Legal Herbs?

[Heller]

does anyone have any experaice with them? any recommendations? theres so many to choose from and no reviews, red dragon blue ice, can any body chime in on their personal experience?

 

[TubeTote]

This is the best website for your questions regarding legal herbs:

www.erowid.org

There is everything from scientific data, legal status, experience reports, and much more.

I would like to recommend some things but I'm not sure what you are looking for. Relaxation? A serious 'trip'? Energy? Elaborate on that and maybe I can help you out.

 

[Heller]

similar to the pot effect...

 

[F1N3ST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQHKQbXal0

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[Heller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaQHKQbXal0

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troll

 

[F1N3ST]

troll

Nuh uh. You are.

 

[F1N3ST]

Here's my useful contribution, I've heard good things about this stuff, it's legal in MI. Some tobacco store near me sells it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

 

[Heller]

Here's my useful contribution, I've heard good things about this stuff, it's legal in MI. Some tobacco store near me sells it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

illegal in florida

 

[F1N3ST]

illegal in florida

I tried, am I still a troll?

Go do some nutmeg.

http://www.truthtree.com/Nutmeg.shtml

 

[TubeTote]

OK...

Well salvia is a very interesting plant with some amazing effects, but I would in no way compare it to a mj high. Read some of the experience reports at Erowid. If you are wanting to try salvia, be a little prepared first, as it can be a little overwhelming. A couple of pointers:

Use a concentrated extract, not just plain leaf. I would recommend 5X or maybe 10X extract. Use a torch, not a lighter. Salvia needs a higher temp to release all of its active constituents. Be careful...take one hit at a time and wait at least 30 to 60 seconds between tokes. I have seen people really freak out by doing too much too fast. If you can get your hands on it, I recommend a 'tincture' of salvia. This is held in the mouth and absorbed through the gums, similar to the ancient method of chewing the fresh leaves. The stuff tastes nasty but it has a nice slow and manageable experience compared to smoking, which is quite sudden and short lived.


As far as herbs that might have similar properties to mj, one of my favorites is Kava Kava. Many people don't get off on it simply because they don't realize that a very large intake is necessary to feel its effects. The store bought pills are too weak. The natives who use this plant take in much higher amounts of kavalactones than these pills provide. Try this product if you are interested, I find that 2-3 capsules makes for a very enjoyable day:

http://basementshaman.com/kavwavkavex.html

Just stay away from alcohol when doing Kava, as the combination is very bad for your liver. Also, do this on a chill day when you can simply relax and enjoy...too much commotion takes away from the experience.


I will think about some others that may interest you and post again.

 

[TubeTote]

Ok, here is a list of some legal herbs I have tried, and a brief description:

Leonurus Sibiricus (Marihuanilla): Pretty much worthless, very faint buzz and very unpleasant smoke. Nothing like mj.

Leonotis leonurus (Wild Dagga): Better than the forementioned marijuanilla (they are cousins) but still pretty mild. A light buzz that is hard to sustain. Still not really like mj, but for some may be worth experimenting with.

Yohimbe: A very potent stimulant that will wire you up for a long time. Not for the faint of heart, literally.

Betel Nuts: Very popular in other parts of the world, but I don't really enjoy chewing them. They gave me a nice buzz the first time I tried them, kind of like chewing tobacco for the first time, but nothing after that. These are supposed to have a stimulating effect. There is a very good product that makes these much more palatable:

http://basementshaman.com/betnutsmarch.html


Wormwood: Don't even bother unless you can get real absinthe...the stuff they are selling here in the states is a joke compared to the real thing. The herb used on its own is of no value to me.

Amanita Muscaria: This is actually a mushroom, and I have had some excellent experiences with them. This one requires a bit of discipline and understanding before you go there...do your research. I cannot really explain the experience, it is entirely different than the effects of psilocybin, LSD or mescaline.

Hope this helps! Good luck and BE CAREFUL.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

This stuff is the shit.

 

[icyroy05]

If you can find something called Spice Gold by a company called p.e.p. try it. Although it is pretty pricey. I think I paid about $70 for 3 grams.

The stuff does work, almost too well. It gave me and the people I did it with an intense head high. There was a body high, but it was mild. It fills the place for a legal mj substitute perfectly.

