Lemon Computers?

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: goku2100
You are clearly an asshole, you were not trying to help me genuinely and you would assume nothing. F-you. I will talk about this when I get more time but for now, it's time for me to go to work.

/me quietly unfolds lawn chair.

Yeah, it was kind of fun while it lasted, wasn't it. :laugh:

 

[imported_goku]

Yes, everything I say is bullsh!t because YOU have never done it before. So I guess by your thinking,

going into space doesn't ACTUALLY work, glass can't be made but it's acutally purchased from the devil in

the hairy pits of cheese, this also applies to all devices you have never built from scatch too. Anyways I

dont know HOW you can say that everything I said is BS because you clearly didn't know you could install

a standard motherboard in a dell case until I showed you the website. YOu have proved nothing, you have

not informed me of anything, you are clearly useless, you will not admit that it's entirely possible to install

a standard mobo in a XPS R,T,4200 etc. series relatively easily, you won't admit that the partition on Dell

HDDs prevent it from being installed in other systems unless it's removed, you won't admit that dell has

atleast a few lemons out there, you wont admit that ATLEAST the two motherboards (XPS R450mobo and

T850MOBO) have a very large performance gap with the R450 board rating higher, despite the T850

board is newer. You won't admit that the D333 obviously has some motherboard issues, you continue to

say that it's simply drivers or some sh!t but you clearly know and wont admit that no system on the planet

with a pentium II 333MHZ processor should take 1 hour to startup and load WIN98, when Windows 98

should be able to run fine on a 486. You won't admit that matter how much you have screwed up your

install of Windows 98, it should NEVER take 1 hour to boot up into Windows 98. You act like a sales rep

who is in denial about the state of the dell motherboards I have worked with, believing that it's clearly the

user's fault and the motherboards are functioning at a normal speed. You clearly don't know sh!t about

anything because if you DID know anything, you would have realized that my extensive testing has

PROVED atleast these boards are bad. Please Fsck off.

And if anyone is doing the bullsh!t, eating the bull sh!t or bull sh!tting, its you. Ass....

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: goku2100

... but you clearly know and wont admit that no system on the planet

with a pentium II 333MHZ processor should take 1 hour to startup and load WIN98, when Windows 98

should be able to run fine on a 486. You won't admit that matter how much you have screwed up your

install of Windows 98, it should NEVER take 1 hour to boot up into Windows 98.

A correct assumption. However, it's not the motherboard.

 

[imported_goku]

Ok then what DO you think is causing it to take 1 hour to boot? Here are the specs: D333 (333MHZ Penitum II) ATA 133 Round Cables, ATA 133 60GB Maxtor Drive 8MB Cache, PC 100 CL2 128MB cruical (2 sticks), (no other peripherals) ATI Rage Pro AGP 2x video card. (Remember this is to test out the D333). No one ever blames the motherboard for poor performance I mean I have a 266 PII HP Kyak system with a 5GB IBM HDD ATA/33 , 32MB (2 sticks) unknown brand ram that starts up in about 2 minutes (Windows 98 as well). Also I have a Vaio PCV 240 (Pentium II 300MHZ) with 64MB of ram (Unknown brand) 6GB HDD (unknown Specs of drive or brand) ATA/33 with All In Wonder Rage Pro card and starts up into Windows 98 in about 2 minutes as well. Remember I acutally took the D333's processor and installed it into the PCV 240 and the system ran Slightly faster (since it was only 33MHz improvement) just to make sure it's not a bad processor. Agian if you have a bad motherboard, despite how good of components surrounding it, you know it's going to suck at performance.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Originally posted by: Buz2b
I'd like to be a bit of a devil's advocate here but not because I want to defend Dell; that's the last thing I would do. HOWEVER you said, "I upgraded my XPS R450 system to a new motherboard combination I had the old board lying around so I install the old board in the XPS T850 and the system starts up like 30%-40% faster! ".
Well, I know for a fact that you cannot install any retail MB into a Dell system. Is that what you are saying you did with your old XPS R450?? It just does not fit as they do not use the same PS power connectors and the PCI slots and other ports do not line up on standard cases correctly. So, perhaps you misspoke and meant to say that you bought a new case, MB and PS and then installed the other Dell parts to it.
Also Dell is very "good" about limiting the upgrade paths on their systems. It is very suspsect that a MB from an XPS R450 system would even work in an XPS T850 system; not to mention the MB driver problems involved. Did you perhaps mean something other than what it sounded like?
And lastly, I think it would be fairly obvious that ANY system that needs "20-30 minutes" just to load Win98 has a whole lot of issues that may or may not related to the hardware. That is simply nuts! What about a simple reload of Windows? That would be the first place you should go. Then, if things still work as slow as before, start with the hardware isolation process. I seriously doubt that we are talking about any kind of "lemons" here. I've owned a couple of Dells before and have worked on/troubleshooted/fixed many others in the course of my previous business (now retired). Hell no, they are not the best systems. Neither are they a POS that takes 30 minutes to load Win98. Another question I would have is how long have they had this problem? I'd be willing to bet that they did not do this when first purchased.
Why don't you give your mom a break and do a format/reload Windows for her. I'd be willing to be that things go well from there. Also, all Dell systems have a ghost image of the initial OS install on a hidden partition of the HD. You might even want to start there and let the system load back up to that original image of the system. That would also probably cure your problem.

