League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[festa_freak]

You and me both but are Wukong, Vayne and Singed really played that often? I practically never see them in my games. I love Trundle, Tristana, Janna, Hecarim, Swain and Xerath. My two concessions to popularity are my jungle Cho'Gath and playing Nunu on Twisted Treeline... but that's TT which is itself unpopular. If Karma ever gets a buff I will be playing her non-stop (she's tons of fun in ARAM).

I bought Karma months ago because when she was free I enjoyed her. She is a hard support to play early but once you get CD items it is much better. I have good games and bad with her. It's all in what you are supporting, idiots or smart players.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You and me both but are Wukong, Vayne and Singed really played that often? I practically never see them in my games. I love Trundle, Tristana, Janna, Hecarim, Swain and Xerath. My two concessions to popularity are my jungle Cho'Gath and playing Nunu on Twisted Treeline... but that's TT which is itself unpopular. If Karma ever gets a buff I will be playing her non-stop (she's tons of fun in ARAM).

I imagine it varies by ELO. In my ELO range (and in Normals) I see them almost every game. I tend to use Anivia, Rammus, Lulu, Cait or Jarven. Those characters are rarely used in the games I play. (Of those Cait is probably seen the most). However in the higher end streams I see Anivia all the time.

I've seen Trundle in 1 game out of 50 if that says anything. Swain in maybe 10. I have mixed feelings about Karma...I've never played her, but I rarely see good ones. Occasionally you'll see one rape, but I sometimes wonder if thts just because people underestimate her and don't know how to play against her since she's hardly played.

 

[zebano]

I bought Karma months ago because when she was free I enjoyed her. She is a hard support to play early but once you get CD items it is much better. I have good games and bad with her. It's all in what you are supporting, idiots or smart players.

she still has massive problems in that her shield is as good as Janna's but she lacks the CC/kiting ability (w is a joke), her heal is pathetic without AP, she can't poke without stealing cs/pushing the lane. It is possible to do well with her but I've only ever done it in a solo lane where I build AP and CDR.

 

[krnmastersgt]

I would never use Karma as a designated support, she needs items to be truly effective unlike many true supports like Janna, Soraka, Taric as the base numbers for her abilities just aren't strong enough. That being said she's not a real AP carry either, she can win mid against many match-ups but she doesn't have serious hard hitting nukes or long range poke, she's essentially an AP bruiser. She works extremely well with some champs like Singed or Udyr however as they're not afraid to dive into the enemy team and with Karma's speed buff + a shield dropped on them, everyone is instantly nuked and the bruiser that just ran has a ton of extra hp to work with.

 

[thejunglegod]

Just a question. Is Syndra the most underpowered hero in LOL? If no, then who is? Cos i played her last night and in before i could Q, put a ball, pick it up and throw, a team fight had already ended. This was obviously also highlighted by my noobness to the character. Still. The only good thing about her was her ultimate though the E was good for escapes.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Syndra has 1 really nice combo imo, she can unload on a single target with her ult during a fight and then immediately follow up with an E blast. The ult drops like 5 orbs on the ground so when you use the E shock-wave it basically turns into a massive cone stun. Buut her Q takes too long to pop, and her W has too high of a cool down combo'd with very little damage output for me to really like her.

There is no such thing as an underpowered hero imo, it's just that some champs match the meta better or are stronger at certain things and can be called overpowered in comparison.

 

[thejunglegod]

The ult drops like 5 orbs on the ground so when you use the E shock-wave it basically turns into a massive cone stun.

Woah, see i did not realize that. I would just look at those balls and wonder how the fck they got there? I assumed that she drops em at random. That combo would be good, but i hardly think it'd be good enough to take down a champ 1v1. Its basically a hit and run right??

 

[ImpulsE69]

Woah, see i did not realize that. I would just look at those balls and wonder how the fck they got there? I assumed that she drops em at random. That combo would be good, but i hardly think it'd be good enough to take down a champ 1v1. Its basically a hit and run right??

I always watch the champion spotlights before I buy a char. It helps you know things like that

 

[crownjules]

Syndra's ult uses the 3 orbs around her plus any that she's conjured with Q. So the ult is weakest when you open with it. Ideally, you want to use a Q or two before hitting the ult. With max CDR it's possible to have a max of 7 orbs hit (using W once to extend the life of one orb).

Syndra's pretty powerful now with the buffs she just got. Q is spammable and (I think) no harder to hit with than any of the other slightly delayed spells (Karthus and Cass). The thing is she requires quite a bit more finesse with her other spells. E is a bitch to stun with if you've only got a single orb and W just seems weird when you're tossing an orb/minion. Hardly feels like it has the 925 range it apparently does. It feels like it always falls short of where I've targeted.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Syndra's ult uses the 3 orbs around her plus any that she's conjured with Q. So the ult is weakest when you open with it. Ideally, you want to use a Q or two before hitting the ult. With max CDR it's possible to have a max of 7 orbs hit (using W once to extend the life of one orb).

Syndra's pretty powerful now with the buffs she just got. Q is spammable and (I think) no harder to hit with than any of the other slightly delayed spells (Karthus and Cass). The thing is she requires quite a bit more finesse with her other spells. E is a bitch to stun with if you've only got a single orb and W just seems weird when you're tossing an orb/minion. Hardly feels like it has the 925 range it apparently does. It feels like it always falls short of where I've targeted.

