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TreVader

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Here is what I understand from a significant amount of research:



For the longest time weed was a weed, just this plant that was grown out in the open that people knew got you high. Weed's brother hemp was the productive one that was refined into a useful product. Weed was kinda left alone. If people wanted a stronger smoke then they would make that weed into hash, a concentrated form, in a practice goes back over a millenia. The other option in say the 60's was to get weed from places that naturally has stronger plants growing there. Back then outdoor grown Thai sticks maybe dipped in a stronger drug were as good as you could do outside of hash.



Then sometime in the late-70's-early-80's a new market for high-end weed came around. Super rich customers were willing to be pot tourists in Amsterdam, or pay sky high prices for a better product in places like New York. Modern hydroponic growing techniques from plants like tomatoes were combined with advanced lighting to make indoor grow houses that could be somewhat shielded from authorities here in the states. Instead of having to sneak the weed type of the drug across the Mexican border, cartels could buy houses in metropolitan suburbs and let some stoner green thumb turn it into a cash cow. Hydroponic weed could fetch 8-20 times the prices the Mexican stuff could, and Amsterdam fed the American market a ton of differing strains of higher and higher potency to justify those prices. Eventually sometime in the early 00's a Canadian lack of enforcement allowed out northern border to flood that market, and soon the Mexican cartels moved onto harder drugs and more violence. From what I understand outdoor weed is still sold and grown, especially in states without a lot of population and possible illegal traffic lanes, but I don't see how a worse product could survive in such a competitive market even if it is an advanced strain.



From what I understand now the legal states (the ones with lax medical laws included) have become primary producers of drugs available in the non-legal states in their vicinity. I have also seen many articles about pot tourism from even Canadians, so it seems Colorado at least is getting the first mover benefit of being the release value for pot enthusiasm in America. Now that the barn door is open it is impossible to put the horses back in, and now the high end pot trade is moving to a new target of edibles and concentrated THC products. Reading this story from that perspective and it would seem that someone made a gamble that any old weed would be good enough and are dealing with the consequences when it turns out stoners have standards too. I don't see anything in the article that makes my inner Libertarian nervous that we will have to deal with a loss in momentum on this subject till at least 2017, and then only if a Republican is in the White House.



If anything the articles shows that effective markets can effect change anywhere, even in hippy stoner communities. Sorry communists.


The main reason weed "got stronger" is that people in the 60s just assumed the whole plant got you high. They didn't cure it well. They didn't trim it well (if at all) and they definitely weren't making BHO extracts.


They were just dumb. Or ignorant to be precise. Weed was and is the exact same plant, and mediocre strains can be grown to 20%+ THC content under the right guidance.



These recreational clubs are totally raping people on prices. The guy made $21 a gram, on average, selling wholesale to a dealer. What did this club he sold to then sell that junk for? 40/g?


In LA you will be extremely lucky to get $6/g wholesale for top shelf medical stuff. That's as a grower.
 
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Ns1

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Legalizing pot should never have been about making money. The biggest benefit of legalizing pot is keeping people out of jail for something as silly as smoking weed.

So much this.
 

Ruptga

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KB said:
Legalizing pot should never have been about making money. The biggest benefit of legalizing pot is keeping people out of jail for something as silly as smoking weed.
So much this.

Yeah but since when does our government give a shit about ethics? They never would have given it a second look if they hadn't been persuaded that they could tax the stuff.
 

TreVader

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/facepalm



Really? Everything somehow comes down to race huh?


Look up why drugs, in general, were made illegal.


Then maybe enroll in school. If you think drugs and race have nothing to do with each other you are either an idiot or a toddler.
 

Grooveriding

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Legalizing pot should never have been about making money. The biggest benefit of legalizing pot is keeping people out of jail for something as silly as smoking weed.

This.

The reason marijuana and all recreational drugs need to be legalized is to put an end to incarcerating people for what they choose to ingest. Along with putting a stop to the violence and crime that comes from the production, trafficking and competition related to harder drugs. Byproduct of this is huge savings on all the people incarcerated for selling, using and stealing to use drugs.

Of course that will put an end to the gigantic corrections industry in the US and put a lot of jail guards, cops, lawyers, judges etc. out of work. Also the media will suffer loss of advertising revenue with less violent crime to report every night.

Drugs should of never been made illegal. Such a massive blunder and now it continues because there are multiple industries built around it and it gives politicians something to ramble about and try to get votes with. There is such hypocrisy to it all. Tobacco is one of the most addictive drugs and has always been legal. It kills more than any other drug every year. Alcohol is also one of the more dangerous drugs with drunk driving and the way some turn to violence when they're under its influence, yet both are treated as some sort of special use case.
 
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Crusty

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This forum would be much better if people stopped responding to FelixTheTroll.
 

Crusty

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What would we argue about then? He should be getting paid for his contributions to OT :^D

He's not even participating in this thread anymore... It would be one thing if he actually had valid points and contributed... but it's all just a ruse, all the way back to post #1.
 

SolMiester

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Legalizing pot should never have been about making money. The biggest benefit of legalizing pot is keeping people out of jail for something as silly as smoking weed.

Hello!, we have a winner!
 

FelixDeCat

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What would we argue about then? He should be getting paid for his contributions to OT :^D

Thanks lxskllr. I was about to suggest the same thing. ^_^

The only time people call you a troll is when they become too flustered to argue otherwise. I was accurate and thoughtful which caused some potheads call me a troll.

