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irishScott

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Oct 10, 2006
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no, forcing every user to do so is what is wrong, which is why many boycott blueray discs entirely

"Many"? You mean you and a few dozen other people on the internet?

Did you and these "many" children people also boycott VHS and Betamax? Because there were just as many adds in front of those and no convenient skip-to-main-menu or "skip to next chapter" button.

Goes to show that people will always find something to whine about, even an improvement.

Every blu-ray or DVD I've ever encountered (and I own north of 200 DVDs and 50 blu-rays) has started several times faster than VHS. THINGS ARE BETTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN. Get over yourself and find a better cause to bitch about.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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"Many"? You mean you and a few dozen other people on the internet?

Did you and these "many" children people also boycott VHS and Betamax? Because there were just as many adds in front of those and no convenient skip-to-main-menu or "skip to next chapter" button.

That was a limitation of technology. That would be a same as boycotting horses in 1860 because they couldn't go 120mph. the limitations on DVDs, and especially Bluray are artificial, and not a limitation of technology.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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That was a limitation of technology. That would be a same as boycotting horses in 1860 because they couldn't go 120mph. the limitations on DVDs, and especially Bluray are artificial, and not a limitation of technology.

How? They could have released videos with no adds at all that started nearly instantly. At least that's what this entire thread has been telling me they should have done. Free lunches and unicorns for all!

Funny how advertising revenue doesn't really function when the adds are optional. Companies aren't going to give you the option to just turn them off completely, because then they might as well not put any adds up at all; and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Welcome to Capitalism.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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How? They could have released videos with no adds at all that started nearly instantly. At least that's what this entire thread has been telling me they should have done. Free lunches and unicorns for all!

The user could also strip them out if they chose to go through the effort. Either mechanically(scissors), or by copying.

Funny how advertising revenue doesn't really function when the adds are optional. Companies aren't going to give you the option to just turn them off completely, because then they might as well not put any adds up at all; and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Welcome to Capitalism.

First, why should there be ads in a product I purchased? and second, why shouldn't I be able to remove them? More importantly, why shouldn't I be able to put the movie on any device I choose, and use the software of my choosing to watch them? When I buy any other good(aside from computers in many cases), I'm free to use it and modify it as I see fit. The only limits are technological, and the time I want to put in it.

It may be capitalism, but it isn't a free market. The free market determined people don't want ads, and other garbage with their movies, but the conspiracy of producers aren't meeting the demand. The demand is being met elsewhere.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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The user could also strip them out if they chose to go through the effort. Either mechanically(scissors), or by copying.



First, why should there be ads in a product I purchased? and second, why shouldn't I be able to remove them? More importantly, why shouldn't I be able to put the movie on any device I choose, and use the software of my choosing to watch them? When I buy any other good(aside from computers in many cases), I'm free to use it and modify it as I see fit. The only limits are technological, and the time I want to put in it.

It may be capitalism, but it isn't a free market. The free market determined people don't want ads, and other garbage with their movies, but the conspiracy of producers aren't meeting the demand. The demand is being met elsewhere.

And with modern software a user can strip out ads on DVDs and Blu-rays, re-burn them, and have an ad-less version if they so choose.

It is a free market. People want their movies, and the vast majority are prepared to endure a certain nature and duration of ads. If that wasn't the case no one would buy DVDs or Blu-rays. We could, theoretically, have ads that lasted for hours before the movie started, and would make the movie industry a lot of money. But no one would buy those movies. So the market has settled on a compromise where in most cases it's actually quite easy to skip the ads.

Is it morally and philosophically pure? Of course not, but very little is in business. It's about making money. A film studio that didn't force those ads would likely not make enough money to compete on the same level.
 

Lithium381

Lifer
May 12, 2001
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And with modern software a user can strip out ads on DVDs and Blu-rays, re-burn them, and have an ad-less version if they so choose.

It is a free market. People want their movies, and the vast majority are prepared to endure a certain nature and duration of ads. If that wasn't the case no one would buy DVDs or Blu-rays. We could, theoretically, have ads that lasted for hours before the movie started, and would make the movie industry a lot of money. But no one would buy those movies. So the market has settled on a compromise where in most cases it's actually quite easy to skip the ads.

