Legal Weed Thread.... updated 1/31/15

[TreVader]

Does your cat get out and eat mice all the time? If not, you're safe.

Um... sometimes. When I go on vacations I will drop her off at my parents. She is far too obese to catch mice herself but my parents cat is a psychopathic mouse murder machine and sometimes she gets "leftovers" (aka half dead mouse gets away from parents cat and she eats it).

 

[Gooberlx2]

Um... sometimes. When I go on vacations I will drop her off at my parents. She is far too obese to catch mice herself but my parents cat is a psychopathic mouse murder machine and sometimes she gets "leftovers" (aka half dead mouse gets away from parents cat and she eats it).

Then uh...yeah. Good call.

 

[Ns1]

Yeah. I'm going to pick up some edibles today I'll take pics. Way better for you.

The problem with edibles is it costs 3-5x as much to get the same effect, and on top of that a lot of it depends on your metabolism. They use hash oil instead of butter in the Cheeba chews and they work so much better, kick in within 30 minutes and last a uniform 5 hours. But Cheeba chews are like the most expensive edibles you can buy.

find better edibles.

 

[Markbnj]

The only issue I ever had was there wasn't/isn't (as far as i know) a reliable method for testing if someone had smoked it recently or it was in their system from prior use and I don't agree people should be able to drive or work whilst under its effects in the exact same way as alcohol.

Not to pick on you, but this is one of my personal hot buttons because it's bullshit. The effects of marijuana are nothing at all like the effects of alcohol. Not convinced? Let's meet up at a ski resort and hit a black diamond mogul run. I'll get stoned at the top, and you have a couple of drinks, and we'll see who gets to the bottom on their skis. Not a skier? Pick any other activity requiring hand-eye coordination. You must play frisbee, basketball, football, type on a keyboard? Pick anything I know how to do, I'll get stoned, and you get drunk, and I'll kick your ass at it.

The fact is there is precious little evidence that marijuana "intoxication" affects driving skills.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

Surprisingly, given the alarming results of cognitive studies, most marijuana-intoxicated drivers show only modest impairments on actual road tests.37, 38 Experienced smokers who drive on a set course show almost no functional impairment under the influence of marijuana, except when it is combined with alcohol.

You would be amazed at the number of top athletes, golfers, basketball players, football players, who engage in their sport while under the influence of marijuana. The active chemicals and the affects of them are completely different in marijuana and alcohol, but in America these days I guess anyone paying attention to reality is too much to hope for.

 

[Subyman]

Sad part is that huge stockpile that the growers can't get rid of will likely go to the black market, which will stoke the fires of repealing the law. The state probably should have set lower grow limits and limited the amount of grow licenses they gave out as they ramp up the program. Luckily, it will fix itself as people get out of the grow industry and supply/demand settles to something reasonable if they let it play out over several years.

 

[mnewsham]

Not to pick on you, but this is one of my personal hot buttons because it's bullshit. The effects of marijuana are nothing at all like the effects of alcohol. Not convinced? Let's meet up at a ski resort and hit a black diamond mogul run. I'll get stoned at the top, and you have a couple of drinks, and we'll see who gets to the bottom on their skis. Not a skier? Pick any other activity requiring hand-eye coordination. You must play frisbee, basketball, football, type on a keyboard? Pick anything I know how to do, I'll get stoned, and you get drunk, and I'll kick your ass at it.

The fact is there is precious little evidence that marijuana "intoxication" affects driving skills.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/



You would be amazed at the number of top athletes, golfers, basketball players, football players, who engage in their sport while under the influence of marijuana. The active chemicals and the affects of them are completely different in marijuana and alcohol, but in America these days I guess anyone paying attention to reality is too much to hope for.

While I agree 100% for regular experienced smokers, this will never fly for the law, you will be expected to not go to work high and you will be expected to not drive or operate machinery high.

Though the experienced smokers will likely just continue to do as they always have, I never expect the law to relax to that point.

 

[TreVader]

find better edibles.

Well, there are more potent edibles than my favorites (Cheeba Chews), but they are butter-based and are far less consistent and slower to kick in.


Example. Korova makes this brownie called the "Korova Black Bar"
http://ireadculture.com/article-3325-korova-black-brownie-bar.html

It contains 1000mg of THC and 20mg CBD. For $40, that's damn good considering top-shelf flowers at 25% THC are going to cost you $15 for 1g. So 250mg/$15 vs 1000mg/$40. You can see that this is a better deal (at least if the THC gets into your system, more on that later). But here is the question, how do they make this thing. Check the ingredients, its all butter! Now I don't know if you've ever tried to eat a half a stick of butter, but that is about what is in this thing. It's HEAVY, gastronomically and psychologically.


So I bought this thing thinking "wow! What a great deal! What idiot would pay $20 for a 170mg Cheeba chew when they can get 1000mg for $40?!". Well turns out there is a big difference in the way hash oil (in the cheeba chew) and cannabutter (in the brownie) are processed. The hash oil is, for one, concentrated into a tiny little chew the size of the tip of your thumb, so it is digested much faster. The butter sits there until it gets to your small intestine and then the body can release bile to digest the fat. That takes about 1 to 2 hours, a long time to wait, but once it starts it moves FAST.

