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Kanalua

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Good luck paying for college and post-grad education without any federally funded financial aid. and rightfully so...why am I paying my hard earned money in taxes for druggies and DUI losers like your friend to get a college education?

Loser...
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Kanalua
Good luck paying for college and post-grad education without any federally funded financial aid. and rightfully so...why am I paying my hard earned money in taxes for druggies and DUI losers like your friend to get a college education?

Loser...

He already said the kid's parents are too wealthy for financial aid, and they probably pay more taxes than you do.
 

Kanalua

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Kanalua
Good luck paying for college and post-grad education without any federally funded financial aid. and rightfully so...why am I paying my hard earned money in taxes for druggies and DUI losers like your friend to get a college education?

Loser...

He already said the kid's parents are too wealthy for financial aid, and they probably pay more taxes than you do.

Then he's just another child of privilege...if his parents had any smarts they would discipline him with the purse strings...maybe even make him get a job (OH NO!) to help at least pay for part of his expenses...

I know I may seem harsh...it's just I have NO sympathy for anyone, ANYONE driving while drunk and a drug user...
 

RKS

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Originally posted by: hungfarover
Why did he let the cop search the car?
If he hasn?t been in trouble before, he?ll probably get fines and either community service or a deferred sentence. I doubt he?ll get jail time for this, but it kind of depends on where you are.

Attorney will be around $5k, again depending on where you live.

He was arrested for the DUI/DWI, the cops no longer need permission.

 
Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Yup, local lawyer who tries cases like these is absolutely necessary. He needs to get these charges reduced or dropped.

Working as a defense contractor, you can cross govt work off the list if there is a history of drug use. Hard to get security clearance with it.

 
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Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: purbeast0
i just wanted to say that your friend is an idiot.

also what is the reason he got pulled over?

i'm not sure about the rammifications of his criminal record w/his school stuff. i was charged w/a felony and paid a lawyer $1000 for his services, but i never even saw a court room and only ended up w/16 hours of community service and the charge was put on stet.

Luckily he is from a wealthy family and won't need any financial aid, and paying whatever it takes for a lawyer likely isn't an issue. He got pulled over for the dumbest of all reasons...his back license plate light was out.

A LOT of people get caught for major crimes for speeding, burned out bulbs, not coming to a full stop, etc... so it was not dumb for the cop, only your dumb friend.

I never said it was dumb for the cop. I just said it was a dumb reason to get pulled over considering the circumstances.

Embrace English. What you meant to say was it was an unfortunate set of circumstances that led to the police officer pulling him over.
 

zanejohnson

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jesus a DUI at 18 and i thought my legal problems were bad.... a dui is serious business..
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: vi edit
He needs a lawyer local to where he got the tickets. It's as simple as that. A local DUI lawyer that plays golf with the judge on the weekend is the best thing he can get right. The lawyer will take a couple grand, but he probably won't have to step foot in a court and his sentence & fines will likely be halved.

As for college, hard to say. He's already been accepted, it's not like they are actively pulling criminal records now that he's in.

a couple grand will get you a lawyer that will do the same thing you could...just plea no contest. Lawyers make a fortune doing this. They are really not helping anyone. If you failed the breath/blood test it's going to be a hard case. If you didn't submit then you sometimes have a better chance if the arrest was suspicious or botched. A lot that claim they have gotten people off not guilty are referring to non-moving DUI arrests which are extremely common...people that are just in some gray area around their vehicle can be arrested under DUI laws for having intent to drive regardless of whether they were not planning on it.

An attorney that now lives down here in FL, was arrested in NY and had his new and paid off corvette impounded while he detailed it having a beer in his own garage. Keys were in his pocket.

A true DUI defense is usually closer to $10k esp due to the fact the way the courts make it impossible to do it all in one day. When you are fighting it you do not get a work permit...you cannot drive at all. It can drag on a year in some areas or more.

It's pointless for a 1st time DUI. They are so common and pointless only a few insurance companies will penalize for them.

A DUI will cost roughly $3000-6000 (hard costs, not counting missed work, etc)...you can usually pay your community service at about $10/hr.

The drug charge is a whole different matter as well as being underage for alcohol.
 

minendo

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A true DUI defense is usually closer to $10k esp due to the fact the way the courts make it impossible to do it all in one day. When you are fighting it you do not get a work permit...you cannot drive at all. It can drag on a year in some areas or more.
This is dependent on the state, county, or municipality you face charges of DUI in.

If you didn't submit then you sometimes have a better chance if the arrest was suspicious or botched.
See above. In Kansas, failure to submit equals immediate suspension.
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: sjwaste
Yup, local lawyer who tries cases like these is absolutely necessary. He needs to get these charges reduced or dropped.