Is it morally and philosophically pure? Of course not, but very little is in business. It's about making money. A film studio that didn't force those ads would likely not make enough money to compete on the same level.

I actually enjoy seeing previews for movies i've not yet seen or heard of. . two or three 2 minute clips is great, gives me a little time to settle in to the movie as well. In the theatres as well. Car commercials and such. . .no thanks!
 

colonelciller

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I actually enjoy seeing previews for movies i've not yet seen or heard of. . two or three 2 minute clips is great, gives me a little time to settle in to the movie as well. In the theatres as well. Car commercials and such. . .no thanks!

i avoid previews completely ever since the men in black preview that showed the spaceship crashing at their feet... completely ruined the best effect in the movie... the scene was boring in the theater because i'd already seen it 50 times on tv.

previews destroy suspense and reveal plot points that ruin the storytelling... and in sci fi the impact of the effects is diminished. if i know i want to see a film i simply avoid previews entirely... fingers in ears, eyes shut and humming if necessary... and it is worth it my friends. previews are bad for the experience
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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"Many"? You mean you and a few dozen other people on the internet?

Did you and these "many" children people also boycott VHS and Betamax? Because there were just as many adds in front of those and no convenient skip-to-main-menu or "skip to next chapter" button.

Goes to show that people will always find something to whine about, even an improvement.

Every blu-ray or DVD I've ever encountered (and I own north of 200 DVDs and 50 blu-rays) has started several times faster than VHS. THINGS ARE BETTER THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN. Get over yourself and find a better cause to bitch about.

No, there were not "just as many" ads on VHS. About the only company that loaded each video with as much crap as every dvd or blue ray today was Disney. Even then, you could hit the fast forward button once and ride it all the way to the start of the movie fuss free. Nowadays? Can't do that. My every attempt to fast forward through fbi mumjo jumbo utter fails. Even when I'm able to fast forward through a movie trailer, I have to wait then do it again when the next one starts x5 logos and previews. It isn't nearly the same. Any gains for having a digital interface with a main menu is worthless when your media player tells you you can't access it until you sit through all their crap.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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Last time I went to the movies I was surprised to see that some of the ads are not even of movies, but random ads you'd see on TV, like Swiffer commercials. Is this really the norm now? Is that how legal DVD/Blurays are now too?
 

SlickSnake

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May 29, 2007
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To the OP and others: Be wary of Blu-ray when renting or buying used discs from anywhere. There are known issues with discs being flexed while mailing or kids trying to cram discs into slot loaded players. If the disc is flexed, the media becomes damaged even though the disc from a scratch perspective may look perfect.

You may enjoy the disc just fine until you reach a point where the media has been flexed then it will lock up, usually near the middle of the disc, and then the only option is to skip ahead to the next chapter and attempt to scan backwards until the disc locks up again. Renting an older series on Blu-ray like Dexter or True Blood that has been rented and shipped hundreds of times is an exercise in frustration and aggravation.

On severely flexed Blu-rays, you can hold them up to a bright light source and see the wavy flex marks in the media itself. This seems to be less of a problem with older DVDs, and I think because the media is more dense and closer to the surface of Blu-rays this has become more of an issue with them. I'm sure the 4ks will be even worse regarding flexing issues.

And the only time I ever have any problems playing a Blu-ray is if it is a rental, sent by mail in a flimsy paper mailer. If I rent the same title from my BB store or buy it after having some problem, then they ALWAYS work.

And the HD Blu-ray mastering is in all cases vastly superior to DVD mastering if done right. I would imagine all they are doing on the new 4ks, is increasing the sample rates on the original Blu-ray masters to get the extra definition, and not much else. Now, with 3D, they may actually finally have a valid reason to use 4k more often, besides just for projector use or on MUCH larger displays. Which is why I couldn't care less about 3D in 1080P on a 60" screen.
 