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W/O exception. I have never come across any top of the line OEM computer that is faster than my mid-range systems in stock form other than what might need raw CPU power. But that problem is easily remidied with my 20-60 % OC's .
But yeah, I can never figure it out. Even if I regedit all programs from starting up and disable soooooo many services in XP (Autoexec.bat and System.ini in the 9x series), they are still slow... even on a fresh install.
How I came to building my own computers is when a scrounged the parts to build a P166MMx from a pile of IBM's that a ISP was liquidating ( which we later put outta business down the road by offering better performance, even tho we costed more :evil: ) But getting back on track I could not find all the proper drivers to run 98 on from the parts. So I ordered at the time, three top of the line computers. All PII 450MHz 1 week after their debute. One from IBM, one from HP, and one from Dell. I tried all three to get some insite to sell customers new computers along with a internet package to people who had 'cheezy' computers (Some were still running Windows 3.11 :Q).
Well, they all sucked and were slow. I was pulling my hair out, why is it these $2300 computers run slower than my 166MMx without the proper drivers. So I set out to build my first computer from scratch... well minus the CPU from the HP system as that was the slowest of the three, (Dell in middle, while the IBM had a clear and uncontested performace andvantage over the other two, it was the one I kept)
So I bought my Diamond Viper V770, 128MB of CAS2 PC100 memory (can you say expensive back then :Q), a 7200 IBM hard drive (think it was a 12GXP) and a Abit BH6 motherboard. Let me tell you, that computer was the cats meow. The other 3 computers held absolutely nothing against it. Price/Preformance/Stability/Tweakability. There just was no comparison, so instead of selling OEM computers to people in my ISP business, I sold my own creations. To this day, I have not had a return because of hardware failure... though the ^%$$#% virus was a real pain.

Now if Dell cases will not take standard ATX/mATX motherboards, that is a new one on me. They sure did b4. Though there was that PSU problem, but adapters are all over the place. I will have to investigate this with my mothers Dell :roll::| to verify this. But from what I can tell her 2400 P4 based computer off hand looks like a standard mATX motherboard, made by Intel.

Well enough of my last 5 year story, my father and I sold the ISP business. Now computers for me are what they are meant to be. Just a little fun and a little work. My life no longer orbits them.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Ahh and yes, 30 minutes to load windows........ sounds like a vius to me. not a hardware issue.

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Just though of one last thing. How much memery do you have in those things? Older computer loved to check memory during boot. Sometimes they loop three times b4 they get to windows startup. If it is on 'thorough' It will check the memory bit by bit. If you have more than 128MB (well 256 or higher more likely) it will take that long to load. As to your slow startup times for programs, well I still think it sounds like a virus is in there.

 

[Buz2b]

You really do need to work on your language, your facts and your presentation. The facts are presented enough above in this thread to confirm what I said. Others reading it will see that and I'm not worried in the least.
Your fun and games posting with double spacing is again proving your idiocy. Get real or get mature; one or the other.

Ok, I just had one more urge to own you so I will do so before deciding you don?t deserve anyone?s attention. Here?s just the highlight of the ?Jokes? you posted:

This is the first ?Joke? you mention. QUOTE ?I assume the systems started to degrade in performance about 2-3 years after purchased (I'm not sure because their not mine).?

How can you say that after 2-3 years, you have finally decided you have a ?Lemon?? Not only that, this system was NOT YOURS (even though you used ?their? instead of ?they?re?)

Nest you say, QUOTE ?I installed the motherboard in the XPS T850 system it fits perfectly fine and worked perfectly fine because the systems are litterally identical except the fact the chipset on the newer motherboard supports PIII processors officially.?

Chipset drivers HAVE TO BE INSTALLED in order to do any sort of troubleshooting. That is basic ?System Troubleshooting 101? that any wannabe techy knows. You obviously do not.

