LED grow light 1000nm hmm?

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mindless1

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It doesn't seem like the right range for full spectrum, needs to go lower than 580nm and 1000nm seems sort of high since much past 700nm is useless AFAIK, but since IR LEDs exist, it seems possible to achieve by merely adding some, though I glanced at Digikey and they have none spec'd past 950nm... but that's close if rounding up.

Whether a generic product on amazon has TRUE specs, that is a different matter. I would assume the specs are wrong, that there was no reason to waste useful light potential on going that far into IR range.
 
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At the longer-wavelength end, I would not worry much. Little of that has a major impact on plants, anyway. Bu the truth is that all light sources, including LED's, generate some "waste heat". That is, some of the energy output is in the nearby infra-red zone we cannot see. Old incandescent bulbs do this hugely, which is why they run hot and are much less efficient in generating visible light, but even a LED will generate some IR.
 

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From my understanding red and blue is the most important spectrum. The lights generate a purpleish hue

I would not trust lights from Amazon, lot of shoddy stuff direct from China with exposed mains etc. What's in the picture is not always what you actually receive either. I did the same mistake and the lights I ended up getting were super dangerously made.

Home Depot sells grow lights now, worth looking into. Ex:

 

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In an incandescent bulb there is a filament of a single metal (or maybe an alloy of 2 or 3). If you run an electric current through it that raises the energy of electrons in the metal to one of many possible energy states. Then quickly they release that energy and "fall" to a lower-energy state. The amount of energy released by each electron depends on what state it was raised to, and that in turn determines the wavelength (and thus energy) of the light re-emitted. Most of those are lower-level states so we measure in macro terms a higher temperature, and in light terms most of that emitted radiation is in the infrared region. In a normal light bulb it is operated hot enough that a bunch of the light is even higher in energy so it covers the visible light region, but that part is still only a fraction of the total energy output - most is still infrared. You CAN get more visible light, and even up into the higher-energy invisible ultraviolet region by raising the filament temperature with more current. However, a hot metal filament also "boils off" some of its metal atoms to the point that it gets so thin at some spot that it just breaks. Burned-out bulb! Happens faster if you operate hotter for more blue / violet / utraviolet.

An LED works very differently. Electrical curent is passed through a solid state semiconductor material "dosed" with modest amounts of contaminating metal atoms. Again, it is these atoms' electrons that are raised to higher energy levels by the current flow; again, they emit light as the fall back to their low-energy normal state, and again the wavelength of that re-emitted light (and its energy) depends on the evergy levels of the excited and low-energy states. But what is very different is that the type of metal chosen to dose the semiconductor material can be chosen very carefully so that very little light is emitted in the infrared region and most is in the visible light region. It also is relatively easy at the design stage to select doping metals to ensure the light includes significant amounts in the higher-energy invisible ultraviolet region. Further, since these devices do not operate at very high tempertures, they do not wear themselves out rapidly.

So an LED device has three advantages. Its light output can be custom-tailored (within limits) to concentrate in the visible region and not waste energy outputting infrared light. It can be made to output ultraviolet much more easily than an incandecent metal filament. And it does not overheat when doing that, so it lasts much longer.

These differences do make it easiler to mislead buyers, though. Almost none of us has the equipment to measure light output versus energy or wavelength. We are used to incandecent lamps and how the appear. We have learned that creamy-white lamps do not produce much blue light and likely no untraviolet, whereas a whiter lamp has more blue and maybe a bit of ultraviolet. We also have learned that if you want a lot of ultraviolet you can get that with special lamp types the cost more and do not last long. But with LED lamps it is possible to make a very white bright appearance without actually having a lot of ultraviolet output, too. So that leaves us depending on the maker to tell us what the lamp does in total, and we have no way to check that personally.
 
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Light bulbs can easily replace the sun. I built a custom grow chamber several years ago but at the time, LED was too expensive so used the spiral CFL bulbs. Why spiral instead of straight tubes? I happened upon a salvage signage lighting array that had metal strips of sockets so it was easier and cost effective to build.

The thing is, this was only to start seedlings that were later moved outdoors and when doing that, you need to take them outdoors for a little while, then a little longer, and so on, to acclimate them to real sunlight or else it will burn the leaves. Different concentration of UV rays...
 

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Yes, fluorescent lamps (tubes or twisty CFL's) work differently again, resulting in more UV light output than any normal incandescent, although not as much as a dedicated "UV lamp" or real sunlight. Many people use them for indoor growing because of this. Some even pay extra for special fluorescent "grow lights" that are designed to increase the UV output to more than normal fluorescents. The new LED "grow lamps" are targeted at those users and probably produce even more UV of wavelengths that plants can use. But I have no way to measure or know that last statement for sure.
 
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