Legal pot

[umbrella39]

'If they things like "DUH, I DUNNO"'

What is this supposed to mean? It makes no sense. Are you high right now? I guess you must be, by your own logic.

The irony is he comes off as being a much bigger retard than the people he is pointing his finger at. Some people sadly don't have pot to blame for their obvious shortcomings and stupidity.

 

[jagec]

You only think that because your devil drug has your brain in a fog unable to comprehend the real world around you.

In reality you're a bum living in a box and your "coworkers" are also bums.

:thumbsup:

 

[Grooveriding]

I'd be interested to see any studies, from any source, that claim marijuana is as addictive as nicotine.

It's not, that is of course ridiculous. Nicotine has a strong physical addiction component to it. It's more addictive than heroine in that respect. A human body can become addicted to nicotine in under a week with regular usage. It's doubly powerful because nicotine also becomes a powerful psychological addiction as well, generally manifesting with anecdotes like 'needing a cigarette first thing in the morning, with coffee, after a meal, with alcohol' etc.

Marijuana does not have a physical addiction component. The brain and body do not become physically dependent on it and you do not manifest physical withdrawl symptoms as you do when quitting cigarettes. That said, it can develop a fairly strong mental addiction component to it with regular usage. You'd probably notice it in 'chronics' - people who use it regularly. I can attest to it myself. I smoked pot daily from about 15 up to my mid 20s, at which point I had to give it up as it was a real conflict of terms with my upcoming career. It was a challenge to give it up for a lot of reasons, and was not as simple as just stopping. When you use something like that regularly it becomes habitual and a compulsion of the mind. I also had to quit smoking cigarettes at the same time, which wasn't initially the plan, but I found I couldn't have one without the other.

This is a good move to see though, even as a non-American. It's a waste of resources chasing down people who smoke a joint or take a bong load. Really every drug should be taken off the table as something that the law deals with when it comes to the end-user. Gradually society is evolving and moving forward to this end with some countries already there and others working towards it.

It's an archaic, outdated and programmed notion that recreational drug use needs to be chased down. Resources should be directed solely to border security to keep the drugs that necessitate importation out; heroine, cocaine etc. - and dealing with the people distributing and profiteering off it. Who do constitute an element you don't want running free with all the violence and other illegal activity dealers and traffickers are involved in. In terms of an approach to the end-user, what is needed is honest and up front education on the real risks and consequences to your health and life.

Pot on the scale of recreational drugs is probably the least harmful though, alcohol is a far more dangerous drug with real physical and mental addiction, causing the loss of control of yourself which pot does not. Also in already predisposed individuals to destructive behavior it can bring on violence, drunk driving, sexual assault, spousal/child abuse etc.

Best bet with pot is to go beyond the current state of things to legalization. Package it, regulate it and tax it. Drugs are one of these things that simply are not ever going to go away. They've been around as long as we have been. As we evolve we will learn to accept them and find more positive ways to educate people on the dangers of irresponsible drug usage and the consequences of scale with the more serious drugs.

A 'war' on drugs is nothing more than a war against your own society. Drug usage is widespread; any workplace, school or church will have people who use recreational drugs. Drugs become harmful when they become an addiction, dependence, disruption to having a functional life and/or a habit you cannot sustain without resorting to illegal means. Just like the gambling user who goes to Vegas once in while and plays the slots and tables without going bankrupt, there is the cocaine user who does a few lines once in a while and still goes to work, pays their bills and otherwise does not break any laws.

 

[Saint Nick]

I'm high as fuck right now.

 

[OutHouse]

The effects stay longer, or just traces of the substance?

THC stays in your system longer. So I imagine this would have some sort of impact of safety sensitive jobs... bus driver, pilot, etc.

thats the rub. the strains that are out now are potent and the THC from today's strains can be detected in your system for weeks after just a couple of bong hits or eating one of these little morsels.

 

[zinfamous]

thats the rub. the strains that are out now are potent and the THC from today's strains can be detected in your system for weeks after just a couple of bong hits or eating one of these little morsels.

well, the question is if it compromises safety, it does not


THC stays in your system for __x__ time because it takes __x__ time to process whatever potency of THC you have consumed.

However, the high from this THC, lasts the same amount of time as any other potency of THC. the high, however, is different.


If you are high after about 5 hours of smoking a doob, then you are pretending.

 

[OutHouse]

well, the question is if it compromises safety, it does not


THC stays in your system for __x__ time because it takes __x__ time to process whatever potency of THC you have consumed.

However, the high from this THC, lasts the same amount of time as any other potency of THC. the high, however, is different.


If you are high after about 5 hours of smoking a doob, then you are pretending.

correct. the point is, you can have THC in your system and not be impaired. the problem is developing a test that can prove by some number that yes you are indeed impaired by THC.

 

[leper84]

You're right, OP, pot will basically destroy the professional workplace. Soon, the only jobs you'll be able to get in Colorado and Washington will be baking brownies or sucking dicks for $5 a pop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vpin9VhNck

 

[sze5003]

Well it will be a long time before any of the eastern states get it. They used to sell that synthetic stuff legally and within months that was taken off the market as well. People reacted crazy to that stuff although that wasn't pure. I agree its not as dangerous as alcohol or cigarettes. I'm glad I replaced my cigs with the electronic cig. I deff felt a difference immediately a week or two after vaping lower doses of nicotine.

 

[ch33zw1z]

correct. the point is, you can have THC in your system and not be impaired. the problem is developing a test that can prove by some number that yes you are indeed impaired by THC.

Check out Rhode Island's medical MJ laws...

 

[Pr0d1gy]

correct. the point is, you can have THC in your system and not be impaired. the problem is developing a test that can prove by some number that yes you are indeed impaired by THC.