Then you say that, QUOTE ?I hope this encourages people to save a buck or two on a case an instead use the components that came with thier dells and just get a new mobo.?. Well great, in fact this ?upgrade? would require them to get a new MB, and a new Power Supply; not just a new MB. If they try to install a new retail MB with a Dell PS, it would be a disaster. Yes, you can rewire the Dell PS but that would be a joke and dangerous at best.

Then you mention this, QUOTE ?One more note: About popping the old MB into the newer dell system (XPS R450 sysem board into XPS T850). Yes it was very simple, so simple I didnt even have to reactivate windows! All you had to do was remove the power connectors, IDE cables, FDD cables, Power cable (lumped together thing), PCI devices etc, then remove the board and switch, and do the exact process in reverse. I booted to windows XP (Yes I was using XP but I have done this exact thing with a 98 system and was just as easy) Windows XP Detected all the hardware beautifully, ran the Si-Soft sandra benchmark and improved my score by 90%. This is simply a case of I guess I should say "Lemon MOBOS" but I want to say PCs because other components (not all) have died and it's pretty disappointing to see this.?
This was one of your biggest jokes to present. First, you would not have to ?re-activate? windows unless you reinstall it. That?s an unchallengeable fact. Second, if you install a HDD from one system into another, with different MB?s, you will have some very serious chipset driver problems; Dell or not. The systems you listed would be very far apart and need different chipset drivers not available in the standard XP list of drivers. In addition, saying that you have ?done this exact thing with a 98 system and was just as easy?, is a bold faced lie as 98 did not have the same kind of driver database and/or ?quick install? drivers like XP does.
Oh and by the way, don?t think that people here are stupid. You backtracked and re-edited your posts to cover your scrawny ass. Your post of 9/23 at 10:39 AM was edited again at 1:14 AM today. Not doubt to cover you?re a$$ as it was done AFTER your last post of 1:12 AM. Gee, does that look a bit suspicious? Get a grip guy.

Better yet, take a hike. As you can see, no one is posting to your thread except those of us that expose your idiocy and BS. You can do all the name calling you want but all that does is further expose your lack of knowledge, maturity and ability to post a comprehensive thread. Have at it fool but if I were you, I'd slink away slowly into the night.

Now watch, he'll post that he doesn't feel the need to post here any more since I am "obviously" picking on him and taking his posts out of context (which I've shown is not true). He'll now want to "take his toys and go home". LOL!!!


EDIT: I almost forgot to mention, the "hidden partiton" process you NEVER HEAR OF is called "ZZ Top". Just go to the DellTalk Forum and do a search on this and you will see that it was EXACTLY as I said it was. Oops, got you again! Actually I also found out that they are doing some additional "hidden partition" for the System Suspend operations on the newer systems. Again, something you should have been aware of easily. But then, you weren't, were you?!?!

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: goku2100
Ok then what DO you think is causing it to take 1 hour to boot? Here are the specs: D333 (333MHZ Penitum II) ATA 133 Round Cables, ATA 133 60GB Maxtor Drive 8MB Cache, PC 100 CL2 128MB cruical (2 sticks), (no other peripherals) ATI Rage Pro AGP 2x video card. (Remember this is to test out the D333). No one ever blames the motherboard for poor performance I mean I have a 266 PII HP Kyak system with a 5GB IBM HDD ATA/33 , 32MB (2 sticks) unknown brand ram that starts up in about 2 minutes (Windows 98 as well). Also I have a Vaio PCV 240 (Pentium II 300MHZ) with 64MB of ram (Unknown brand) 6GB HDD (unknown Specs of drive or brand) ATA/33 with All In Wonder Rage Pro card and starts up into Windows 98 in about 2 minutes as well. Remember I acutally took the D333's processor and installed it into the PCV 240 and the system ran Slightly faster (since it was only 33MHz improvement) just to make sure it's not a bad processor. Agian if you have a bad motherboard, despite how good of components surrounding it, you know it's going to suck at performance.

Again posting CYA specs after the fact. This is a joke. I'll leave you to your idiocy here and to any others that may in good faith try to assist. :laugh:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

N/M

 

[imported_goku]

You know Buz2b I find it funny that you think all I have done is a lie because you know what, I have! By me doing this on my own, doing the exact steps I just posted not only proves your full of sh!t but you dont know squat about anything!

You say: Q]Chipset drivers HAVE TO BE INSTALLED in order to do any sort of troubleshooting. That is basic ?System Troubleshooting 101? that any wannabe techy knows. You obviously do not.[/quote]
after quoting me saying: "I installed the motherboard in the XPS T850 system it fits perfectly fine and worked perfectly fine because the systems are litterally identical except the fact the chipset on the newer motherboard supports PIII processors officially.?