This brownie did pretty much nothing to me for 2 hours. I thought it was BS and finished the whole thing, but tried to keep an open mind and hoped it started working better. About 15 minutes later, I was way too high. It was not fun, it was scary. Just TONS of paranoia, dry mouth, dry eyes, and generally not a good feeling. It also lasted 12 f'n hours! I was not functional and called in sick the next day. Not a good experience, but my own fault for reading the directions and ignoring them.

The cheeba chew is totally different. It kicks in in 30 minutes, last 3-5 hours every time, and is always the same consistency. It also doesn't require you to eat a stick of butter.


So yeah, I can get cheaper edibles. Do I want to though? Eh.

 

[Ns1]

I never said find cheaper edibles. I said find better ones =P

 

[manimal]

Mark Hunt won F1 races while stoney



I dont smoke but damn if it was legal in my state I would definitely try Cheeba chews. The name alone invokes something. I smoked in my 20s but stopped because I was an opera singer and I didnt like the heat in my throat.

With vaping and edibles where they are now do you guys eat more than smoke? Since vaping is so mild I am curious if it bothers any of you guys or gives you a dry mouth or dry throat?

 

[FDF12389]

Mark Hunt won F1 races while stoney



I dont smoke but damn if it was legal in my state I would definitely try Cheeba chews. The name alone invokes something. I smoked in my 20s but stopped because I was an opera singer and I didnt like the heat in my throat.

With vaping and edibles where they are now do you guys eat more than smoke? Since vaping is so mild I am curious if it bothers any of you guys or gives you a dry mouth or dry throat?

Vaping can still cause you to cough(much less than smoking though), and enough coughing can of course agitate your throat. Other than that, nope.

 

[Markbnj]

While I agree 100% for regular experienced smokers, this will never fly for the law, you will be expected to not go to work high and you will be expected to not drive or operate machinery high.

The problem is that there is no test for "intoxication" for marijuana. If alcohol is present in your system at x concentration then you are suffering y amount of measurable physical impairment in motor skills and coordination. That's more or less what the current laws are based on. If I smoked pot four weeks ago it will still show up on a test. They can to some extent estimate when I ingested it based on the concentration, but it's very rough and there is absolutely no correlation to any defined state of "intoxication."

 

[Paladin3]

Dude, get smart. Some of us who don't do drugs are trying to stop the *massive* drug war bull$hit trend of society incarcerating those who do. It just hurts society by creating a class of criminals who can't support themselves.

Now you sound (correct me if I am wrong) like you want to be able to work, drive and do other potentially dangerous activities high? You will *NEVER* get that to fly in America, no mater how much anecdotal evidence you have of being able to fly high just fine.

If you are going to do recreational drugs, or even if you need it medicinally, you have to accept that you are limiting the activities you can participate in until you are completely sober.

 

[marincounty]

Legal pot is fine. I just wish users would switch to edible forms in public places. Pot smoke is no less disgusting than cigarette smoke. Having to go through the smoking wars all over again seems retarded.

But pot smoke is a lot less disgusting than cigarette smoke.
First of all pot smoke is way less toxic than tobacco smoke, as in not causing cancer (read about the UCLA study on lung damage and pot) and pot smoke does not linger as long as tobacco smoke and pollute your clothes horribly.
Last time I checked most outdoor places allow tobacco smoking, which is a legal product, so what is your problem with that?

 

[IronWing]

But pot smoke is a lot less disgusting than cigarette smoke.
First of all pot smoke is way less toxic than tobacco smoke, as in not causing cancer (read about the UCLA study on lung damage and pot) and pot smoke does not linger as long as tobacco smoke and pollute your clothes horribly.
Last time I checked most outdoor places allow tobacco smoking, which is a legal product, so what is your problem with that?

They're both disgusting And smokers of both persuasions are assholes for lighting up around other people, indoors or outdoors. Both seem to believe that their smoke magically vanishs as they exhale. Last weekend I had to leave a concert I had driven five hundred miles to attend because a bunch of fuckstain pot smokers chose to light up in a packed concert hall. Bunch of inconsiderate assholes.

 

[Paladin3]

But pot smoke is a lot less disgusting than cigarette smoke.
First of all pot smoke is way less toxic than tobacco smoke, as in not causing cancer (read about the UCLA study on lung damage and pot) and pot smoke does not linger as long as tobacco smoke and pollute your clothes horribly.
Last time I checked most outdoor places allow tobacco smoking, which is a legal product, so what is your problem with that?

I can't stand the smell of tobacco or pot smoke and I won't spend time around it. If it's at a business then I'm not going to be a customer, and if it's at a party then please don't invite me.

Pot smokers need to understand that if they want to be left alone to do their drug then they need to be considerate about it or they encourage the very prohibition we are trying to get rid of for them.