More info. for anyone that wants it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_%28drug)

 

[TubeTote]

If you can find something called Spice Gold by a company called p.e.p. try it. Although it is pretty pricey. I think I paid about $70 for 3 grams.

Interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice_(drug)

 

[ShawnD1]

www.erowid.org

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/inhalants/inhalants_info1.shtml

The -nitrite portion of the molecule is what affects you, regardless
of what organic molecule it's attached to. The effects are the same
regardless. The basic effect is to cause all of the muscles of the
body to relax, which is why poppers were so popular among gay men--
they made anal intercourse easier.

haha

 

[TubeTote]

Lol

 

[destrekor]

lol @ poppers

Anyhow, most of the legal "bud" out there does in fact have manufactured chemicals (synthetic cannabinoid-like) though not a single legal herb provider actually readily admits this, going as far as saying the high is provided by the random assortment of plants in the mix.

My buddy swears by K2 Summit. Also look up plant food in your searches.

 

[bobdole369]

Well salvia is a very interesting plant with some amazing effects, but I would in no way compare it to a mj high.

Agreed. While it was legal in FL I turned into a freakin wizard or something. I purchased a blosser clone and had at least 8 plants growing and was collecting leaf all the time. I agree about using an "extract", but don't buy it at the mall and don't treat it like a drug.

It's very much NOT a party drug. It's meant to be used alone, its a very introspective experience. I likened it to "going to visit the salvia gnomes". I seriously felt like I visited another world for about 15 seconds. It's not something that fucks you up or that you can do and go have fun. Trying to do more will land you a headache.

You also really shouldn't try mixing with a doob or alcohol or anything else. Do use a torch and do keep that fucker going like a crackrock. You'll know fairly quickly (like within 5 seconds or so) if you are having a nice trip over there or not. If you don't - well there is always tomorrow.

Otherwise the diviner's sage is meant to be enjoyed and personally used. I'm not a fan of buying it, you should get a plant (ideally be given one) and grow it yourself. Extracts are simple to do.

Now that its illegal in florida - thanks youtube - all that is over with. No big loss though. I don't miss her.

 

[TubeTote]

blosser clone

That is what I have in my collection

Agree with most of what you are saying about the experience...though me and some buddies have had fun playing on the 'fringe' with the stuff (just going for that short 'loss of gravity' effect). Going any further should definately be done in a quiet and comfortable setting. She can be very intense.

 

[brblx]

salvia is fucking terrifying.

for about two minutes.

weirdest shit ever.

 

[shortylickens]

I was gonna recommend salvia but it looks like you guys are on top of it.

 

[icyroy05]

salvia is fucking terrifying.

for about two minutes.

weirdest shit ever.

After doing it once I've since been intimidated by it. I want to do it again, but cripes shit went from pretty cool to weird.

 

[bobdole369]

salvia is fucking terrifying.

for about two minutes.

weirdest shit ever.

Don't be scared of her. Likely have too much or did very strong extract. She seems to have reverse tolerance. I was using up less and less to where I was just single bowl of leaf to go see the gnomes. No extract at all.

In the dark is much more relaxing too.

 

[MiniDoom]

salvia is fucking terrifying.

for about two minutes.

weirdest shit ever.

I did not enjoy it either. I have a much better time watching other people do it. if i ever want to partake in anything like that i'll stick to shrooms.

 

[ra990]

I've heard that these legal herb offerings from sites like legalbuds.com are crap. Some of them are just died lettuce leaves with added chemicals. Much worse for you than just smoking pot, I would guess.

This is an interesting post because just yesterday I was reading up on herbs like chamomile, kava kava, lavender, passion flower etc. and decided to order a bunch of them to create my own blends for vaporizing in the evenings in order to relax a bit. I suffer from mild insomnia, back pain, stress headaches, and hate taking stuff like ambien so often just to sleep. Of course, mary jane would be an excellent natural remedy for my ailments, but alas it is illegal for the stupidest of reasons. Hopefully, this will change in the coming years.

I will let you know if I am successful at creating any good blends that offer a nice relaxing experience.

EDIT: I have heard good things about "spice". However, I haven't been able to find any to try. Also, it is pretty expensive, about the same price as mj.

Anyone know a good place to order some "spice"?