For one thing I DID install it into Windows XP with out installing any chipset drivers and it did work MUCH BETTER! You are seriously full of sh!t and have NOT done this but you are assuming that this would not be possible. Had I recorded this damn thing I film you STILL would probably b!tch becuase your a stubborn asshole who wont give up and wont admit that he's wrong. Everything I have posted is the absolute truth, whether you believe it or not is up to you.

Here are some more of your ramblings:

That?s an unchallengeable fact. Second, if you install a HDD from one system into another, with different MB?s, you will have some very serious chipset driver problems; Dell or not. The systems you listed would be very far apart and need different chipset drivers not available in the standard XP list of drivers. In addition, saying that you have ?done this exact thing with a 98 system and was just as easy?, is a bold faced lie as 98 did not have the same kind of driver database and/or ?quick install? drivers like XP does.

about what I said:

About popping the old MB into the newer dell system (XPS R450 sysem board into XPS T850). Yes it was very simple, so simple I didnt even have to reactivate windows! All you had to do was remove the power connectors, IDE cables, FDD cables, Power cable (lumped together thing), PCI devices etc, then remove the board and switch, and do the exact process in reverse. I booted to windows XP (Yes I was using XP but I have done this exact thing with a 98 system and was just as easy) Windows XP Detected all the hardware beautifully, ran the Si-Soft sandra benchmark and improved my score by 90%. This is simply a case of I guess I should say "Lemon MOBOS" but I want to say PCs because other components (not all) have died and it's pretty disappointing to see this.?

Ok, lets see hum you say that if I install a HDD from one system into another with different MB you will have some VERY serious chipset driver problems. Hum, I guess you must have VERY little computer experience because if you DID have extensive experience like I have, you wouldn't be making bold faced lies like that. For one thing YOU can do this, you can do this with systems with completely different hardware, its fairly easy with XP though XP will force you to reactivate if too much hardware is changed. With operating systems like Windows 98, its just as easy plus no activation, if you knew anything you would also know that Windows DETECTS new hardware so if you install a new motherboard then what will happen smartass? Hum? Will windows simply not work because it doesnt have the concept of Plug and Play like 95? NO! It will just install NEW drivers for the newly added hardware dumbass! There wont be Chipset driver issues, all windows does is install the drivers for the new hardware. There are no DRIVERS windows needs for the motherboard, yes drivers do improve efficiency but windows will do fine with what in the driver database it has. The D333 wasn't slow because of lack of drivers, it was slow because the motherboard was slow. I know this system was slow either way because you have to install windows with out the intel drivers and if its slow then and slow after the intel drivers, then it's simply the motherboard.

Oh and by the way, don?t think that people here are stupid. You backtracked and re-edited your posts to cover your scrawny ass. Your post of 9/23 at 10:39 AM was edited again at 1:14 AM today. Not doubt to cover you?re a$$ as it was done AFTER your last post of 1:12 AM. Gee, does that look a bit suspicious? Get a grip guy

Where in the fsck do you get off saying that I am "backtracking and rediting my posts to cover my ass". WTF, if anyone has to hide anything its you! I'm not worried about what I say because I know what I say can actually be proven unlike yours which has no basis. You yak on and on about how everything is impossible until I am able to prove each and every time that YOUR WRONG and I AM RIGHT! You first made the bull sh!t post earlier about how you can stick a standard motherboard in a dell system because of stuff like the PCI slots wont align and blah blah blah blah blah. I told you that they are for the most part standard ATX cases, aside with the PSU and Power connectors which can easily be fixed (new PSU and splitting the power cables) and you refused to believe me until I showed you the site. I showed you the site, then you made some other dumbass remark about how it still wouldnt work and then you read the site some more and take back what you said.

You accuse others of doing "suspicious things" and yet your more likely TO be doing these things because your the one THINKING OF THEM. You also accuse me of trying to do things because I think the people on ATOT are stupid but in acutality YOUR the one doing these things. You quote me correctly and then post remarks about me saying/insinuating things when in acutality I didnt even say it and its not even in the quote! You just assume that people will stick with your side and not realize that you have nothing to attack me on except your incoherent ramblings about things you *think I said when I never EVER said them. And when I DO CORRECT you or my self/attempt to make what I said EVEN CLEARER, you still ramble on and on about it even though I made it extremely clear on that point. I dont want to bother to quote anymore past 3 posts because its to lengthy to read but if by all means anyone here on ATOT wants to find what I am talking about and either disagree or agree then please feel free to do so. Most people when proven wrong usually GIVE UP and dont post anymore BUT YOU, your a very different case in which you argue about something when it wasn't ever said in the firstplace. You dont assume anything but at the same time you assume things just to SWAY your side! I mean what kind of fscking person are you!? Please just fsck off and know when to quit and admit that for once in your miserable life that your wrong.:roll:

