ability from the low mana costs it previously had.

 

[Chiropteran]

Played one real game with her, shyvana rocks. 15/7/12 my first try. W move speed is huge, and her aoe burst when using ultimate is pretty nasty.

My build- warmogs, merc treads, wig lantern, force of nature, wit's end, malady. Probably sub-optimal in some way but high attack speed is a must and i was playing the groups tank, so wit's end made sense. Malady was something of afterthought and maybe something else would have been stronger in that spot.

 

[Magusigne]

Played one real game with her, shyvana rocks. 15/7/12 my first try. W move speed is huge, and her aoe burst when using ultimate is pretty nasty.

My build- warmogs, merc treads, wig lantern, force of nature, wit's end, malady. Probably sub-optimal in some way but high attack speed is a must and i was playing the groups tank, so wit's end made sense. Malady was something of afterthought and maybe something else would have been stronger in that spot.

Yeah she seemed interesting.

Wukong seem to have some pretty signficant buffs. Saw 2 last night that did really well. His Juke is sweet. I may pick him up.

I'm looking for a high skillcap character. I was thinking Orianna? Thoughts?

I want a character you never see/very often to get really good with. Cassio is my main, followed by Talon/Nidalee.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Played one real game with her, shyvana rocks. 15/7/12 my first try. W move speed is huge, and her aoe burst when using ultimate is pretty nasty.

My build- warmogs, merc treads, wig lantern, force of nature, wit's end, malady. Probably sub-optimal in some way but high attack speed is a must and i was playing the groups tank, so wit's end made sense. Malady was something of afterthought and maybe something else would have been stronger in that spot.

She is great and yea, your build is similar to mine. Merc treads, warmogs, lantern, and triforce, Then maybe a bloodthirster but I go for footspeed/dmg items first. I played a few games with her last night and really like how fast her base speed is. I wouldn't say she's overly strong damage wise, but she can hold her own without too much tanking. Then again it could just be no one knows how to play against her yet.

 

[zebano]

Another tournament opportunity. I'm going to watch to see if these guys organizational abilities is enough to get this off the ground, but I like their tiered / relegation system (ala European sports leagues) so you should theoretically find some equally skilled teams. If anyone's interested in forming a team, PM me.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/LeagueofTournaments/index.php?showtopic=1

 

[Fenixgoon]

ok, right now my new favorite thing is laning olaf.

max E asap. bursty as SHIT. it's hilarious dropping people to 50% of their hp at level 4.

on the other hand, i got wrecked as chogath last night by teemo. that little fucker and his poison darts.

 

[sash1]

ok, right now my new favorite thing is laning olaf.

max E asap. bursty as SHIT. it's hilarious dropping people to 50% of their hp at level 4.

on the other hand, i got wrecked as chogath last night by teemo. that little fucker and his poison darts.

haha. i had heard about this recently, that olaf was a strong solo laner, so i decided to try him out a few times, and he really is quite good in lane. his true damage allows him to exchange harass very effectively. and a lantern with his life steal from w gives him good sustain as well.

 

[Magusigne]

Just bought Wukong. I love him. He's pretty decent in team fights. He wrecks other tanks with his Armor Rending ability. Kinda Tanky.

He is tricky as hell, I love making people blow skillshots and Ignite/Exhaust on his Cloak ability.

Also. PS. Picked up Hexatech Anivia...worth it.

 

[HumblePie]

haha. i had heard about this recently, that olaf was a strong solo laner, so i decided to try him out a few times, and he really is quite good in lane. his true damage allows him to exchange harass very effectively. and a lantern with his life steal from w gives him good sustain as well.

This works only if the other person isn't stacking health against him early and if you are as Olaf. This is because that E does the some damage to you as well as them. The lifesteal doesn't work with his E either. Of course the health Olaf loses is much less for his E versus the damage it puts out, but it isn't nearly as effective if the person against him is stacking health as well to counter it.

Still not everyone stacks health right away so usually it works pretty damn well.

 

[zebano]

So what are your must-buy skins? I personally love Spectral Fiddlesticks and I'm waiting on an epic Cass or Trundle skin.

 

[RPD]

Corporate Mundo! Also finally blew my IP, bought Brand and Nideela(sp).