Working as a defense contractor, you can cross govt work off the list if there is a history of drug use. Hard to get security clearance with it.

it surprises me at how many people don't understand just how badly you can fuck up life before you really even get started.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SLCentral
I'm not sure what his BAC was (I'm overseas right now), but knowing him, I'm assuming it was significantly higher then .08.

Kick him in the nuts when you get back. Teenagers are bad enough drivers without being drunk. Hopefully his life isn't entirely screwed up by this, but hopefully he learned his lesson here.

Shits like the OP's friend are the reason good people like my grandfather are dead.

NEVER drink/do drugs and drive. I don't care if you get shitfaced and pass out on a couch. Just don't fucking drive.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: minendo
A true DUI defense is usually closer to $10k esp due to the fact the way the courts make it impossible to do it all in one day. When you are fighting it you do not get a work permit...you cannot drive at all. It can drag on a year in some areas or more.
This is dependent on the state, county, or municipality you face charges of DUI in.

If you didn't submit then you sometimes have a better chance if the arrest was suspicious or botched.
See above. In Kansas, failure to submit equals immediate suspension.

almost everywhere it does...but proving you were not drunk when nothing proved you to be gives one a better chance of defense the way the system works.

 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Your friend needs a lawyer and needs to stop being an idiot.

In a mostly unrelated note, thank god that dumbass isn't coming to my school.
Maybe not, but you are getting a bunch of heretofore unheralded idiots of unknown potential. :thumbsup::laugh:
The day is still young, let's see what develops.

 

IceBergSLiM

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the school won't know anything about it. and your friend is a dumb idiot. Driving drunk with drugs in the car is just...i don't even know what to say about that its so dumb.
 

mugs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SLCentral
I just read that they searched his phone. Is that legal in any way?

If they can search his car, I'd think they can search his phone.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Glitchny
get a decent lawyer and it wont affect him. and the weed thing will not affect his college or his loans because they only ask for FELONY convictions. I know this because I received financial aid for 4 years at college after a similar yet more severe ticket. MJ possession really isnt a big deal in many states now so it depends on where you are. Biggest issue is the DUI.

tell them about the strip search

and your friend will most likely be fine with a laywer, the DUI can get droped to just underage drinking, you can prob swing the 2 year loss of licence to 6 months Limited, which mean just to/from school/work if he works, prob do some community service and be on probation for 6 months after which itll be stricken from the record. my friend did exactly this, also had random drug tests, they woudl call him on a random friday and tell him a time on the next day to show up and take it,

and 2 grams is nothing, i got cought by campus popo with 28 grams, they didnt really care
An OZ eh? Where do you live? Fuckin cops around here would jail ya for a spec of leaf. OH NOES TEH EVIL DRUGS. Pfft.

that was in PA, and it was the campus Popo, not the Town Cops

in PA anything less then an OZ is a missdom not a felony anyway
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: SLCentral
I just read that they searched his phone. Is that legal in any way?

If he consented to search then yes. However since he was found to be DUI they had probably cause to search him and his persons during the arrest.
 

her209

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I can honestly say your friend is screwed. He'll have to attend DUI classes every week for x months plus community service which may conflict with his college class schedule.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: SLCentral
I just read that they searched his phone. Is that legal in any way?

If he consented to search then yes. However since he was found to be DUI they had probably cause to search him and his persons during the arrest.

Court case involving cell phone search
The court finds that under the circumstances of this case, the government has met its burden to show that the troopers' search of the cell phones by accessing stored numbers was justified as a search incident to arrest.
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: OdiN
Hopefully they don't reduce or remove any of the charges. DUI and drugs? Throw him in jail for a bit, suspend his license, and fine the shit out of him.

:roll: You don't get thrown in jail for a little weed. Nor should you. It's a misdemeanor, he probably didn't even go to jail overnight.

:roll: You should get thrown in jail for a DUI.
 

Elganja

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: sjwaste
Yup, local lawyer who tries cases like these is absolutely necessary. He needs to get these charges reduced or dropped.

Working as a defense contractor, you can cross govt work off the list if there is a history of drug use. Hard to get security clearance with it.

wrong.... I am also a gov't contractor and have smoked a bunch of weed in my past time (in college). They don't care as long as you don't lie about it and you aren't doing it now.
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: sjwaste
Yup, local lawyer who tries cases like these is absolutely necessary. He needs to get these charges reduced or dropped.

Working as a defense contractor, you can cross govt work off the list if there is a history of drug use. Hard to get security clearance with it.

wrong.... I am also a gov't contractor and have smoked a bunch of weed in my past time (in college). They don't care as long as you don't lie about it and you aren't doing it now.

Do they care that you nef online with a name like "elganja"?
 
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