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: goku2100

Ok, lets see hum you say that if I install a HDD from one system into another with different MB you will have some VERY serious chipset driver problems. Hum, I guess you must have VERY little computer experience because if you DID have extensive experience like I have, you wouldn't be making bold faced lies like that. For one thing YOU can do this, you can do this with systems with completely different hardware, its fairly easy with XP though XP will force you to reactivate if too much hardware is changed. With operating systems like Windows 98, its just as easy plus no activation, if you knew anything you would also know that Windows DETECTS new hardware so if you install a new motherboard then what will happen smartass? Hum? Will windows simply not work because it doesnt have the concept of Plug and Play like 95? NO! It will just install NEW drivers for the newly added hardware dumbass! There wont be Chipset driver issues, all windows does is install the drivers for the new hardware. There are no DRIVERS windows needs for the motherboard, yes drivers do improve efficiency but windows will do fine with what in the driver database it has. The D333 wasn't slow because of lack of drivers, it was slow because the motherboard was slow. I know this system was slow either way because you have to install windows with out the intel drivers and if its slow then and slow after the intel drivers, then it's simply the motherboard.

You couldn't be more wrong here- go and have a search in the OS forum about people not being able to boot Windows XP after changing the motherboard. Win98 copes with this a lot better, but 2000 & XP will display "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_VOLUME" BSOD's and then restart. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

[Edit] Oh, and Windows 98 needs drivers for motherboards. Period. No questions asked. XP has basic WHQL drivers, but they're no substitute for drivers direct from the manufacturer.

Lastly, you're making an ass of yourself here. I suggest you go somewhere else and cool off before returning to post here. Or preferably, not at all.

 

[imported_goku]

but 2000 & XP will display "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_VOLUME" BSOD's and then restart. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

Look I know what your talking about when you get that error, I have gotten it when trying to transfer a HDD with Windows XP operating system from the DELL XPS 450 SYSTEM (Includes Original board) to a 8200 board BUT in the case of the XPS R450 and the T850, I never got that error and was very surprised. But when I booted into windows it said "detecting new hardware" and all that jaz so I guess this worked out because the boards are VERY similar.

Oh, and Windows 98 needs drivers for motherboards. Period. No questions asked. XP has basic WHQL drivers, but they're no substitute for drivers direct from the manufacturer.

Not true because apparently Windows 98 has enough drivers (could be generic, I dunno) to run the XPS R450 board with out a hitch. Back in 2000/99 I was running Windows 98 (clean install) and agian the performance wasn't hindered from me running it with out the intel drivers. I installed the Windows XP and for a while didnt install the motherboard drivers but thought I should so I downloaded them and it seems like but I'm not sure didn't improve performance. Oh BTW I forgot to mention that I was running Windows 98SE because I never bothered to buy Windows 98 and just opted for SE when it came out.

It seems like these posts are turning out to more of not me being inconsistant with information but the fact you guys think my posts are just entirely not true at all. Remember this isn't "speculation" to whether or not performance will be improved because I know one system is faster than the other, it's a fact! See I have already DONE these proceedures listed above and after doing them I should damn well have come to the conclusion that these systems are seriously flawed (XPS R400 *mothers, XPS T850, D333).

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: goku2100

Ok, lets see hum you say that if I install a HDD from one system into another with different MB you will have some VERY serious chipset driver problems. Hum, I guess you must have VERY little computer experience because if you DID have extensive experience like I have, you wouldn't be making bold faced lies like that. For one thing YOU can do this, you can do this with systems with completely different hardware, its fairly easy with XP though XP will force you to reactivate if too much hardware is changed. With operating systems like Windows 98, its just as easy plus no activation, if you knew anything you would also know that Windows DETECTS new hardware so if you install a new motherboard then what will happen smartass? Hum? Will windows simply not work because it doesnt have the concept of Plug and Play like 95? NO! It will just install NEW drivers for the newly added hardware dumbass! There wont be Chipset driver issues, all windows does is install the drivers for the new hardware. There are no DRIVERS windows needs for the motherboard, yes drivers do improve efficiency but windows will do fine with what in the driver database it has. The D333 wasn't slow because of lack of drivers, it was slow because the motherboard was slow. I know this system was slow either way because you have to install windows with out the intel drivers and if its slow then and slow after the intel drivers, then it's simply the motherboard.