I wonder if they are counting it from where it sits (it gets tossed behind her). In that case, it really only goes half that distance (in reference to the character). I find that particular move very awkward to be honest. I suppose it just takes some getting used to. I guess I'll give her another try now with the buffs.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Woah, see i did not realize that. I would just look at those balls and wonder how the fck they got there? I assumed that she drops em at random. That combo would be good, but i hardly think it'd be good enough to take down a champ 1v1. Its basically a hit and run right??

The stun itself does no damage (from orb impact), I was looking at it from a team-fight perspective. You can damage 1 person heavily and then just stun everyone around them almost immediately after.

The reason why I think Syndra is very lack-luster is her ranges, true her Q might be similar to other delayed point-blasts but it does nowhere near the damage that Cass/Karth can do and the range feels shorter to me (at least compared to when I played Karth). Her W range is decent however since it goes through the whole animation of chucking the orb/minion from behind you to your target location it takes a while to hit anything. Her E is the real problem, the range is so pathetically short that it can't be used for any real CC in trying to kill someone and is only useful when some melee bruiser is trying to get on top of you. Her ult has some pretty pathetic damage output compared to many other single target nuke ults as well.

She may have some insanely good tactics/traits but I just don't see them on the surface and she doesn't look like a champion that would be especially good to master, though Orianna did seem the same way when she launched so maybe I'll be proved wrong and she has some hidden talent.

 

[ivan2]

Imo the biggest problem is the range of the E. It makes the stun very situational and unreliable as people dash around the orb.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So I'm testing out the new Kah'Zix character and something occurred to me.

In the champion spotlight they say his passive is the unseen terror thing and that for it to become active he has to be invisible. I took this to mean if he's hiding in bushes for a period of time.

When I played him I saw this power was constantly up. Reading the passive text says "gained when not visible to the enemy team" which I take it means anywhere on the map.

I see one problem/potential issue with this but I haven't been able to test out my theory. This would mean his passive can detect wards couldn't it? Because if he's in the sight range of a ward, his passive would disappear? Mind you I mean he would know there's a ward nearby and if they can see him or not, not meaning he could destroy wards w/o oracle/vision ward.



Just a thought....

 

[crownjules]

My understanding of the buff mechanic is he gains it when he goes off the map from an enemy and he keeps it until his next attack. In other words, he doesn't lose it just because he's seen by an enemy tower/minion/ward/champ. Otherwise yes, he'd inadvertently become a ward detector.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yep, think you're right.

 

[krnmastersgt]

Yep, think you're right.

He is correct, but your point still holds technically true in that if you "hide" in brush that they have a ward in, your passive won't activate. Not quite as useful but still a valid point I think, wonder how they'll address that.

 

[crownjules]

Sucky stretch of ranked games last night.

#1 - Guy decides to "try" AD TF. I call jungle and pick Naut in third spot and then our last pick has Kayle selected with Smite and isn't responding to anything. I switched over to support stuff to try and salvage something. Once the game loads, Kayle apologizes and he wasn't trying to jungle and doesn't have the correct runes/masteries - just forgot to choose something other than Smite. Should have dodged I guess.

#2 - Fenix and I duo. Early game goes great but our team makes some mistakes in the mid game. Our Ori begins throwing a tantrum and everything is everyone else's fault and she decides to sit at fountain. We barely lose a teamfight 4v5 and of course she returns after that but it's too late.

#3 - Last game of the night our mid player chooses Nunu. We're not thrilled, but there's much worse. Our last pick types "LOL TROLL GAME" and locks in Twitch when there's no room for him. Nunu switches over to jungle but Twitch feeds doing stupid shit all game.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I finally got Rengar's Combo down after sucking with him.

That two empowered q's and a normal q does some ridiculous damage when combined with sheen.

 

[Fenixgoon]

threw so hard last night. ugh. our team could not teamfight worth a damn. lost a teamfight at baron and it was downhill from there.

 

[crownjules]

Twisted Fate is getting a model, texture, spell effect, and voice over remake in the next patch. Additionally, he now is Gangnam Style.

 

[zebano]

For those not paying attention Worlds starts at noon CDT today with Azubu Frost vs invictus Gaming. Personally I'm expecting M5 or Frost to win but I'm still a Dignitas fanboy just because Scarra has had the best stream for ages now.

 

[crownjules]

I was looking at the schedule and it's a match per hour. So I'm assuming it's single elimination matches today.

 

[ImpulsE69]

So, I saw a thread going on in the LoL forums about how your normal games basically should tell you how you will do in ranked and that they will be fairly similar. I would have to disagree considering I'm diamond in normals and barely bronze in Ranked...then again...i will get 10-15 win streaks, then 10-15 troll games....just can't get passed the hump.

Thoughts? I know that on the surface they are quite different, and you are many times forced into roles you are not as good at (or someone on your team is) because the meta is at this time the "one true way" and anything else is considered trolling.

 

[zebano]

So, I saw a thread going on in the LoL forums about how your normal games basically should tell you how you will do in ranked and that they will be fairly similar. I would have to disagree considering I'm diamond in normals and barely bronze in Ranked...then again...i will get 10-15 win streaks, then 10-15 troll games....just can't get passed the hump.

Thoughts? I know that on the surface they are quite different, and you are many times forced into roles you are not as good at (or someone on your team is) because the meta is at this time the "one true way" and anything else is considered trolling.

What are you using to see your normal rating? Also if you're that much better you'll get out of bronze with a few more games. Please note that normal elo has never been reset and so what is diamond in ranked probably isn't the right cutoff for nomals.

 

[EDUSAN]

lately im playing against people with 150-500 wins.... when im 1200 wins and i team with 1200-1600 wins friends... no idea what is happening