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Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Not gonna justify pirating, but that does summarize why I rip all of the kids movies to the computer. Turn on TV, turn on Apple TV browse..see pretty pictures of the movie you want...hit play. Movie plays. Yay!

This. My kids don't know any different. Browse to file through PS3 interface and hit play. No BS and no waiting. They have no idea how much computing power went into recoding our kid movies. I still get out the discs to playback Blurays though. The quality difference is very noticeable and it's not economical to store ISOs of every movie we own.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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I actually enjoy seeing previews for movies i've not yet seen or heard of. . two or three 2 minute clips is great, gives me a little time to settle in to the movie as well. In the theatres as well. Car commercials and such. . .no thanks!

Me too...so it pisses me off even more that they get carried away with user-prohibited operations and I CAN'T PAUSE, REWIND, OR SKIP BACK during the trailers on many Blu-Ray movies.
 

Midwayman

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Jan 28, 2000
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Copy protection aside, I've found bluray to be a lot more picky than DVD every was. I've had lots more movies simply refuse to load, more surface condition issues, etc. I always sort of hold my breath when I rent a bluray. Never really question if DVD media will work.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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To the OP and others: Be wary of Blu-ray when renting or buying used discs from anywhere. There are known issues with discs being flexed while mailing or kids trying to cram discs into slot loaded players. If the disc is flexed, the media becomes damaged even though the disc from a scratch perspective may look perfect. You may enjoy the disc just fine until you reach a point where the media has been flexed then it will lock up, usually near the middle of the disc, and then the only option is to skip ahead to the next chapter and attempt to scan backwards until the disc locks up again. Renting an older series on Blu-ray like Dexter or True Blood that has been rented and shipped hundreds of times is an exercise in frustration and aggravation. On severely flexed Blu-rays, you can hold them up to a bright light source and see the wavy flex marks in the media itself. This seems to be less of a problem with older DVDs, and I think because the media is more dense and closer to the surface of Blu-rays this has become more of an issue with them. I'm sure the 4ks will be even worse regarding flexing issues. And the only time I ever have any problems playing a Blu-ray is if it is a rental, sent by mail in a flimsy paper mailer. If I rent the same title from my BB store or buy it after having some problem, then they ALWAYS work.

If true, that certainly explains a lot about my experiences with mail based BR rentals. There are quite a few that I've received that do tend to lockup about an hour into the movie. Upon visual inspection there is no apparent damage to the disk.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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Copy protection aside, I've found bluray to be a lot more picky than DVD every was. I've had lots more movies simply refuse to load, more surface condition issues, etc. I always sort of hold my breath when I rent a bluray. Never really question if DVD media will work.

sounds like your bluray player is a piece of shit.
 

SaurusX

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How do I get a blu ray to play on my SNES? I keep cramming it into the top slot, but nothing comes on.
 

sourceninja

Diamond Member
Mar 8, 2005
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It's been like this for years now. Even when I buy something legit I just download the higher quality torrent for actual viewing.

Buy blueray disk, download 1080p mkv, feel good about following the spirit of the law but not the letter of the lunacy.
 

Juddog

Diamond Member
Dec 11, 2006
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It's been like this for years now. Even when I buy something legit I just download the higher quality torrent for actual viewing.

Buy blueray disk, download 1080p mkv, feel good about following the spirit of the law but not the letter of the lunacy.

You can always use AnyDVD to do basically the same thing. The only downside to converting is that it takes up a lot of space. That isn't too big of an issue now that you can buy a 3 TB drive for ~$109 (at least that's what I paid last time there was a sale on newegg), but it's worth it.

I love the fact that I can just use AnyDVD to take out all the crap from the beginning that they don't let you skip through. The other downside is that it takes a while to process, but as long as you develop a routine (start the conversion, walk away and do something else, come back and it's done type of thing) it's not an issue.
 

shabby

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Oct 9, 1999
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Copy protection aside, I've found bluray to be a lot more picky than DVD every was. I've had lots more movies simply refuse to load, more surface condition issues, etc. I always sort of hold my breath when I rent a bluray. Never really question if DVD media will work.

Sounds like those pesky nes cartridges, you've got to blow on them!
 
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