You couldn't be more wrong here- go and have a search in the OS forum about people not being able to boot Windows XP after changing the motherboard. Win98 copes with this a lot better, but 2000 & XP will display "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_VOLUME" BSOD's and then restart. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

[Edit] Oh, and Windows 98 needs drivers for motherboards. Period. No questions asked. XP has basic WHQL drivers, but they're no substitute for drivers direct from the manufacturer.

Lastly, you're making an ass of yourself here. I suggest you go somewhere else and cool off before returning to post here. Or preferably, not at all.

Yeah, he keeps re-posting/whining/screaming/cya editing the same crap every time. Obviously immature with some anger management problems. Definitely full of BS for the most part and questionable at best on the remainder. :laugh:
Time to leave him in his room for a time-out. It's obvious he needs the time to cool off and get a grip.

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: Buz2b

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: goku2100

Ok, lets see hum you say that if I install a HDD from one system into another with different MB you will have some VERY serious chipset driver problems. Hum, I guess you must have VERY little computer experience because if you DID have extensive experience like I have, you wouldn't be making bold faced lies like that. For one thing YOU can do this, you can do this with systems with completely different hardware, its fairly easy with XP though XP will force you to reactivate if too much hardware is changed. With operating systems like Windows 98, its just as easy plus no activation, if you knew anything you would also know that Windows DETECTS new hardware so if you install a new motherboard then what will happen smartass? Hum? Will windows simply not work because it doesnt have the concept of Plug and Play like 95? NO! It will just install NEW drivers for the newly added hardware dumbass! There wont be Chipset driver issues, all windows does is install the drivers for the new hardware. There are no DRIVERS windows needs for the motherboard, yes drivers do improve efficiency but windows will do fine with what in the driver database it has. The D333 wasn't slow because of lack of drivers, it was slow because the motherboard was slow. I know this system was slow either way because you have to install windows with out the intel drivers and if its slow then and slow after the intel drivers, then it's simply the motherboard.

You couldn't be more wrong here- go and have a search in the OS forum about people not being able to boot Windows XP after changing the motherboard. Win98 copes with this a lot better, but 2000 & XP will display "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_VOLUME" BSOD's and then restart. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

[Edit] Oh, and Windows 98 needs drivers for motherboards. Period. No questions asked. XP has basic WHQL drivers, but they're no substitute for drivers direct from the manufacturer.

Lastly, you're making an ass of yourself here. I suggest you go somewhere else and cool off before returning to post here. Or preferably, not at all.

Yeah, he keeps re-posting/whining/screaming/cya editing the same crap every time. Obviously immature with some anger management problems. Definitely full of BS for the most part and questionable at best on the remainder. :laugh:
Time to leave him in his room for a time-out. It's obvious he needs the time to cool off and get a grip.

Quite. This nonsense about it taking an hour to boot up - if there's nothing defective in the PC, that's just a vastly overblown figure.

 

[imported_goku]

I swear to god it takes an hour to boot up, this discussion is clearly just to attack me. Look I have told you guys everything I have done to prove that it is simply the motherboard, you continue to believe that I have some flaw in my troubleshooting process but I have been able to back my self up unlike you guys who havent done SQUAT. Its all talk but no work, I mean you guys type away thinking your so smart and you have the obvious answer to everything while I bust my ass testing these things out and then you have the nerve to question my observation on the issue! Agian Buz2b your playing on the fact you think everyone here at ATOT is a retard who can't read! And I quote:

Yeah, he keeps re-posting/whining/screaming/cya editing the same crap every time

What have I edited in my recent posts? Nothing, it does not say I have edited so why make comments like that?! You know it and I know it that when you quote some one on something and then later the OP changes his post, it's still going to be the same on YOUR post so why make up BS about me "trying to cover my tracks" when it clear who it really is. I don't have anger management problems, I just hate ignorant ass people. Now I dont hate ignorant people who day by day try to "enlighten" them selves but you, no no no you wouldnt want to learn anything because thats to difficult for you now is it. If you wanted to "prove me wrong" then you would have gotten off you lazy ass and proved it but you didn't because it's so much easier to talk out of your gaping asshole you call your face, spewing sh!t no one wants to hear because thats all you got to say. Now you might say "Oh I dont have that equipment" but then agian I thought you have worked on WAYYY more computers than I have so it's either, "I dont have those particular models" or "I do but I'm too big of a b!tch to admit that I'm wrong".

Now dopefiend to answer you question:

This nonsense about it taking an hour to boot up - if there's nothing defective in the PC, that's just a vastly overblown figure.