Honestly, this is just another lie being passed around by people who don't know anything or believe the propaganda. I, and plenty of my friends, have been driving while high for years and never even had an accident while high. This whole driving while high issue is just another excuse for them to try to drag this out for years and years longer than they already have. Nothing more, nothing less.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1775.html

http://current.com/groups/politics/90104998_driving-stoned-not-so-dangerous.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20007257-48.html

 

[mnewsham]

Okay let me just say there is a way to tell if someone is currently high vs. high awhile ago, 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC) is the substance that has a long half-life staying in your body for up to a month it has no psychoactive properties, now 11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC is the metabolite of 11-Hydroxy-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (11-Hydroxy-THC) which is believed to be somewhat psychoactive, but nowhere near the scale of straight THC, now 11-Hydroxy-THC is the metabolite of THC which is the main psychoactive chemical, it stays in your body for less than a day.

TLDR; most tests currently test for 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol because it stays in the system for a long while, however we should be able to test for other things which dissipate soon after the effects of cannabis stop.


Also I am now officially 34 days pot free and ready to take my piss test. But boy do i miss it

 

[hans030390]

Honestly, this is just another lie being passed around by people who don't know anything or believe the propaganda. I, and plenty of my friends, have been driving while high for years and never even had an accident while high. This whole driving while high issue is just another excuse for them to try to drag this out for years and years longer than they already have. Nothing more, nothing less.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1775.html

http://current.com/groups/politics/90104998_driving-stoned-not-so-dangerous.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20007257-48.html

I agree. While I think it is best to not drive while high, it takes a fool to really let it impair their driving abilities. Or someone that is new to the experience. Either way, it's not nearly as dangerous as driving drunk. Having been drunk, but never driven so, I can only assume this to be true. I'm not even sure I'd label it as dangerous if we're talking about a responsible, thoughtful adult.

I can say for a fact though that there are many successful people in this world that smoke regularly over years and years. It can't really be equated to other substances in how it affects the mind and body over time (smoking anything is not healthy, of course). If someone can't be responsible with it, they're probably not a responsible person to begin with. But don't limit others because of a few people like that here and there...

 

[Saint Nick]

Also I am now officially 34 days pot free and ready to take my piss test. But boy do i miss it

I'll blaze one for ya. At least when you come back you'll get high as fuck! I'm due for a little tolerance break myself.

 

[mnewsham]

I'll blaze one for ya. At least when you come back you'll get high as fuck! I'm due for a little tolerance break myself.

Haha appreciate it, I stopped because I'm probably joining military so it could be some time before I can toke again.

 

[Wyndru]

I agree. While I think it is best to not drive while high, it takes a fool to really let it impair their driving abilities. Or someone that is new to the experience. Either way, it's not nearly as dangerous as driving drunk. Having been drunk, but never driven so, I can only assume this to be true. I'm not even sure I'd label it as dangerous if we're talking about a responsible, thoughtful adult.

I'm not proud of it, but I have driven both stoned and drunk when I was in college, and here is what I remember.

In the beginning when I was stoned I seemed to be more cautious because I had a sense of paranoia going. People that rode would me would tell me that my driving was fine, but I always felt like it wasn't. After doing it often, I started to get that feeling that you get sometimes where you go on autopilot and forget that you are even driving. I get that sober when I'm thinking about something. But I never once had any close calls or any problems. I never ran red lights or sat at a green light like people seem to think happens. It's still impaired so it wasn't the best idea, but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Driving drunk on the other hand was bad. If you are drunk enough you end up all over the road. It's just like walking...you get drunk enough and you are just as impaired behind the wheel as you are when you are staggering on the sidewalk. Luckily it was only 2 times that I did that, and very short distances. It was still stupid though and now I won't even drive after I've had 1. Driving really drunk is fucking scary, but you are too drunk to give a fuck.

 

[Raizinman]

I also have to wonder about all the people in jail in both Colorado and Washington who were convicted by the state for MJ. I haven't heard of anyone opening the jail doors to let them out.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I also have to wonder about all the people in jail in both Colorado and Washington who were convicted by the state for MJ. I haven't heard of anyone opening the jail doors to let them out.

It is more profitable to leave them locked up.

 

[Wyndru]

I also have to wonder about all the people in jail in both Colorado and Washington who were convicted by the state for MJ. I haven't heard of anyone opening the jail doors to let them out.

The only ones that are now legal under the new law are the ones that just had possession of whatever the amount is legal now. I'm sure there weren't many that got locked up for possession of a small amount. Most in jail were probably put in there for intent to distribute, which I assume is still illegal.

 

[Nintendesert]

I also have to wonder about all the people in jail in both Colorado and Washington who were convicted by the state for MJ. I haven't heard of anyone opening the jail doors to let them out.

I doubt there are many or any that are in jail/prison simply for possession of 1oz of weed.

 

[TechBoyJK]

That is the most ignorant thing Ive have read all night. Both alcohol and weed are bad for you. The latter has the added drawback of making you stupid, fat, lazy and unmotivated. Lying also tends to be a problem. It makes you say stupid things like "weed is harmless".

not sure if serious, but if you think his statement was ignorant, yours is ++

 

[sze5003]

The ones in jail are those that had more than enough to supply it to multiple people. Were talking pounds here and whatever amount in those states Is intent to sell.

 

[Kyle]

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/178188531.html

Some people got off the hook but yeah, looks like just those w/ 1 ounce or less

 

[Newbian]

State's rights. Fed's need to butt out.

The problem is if that was true then half the southern states would still prevent interracial marriages or a ton of other issues like that.

Sometimes it's needed to get past issues like that.

 

[sze5003]

There's other things they need to prosecute, harder drugs etc. Should have been made legal long time ago.