I'm willing to leave you guys alone, but not if I have to suck in your second hand smoke. You guys just keep shooting yourselves in the foot on this issue.

 

[Ns1]

I'm willing to leave you guys alone, but not if I have to suck in your second hand smoke. You guys just keep shooting yourselves in the foot on this issue.

You know what would solve this? Legalization and and regulation, same as cigarettes. As it stands pot smokers are "breaking the law anyway" so who gives a fuck.

To further this point, if I was at a concert and could reasonably go outside for 15 minutes and get loaded (hell put us in the smoking section with the rest of the smokers), I wouldn't have to wait until the band came on and then quickly try to take a few hits.

Win/Win for everyone.

 

[IronWing]

You know what would solve this? Legalization and and regulation, same as cigarettes. As it stands pot smokers are "breaking the law anyway" so who gives a fuck.

I agree.

 

[Phoenix86]

I can't stand the smell of tobacco or pot smoke and I won't spend time around it. If it's at a business then I'm not going to be a customer, and if it's at a party then please don't invite me.

Pot smokers need to understand that if they want to be left alone to do their drug then they need to be considerate about it or they encourage the very prohibition we are trying to get rid of for them.

I'm willing to leave you guys alone, but not if I have to suck in your second hand smoke. You guys just keep shooting yourselves in the foot on this issue.

There's pretty much no one advocating anything you're railing against except fringe idiots. Typical pro-pot people are not asking the lawmakers to allow: public intox from pot, public use of pot, use of pot in a work place.

Many pro-pot people don't even want to use it, they just want to stop wasting public resources (their tax money) fighting an activity that hasn't been proven to be harmful and creates a black market funding people who actually do harmful things.

So... What exactly is your point again?

 

[Ns1]

There's pretty much no one advocating anything you're railing against except fringe idiots. Typical pro-pot people are not asking the lawmakers to allow: public intox from pot, public use of pot, use of pot in a work place.

Many pro-pot people don't even want to use it, they just want to stop wasting public resources (their tax money) fighting an activity that hasn't been proven to be harmful and creates a black market funding people who actually do harmful things.

So... What exactly is your point again?

+infinity

 

[Phoenix86]

You know what would solve this? Legalization and and regulation, same as cigarettes. As it stands pot smokers are "breaking the law anyway" so who gives a fuck.

To further this point, if I was at a concert and could reasonably go outside for 15 minutes and get loaded (hell put us in the smoking section with the rest of the smokers), I wouldn't have to wait until the band came on and then quickly try to take a few hits.

Win/Win for everyone.

Not only that, but because of the crowd and the inability to police it properly, an environment has been created where it's actually one of the safest places to smoke. How fucked up is that?

 

[Ns1]

Not only that, but because of the crowd and the inability to police it properly, an environment has been created where it's actually one of the safest places to smoke. How fucked up is that?

totally true.

 

[Paladin3]

There's pretty much no one advocating anything you're railing against except fringe idiots. Typical pro-pot people are not asking the lawmakers to allow: public intox from pot, public use of pot, use of pot in a work place.

Many pro-pot people don't even want to use it, they just want to stop wasting public resources (their tax money) fighting an activity that hasn't been proven to be harmful and creates a black market funding people who actually do harmful things.

So... What exactly is your point again?

I'm not "railing" against anything and agree with pretty much exactly what you said in your second paragraph. Please read my other posts.

It only takes a few idiots using pot irresponsibly to ruin it for those who use it safely. Some pot users keep comparing driving stoned with driving drunk as if driving stoned is a good thing. Those fringe idiots (some of them right here in this thread and others we've discussed on ATOT) need to be stopped for marijuana to have any chance of being widely legalized.

 

[SparkyJJO]

$20 says you have taken prescription drugs harder than pot, also; caffeine, alcohol, Tylenol, etc etc. These are drugs of similar danger as pot. Alcohol and Tylenol (especially if mixed) are worse than pot for your body. Caffeine has a much higher addiction rate than pot too.

You claiming you don't do drugs period is cute. What you really mean to say is you don't do anything you've been brought up to see as a drug.

I've NEVER had a single prescription drug, ever, so you just lost $20. But that's OK, I won't actually ask you pay it because I'm a nice guy

And if you consider having a beer or drinking a cup of coffee "doing drugs" well I can't help it that you don't understand the definition of that phrase

And no, I don't need that cup of coffee every day. I can just as easily do without. No, I don't get drunk, ever. I rarely even touch an OTC painkiller like Tylenol.

Heh, I find it funny how bent out of shape some of you get over my refusal to touch pot I even said I couldn't care less if it was legalized but I guess that isn't good enough lol.

 

[Ns1]

And if you consider having a beer or drinking a cup of coffee "doing drugs" well I can't help it that you don't understand the definition of that phrase

Since alcohol and caffeine are drugs...

 

[Ruptga]

http://xkcd.com/1475/

And if you consider having a beer or drinking a cup of coffee "doing drugs" well I can't help it that you don't understand the definition of that phrase

He is technically right. However...