*Agreed I too think that that would be overblown figure if theres nothing wrong but the problem is not only is there something wrong, but I dont know what! The capacitors on the motherboard look fine, I'm running with relatively new components (1yr old), the original components before they died, worked fine in other computers and performance wasn't reduced

Oh BTW Buz2B, going to compusa and trying out the computers DOESNT count as "worked" with computers. I have officially given up double spacing my content because your a smuck who still cant read despite my desperate attempt to make it easier for you, you A. Refuse to Re-read my posts B. Are an Incompetent Moron C. Can't read (Goes back to B aswell) or D. You need a pair of glasses.

Edit: I forgot the D in god, if I don't emphasize my edits Buz2B will continue his conspiracy theories about me.

 

[imported_Phil]

BTW, your sig is one of the most terrible things I have ever seen.

That is all.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: goku2100
I swear to god it takes an hour to boot up, this discussion is clearly just to attack me. Look I have told you guys everything I have done to prove that it is simply the motherboard, you continue to believe that I have some flaw in my troubleshooting process but I have been able to back my self up unlike you guys who havent done SQUAT. Its all talk but no work, I mean you guys type away thinking your so smart and you have the obvious answer to everything while I bust my ass testing these things out and then you have the nerve to question my observation on the issue! Agian Buz2b your playing on the fact you think everyone here at ATOT is a retard who can't read!

Ok, we'll have a bit more fun here at your expense. Here's your problem jerkbait, you posted a question. I answered with observations and suggestions. The observations were made, in part because of items you left UNEXPLAINED in your first post (I'm talking about installing a retail board in a Dell system). Since I called you on those unexplained issues, you've taken to attack upon foul mouthed attack. All the while saying that the suggestions would not work. Tell me, has ANYTHING you've tried actually worked?? NO!! I have attacked back with the truth and called you on the BS. The irony of this is that you have let your own damned thread deteriorate into you trying to cover your obviously inexperienced ass. Grow up, learn some other forms of the english language besides the colorful variety and get your stories straight before you post a new thread.

Just for some more fun, let's catch you on something else.

Agian Buz2b your playing on the fact you think everyone here at ATOT is a retard who can't read!

Well, well, well! So THAT'S why you are posting such crap. You think you are in ATOT. Here's a clue guy, this is the MOTHERBOARDS forum. Just to make it clear for anyone else (because I know you aren't paying attention), what I said was:

Otherwise, go play in the OT forum. There's lots of threads there that will let you practice your language and BS. (No offense to all OT posters because most of them are much better behaved AND INFORMED than you)

Oops! Guess you got caught again there. Can you say, "Oops! I screwed up!!"

Look, this is now getting all too boring. If you really want help on this forum (Again, this is the MOTHERBOARD forum), you should take the time to rethink, recompose and include all true facts in your "problem". Leave out the BS, leave out the accusations and leave out the language. You might actually learn something as there are a great number of knowledgable people here who (gee, you think?) seem to be avoiding this thread, even though it is getting bumped frequently. If you want theirs and my help, you need to change things and soon! Do yourself another favor and reread your first post and my response to it. Tell me there where I was at any time disrespectfull. I gave you the obvious "out" by saying perhaps you had misspoken (gee, you think that was an invitation?).
You brought this on to yourself by both your BS and disrespectful attitude and language that prompted our little "battle" of words. The irony of that is your little "Lemon" thread was taken off point, if it had one to begin with. Perhaps if you had listened to the suggestions given in this thread you wouldn't have to still be crying Lemon; you'd have had your mom's machine fixed and have been her "hero".
I simply can't resist one last point here. You never addressed your lack of knowledge of the "ZZ Top" hidden partition. Dell may have changed the name of it by now but it is still an ongoing technique used by Dell; even on their currently shipped systems. That's a FACT that anyone having any serious experience with a Dell system should have known. You probably could have solved your problem using it. Your only excuse for not considering it or the Dell restore disks is that Dell loads more BS on startup which slows things down. Actually I think you said that

I dont believe in restore discs for dell systems because dells start up much slower with thier default crap then a fresh install of windows (I think applies to all).