This is unfortunate and unsettling.
 
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SolMiester

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Thanks lxskllr. I was about to suggest the same thing. ^_^

The only time people call you a troll is when they become too flustered to argue otherwise. I was accurate and thoughtful which caused some potheads call me a troll.

This is unfortunate and unsettling.

Accurately incorrect in your opinion to the article! Not one person has agreed with you!
 

BoomerD

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Warshington gave control of legal pot to the State Liquor Control Board...and that's a group that has kept booze prices in Warshington outrageously high for many decades.

Restrictions on who can have a grower's license, who can have a retail license, where said retail establishment can be located, (can't be within 1000 feet of a school, park, or any other place "frequented" by children, plus outrageously high taxes, requirements on the testing of marijuana to be sold, (percentage of cannabinols in the strain) etc.

I don't smoke the shit, but I've watched the struggles of the legal pot industry because I've advocated legalization of it for at least 30 years.
As always, Warshington is fucking it up.
During the "drought" this past summer, "Legal Pot" was selling for $30-$40/gram...IF you could find it. The "guy on the corner"...less than $10/gm.
Apparently, with the recent harvests, the price has dropped considerably, but prices for legal pot is still 50-100% higher than what you can get from your local dealer...or the medical marijuana shops.
 

Red Squirrel

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I'd say it's working pretty well. It has created a new business and competition, without people getting killed or tortured in the process. I'm sure there will always be the underground operations that want to do it illegally but I'm sure it has cut down a lot on that. It's not the drugs that are the problem, it's the violence that surrounds it. By making it legal it cuts a lot of that out.

Go visit the Mexican drug cartels where it's not legal, and tell me how well that's working out.

Don't mind the guy in the back being skinned alive, he's a screamer.


The taxing seems a little ridiculous though. 57 THOUSAND? I don't even make that (after bills) in a year. I can't imagine having to pay such a huge bill on top of all the other bills. No wonder some of these places are going bankrupt. It has nothing to do with weed, it's government greed... as usual.
 
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TreVader

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Would weed grow like week if you planted it in your garden?

I assume you mean "weak", and not "week", as weed generally takes 8-12 weeks to bud. Outdoors, it always buds in the fall. So yeah you can plant it in your garden and it will grow. As long as it doesn't snow where you live, you should be ok. Frost is OK.


When grown outdoors a good strain will lose some of its potency. You will never see >25% THC outdoors, the conditions just don't exist in nature to grow it like that. It will still retain the majority of it's potency as long as it was grown in good sun and was watered regularly and sprayed.
 

Carson Dyle

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Let's not overstate the issue here - tax data up through Nov. (Dec data is not yet available) shows the state brought in $67M, the optimistic projections for first year revenue was $100M for the year. If Dec. performance is about average for the year, we'll see about 72% of that. This hardly seems like terrible failure.

Not a disaster, but 28% is significantly short of the mark.

Police don't want to investigate reports of people doing legal things? How terrible.

They're not bothering with the small grows which may or may not be legal. Which makes it relatively safe to have ten or twelve plants instead of six.

And of those home grows that are legal, a very large amount of the weed being grown in closets and basements is being sold on the black market. I know one local grower who no longer has grow houses. Instead, he has a network of friends growing growing for him, many of whom don't smoke at all. They have little to fear, since they (mostly) comply with the limits for growing at home.

And it seems to be untrue, the Denver police unit tasked with controlling illegal weed growing/selling increased the amount seized this year by almost 10x, I can't imagine they did that by not investigating legitimate reports of illegal growing and selling. Of course the fact that part of the taxes generated by recreational sales are dedicated to funding police depts. to enforce the new laws might have something to do with that.

That has everything to do with it. The state wants to protect its tax base. They're rooting out the larger grows. It also says a lot about the size of the black market in this age of legalization if so many large illegal grows are being busted.
 

Paladin3

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Legalizing pot should never have been about making money. The biggest benefit of legalizing pot is keeping people out of jail for something as silly as smoking weed.

Sooooo much this. Idiots complaining because they thought they'd get rich selling legal pot, but now the market is starting to correct itself. Does opening a liquor store mean you will get rich quickly? No. People shouldn't expect growing pot to do so either. Running a business isn't as easy or as profitable as some people think.

The real benefit is that we don't have to pay the financial and cultural price of jailing people for smoking weed.
 
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John Connor

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I assume you mean "weak", and not "week", as weed generally takes 8-12 weeks to bud. Outdoors, it always buds in the fall. So yeah you can plant it in your garden and it will grow. As long as it doesn't snow where you live, you should be ok. Frost is OK.


When grown outdoors a good strain will lose some of its potency. You will never see >25% THC outdoors, the conditions just don't exist in nature to grow it like that. It will still retain the majority of it's potency as long as it was grown in good sun and was watered regularly and sprayed.


In Colorado I heard it's stronger here because of reduced oxygen from the high climate.
 

TreVader

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In Colorado I heard it's stronger here because of reduced oxygen from the high climate.


Yeah, that's BS. In general Colorado is still inferior to CA for quality.


Lower oxygen content does not increase THC production, and stunts the plants growth. Why do you think there is a "tree line" at ~8,000 ft above which plants don't grow? If lower oxygen was better, the top of Everest would be a rainforest.


Trust me on this. I actually worked in this industry for a good while.
 
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