How stupid is that?? Hell, it can't get any slower than 30 minutes to an hour for a system to load Windows for God's sake!!!?? Let me ask you an obvious question: Do you think that the ORIGINAL load of the OS with all the Dell BS startup software took, "30 minutes to an hour " to start??? Not hardly or that sucker would have been sent back ASAP. Perhaps your "solution" of loading the OS and not having the correct chipset or other drivers is the PROBLEM, not the solution. The fact that you claim you had them was only after it was mentioned that this would be a problem.
Facts speak louder than words. Keep this up and this thread will either be locked or moved to OT because that is perhaps where it should have started, given your attitude and responses.
It's your choice from here. Do you want help? Repost with all the facts and leave out the BS. Why not try something like, "Why is this system taking 30 minutes to an hour to load the OS?" Then go through EVERY FRICKEN DETAIL that you have done to troubleshoot the problem. Most of all, be HONEST, even if you have to humble yourself. I bet you'd find a whole lot of folks that would offer suggetions. But hey, if you don't want the help you can keep this up. So far you have denied each suggestion given to you in this thread; mine included. That would make one ask the question, "Did he want help in the first place or was he simply trying to call something he couldn't solve, a Lemon?" Again, it's your call; not mine.

 

[Buz2b]

Just to add to the "enlightened resume" of the OP, I submit the following quote:

Originally posted by: goku2100
Since I like to argue, I have decided to fart. I have been farting lately because I have a new found love of bean burritos and they seems to create gasses in me and now want to be let free!

On that particular "note of wisdom" (although a humorous one) I close.

 

[imported_goku]

When I first read your recent post, I typed up a very long and detailed response to why your a moron who has difficulty reading, but because I typed for so long, my dialup connection disconnected so when I posted it went to a blank screen. I hit the backspace and all was gone, I dont want to bother anymore with this so I write my last reply and I have to say this: You can't read, your a dumbass, I have already told you that I have used it with chipset drivers but nothing is improved, I proved you wrong when I said I installed the mobo from an older system and put it into a newer one and with out drivers it got a better score but instead you decided to ramble on and on about nothing saying that what I did was impossible when its clearly possible because infact I did do it. Your an uneducated loser who needs to get his facts straight before he posts and now I close.

Edit: When I said "with out drivers" I meant that I used Windows' generic drivers/the available drivers in Windows XP, no chipset driver install, nothing.

A rough rendition of an old saying goes, it's better keep silent rather than open your mouth and prove you're an idiot. Yet another of your BS remarks,

Agian with the one liner "BS Remarks", keep going and you'll breach the 10,000 mark.

 

[Buz2b]

Originally posted by: goku2100
When I first read your recent post, I typed up a very long and detailed response to why your a moron who has difficulty reading, but because I typed for so long, my dialup connection disconnected so when I posted it went to a blank screen. I hit the backspace and all was gone, I dont want to bother anymore with this so I write my last reply and I have to say this: You can't read, your a dumbass, I have already told you that I have used it with chipset drivers but nothing is improved, I proved you wrong when I said I installed the mobo from an older system and put it into a newer one and with out drivers it got a better score but instead you decided to ramble on and on about nothing saying that what I did was impossible when its clearly possible because infact I did do it. Your an uneducated loser who needs to get his facts straight before he posts and now I close.

A rough rendition of an old saying goes, it's better keep silent rather than open your mouth and prove you're an idiot. Yet another of your BS remarks,

I installed the mobo from an older system and put it into a newer one and with out drivers it got a better score

is truely a marvel of idiocy and lack of education. You manage to do that with each post. So, I'll be nice to you (just this once now :Q ) and remove this from my list of subscribed threads. It's all too tedious dealing with the uninformed and uneducated.

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: goku2100
When I first read your recent post, I typed up a very long and detailed response to why your a moron who has difficulty reading, but because I typed for so long, my dialup connection disconnected so when I posted it went to a blank screen. I hit the backspace and all was gone, I dont want to bother anymore with this so I write my last reply and I have to say this: You can't read, your a dumbass, I have already told you that I have used it with chipset drivers but nothing is improved, I proved you wrong when I said I installed the mobo from an older system and put it into a newer one and with out drivers it got a better score but instead you decided to ramble on and on about nothing saying that what I did was impossible when its clearly possible because infact I did do it. Your an uneducated loser who needs to get his facts straight before he posts and now I close.

Edit: When I said "with out drivers" I meant that I used Windows' generic drivers/the available drivers in Windows XP, no chipset driver install, nothing.

A rough rendition of an old saying goes, it's better keep silent rather than open your mouth and prove you're an idiot. Yet another of your BS remarks,

Agian with the one liner "BS Remarks", keep going and you'll breach the 10,000 mark.

You know, you could have saved yourself and Buz2b a lot of time if you would just post some pictures of what you have done. It would have given credit to some of the things you have said, which might make some of the other things you said more believable. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed your posts, really, it was quite entertaining.

Also, you should be glad your dialup connection went south. You may have said something mean in the heat of the moment, which may not have been nice.