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LTC8K6

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It can be seen from the actual non-AVX high load that the dual-core frequency can only be stable at 15W 2.7Ghz (real frequency on the corona result). This performance is similar to that of the SKL processor with the corresponding frequency, Corona uses 12 minutes 22 seconds, corresponding to 7700HQ about 4 minutes 40 seconds
 
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Of course even if it is allowed to FCT to 3.1 it doesn't mean that all chips will be able to do that. Might be the kind of situation where performance varies wildly.

Also of note, it does have the McIVR.
 

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Also, as expected, it gets identified as (die shrunk) Skylake.

Cinebench R15 is not quite as bad as originally suggested, but at 139/306 I guess that should pretty much be as expected given the architecture and clock speed.

No overall Geekbench 4 score provided for some reason, just the subtests.

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Regarding all-core Turbo, I will point out that the m3-7Y32, i5-7Y54, and i7-7Y75 all go to 2.6 GHz when presented with a YES x 4 test to max out all 4 threads, according to Intel Power Gadget.
 

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In Cinebench R15 multi-thread, i3-8121U significantly underperforms identically clocked i5-7200U: 343 cb (Acer TDP up? I know my Acer is)
 

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Also, as expected, it gets identified as (die shrunk) Skylake.

Cinebench R15 is not quite as bad as originally suggested, but at 139/306 I guess that should pretty much be as expected given the architecture and clock speed.

No overall Geekbench 4 score provided for some reason, just the subtests.

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Regarding all-core Turbo, I will point out that the m3-7Y32, i5-7Y54, and i7-7Y75 all go to 2.6 GHz when presented with a YES x 4 test to max out all 4 threads, according to Intel Power Gadget.
Does the Corona bench frequency of 2.7 answer the question?

https://pic3.zhimg.com/80/v2-21d97466385347f1a4e297e55e101463_hd.jpg
 

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Does the Corona bench frequency of 2.7 answer the question?

https://pic3.zhimg.com/80/v2-21d97466385347f1a4e297e55e101463_hd.jpg
What I wondering is if the all-core turbo speed might occasionally be different in certain tests or certain conditions. I would have guessed the KBL-Y all-core turbos of the m3, i5, and i7 would be different, yet with YES x 4 they all read as 2.6 GHz. Their advertised single-core turbo speeds are 3.0, 3.2, and 3.6 GHz respectively, and in fact, Wikipedia states the i5 all-core turbo speed is 2.8 GHz, and the i7 all-core turbo speed is 3.4 GHz. (No listing for m3.) Yet they all go to 2.6 GHz in Intel Power Gadget in that test.
 

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In Cinebench R15 multi-thread, i3-8121U significantly underperforms identically clocked i5-7200U: 343 cb (Acer TDP up? I know my Acer is)
Well, the base of the 7200u is 300mhz higher, and presumably the all core turbo is as well.
 

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What I wondering is if the all-core turbo speed might occasionally be different in certain tests or certain conditions. I would have guessed the KBL-Y all-core turbos of the m3, i5, and i7 would be different, yet with YES x 4 they all read as 2.6 GHz.
I don't know much about Corona bench, but it was 12 minutes long, which suggests the chip can hold 2.7 indefinitely.
 

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7200u does Corona 1.3 in 10:43 vs 12:22 for the 8121u, so the 8121u all core turbo has got to be lower.

https://techreport.com/r.x/2017_11_21_Intel_s_Core_i5_8250U_CPU_reviewed/corona.png

Good find. I guess the so-called "IPC Improvements" never materialized on cannon lake. You can see here that Intel's 10nm actually reforms worse on a clock for clock basis, probably because it can't even maintain its rated turbo.


It is good for consumers that intel won't be able to sell any of this junk in the US. Hopefully they never sell a single borked 10nm CPU ever.
 

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Good find. I guess the so-called "IPC Improvements" never materialized on cannon lake. You can see here that Intel's 10nm actually reforms worse on a clock for clock basis, probably because it can't even maintain its rated turbo.


It is good for consumers that intel won't be able to sell any of this junk in the US. Hopefully they never sell a single borked 10nm CPU ever.
Nice try.

Anyway, the 7200U is an i5, while the 8121u is an i3.
 
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A better comparison is the i3 8130u, an 8th Gen KBL-U product. (2.2 / 3.4, 15w)

In CB15, it scores 140/338 in an Acer Aspire 3:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-3-A315-51-I3-8130U-SSD-FHD-Laptop-Review.302252.0.html

If the 8121u scores 139/306, IPC might be up somewhat (139 @ up to 3.2 GHz, vs. 140 @ up to 3.4 GHz) ... but multi-threaded performance is probably lower.

Geekbench (8121u): ~3800-4100 / ~7400-8000
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=8121u

Geehbench (8130u): ~3800-4300 / ~7800-8200
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=8130u&sort=multicore_score
 
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Eug

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Nice try.

Anyway, the 7200U is an i5, while the 8121u is an i3.
The i5-7200U is an appropriate comparison. It has max Turbo and all-core Turbo of 3.1 GHz. Base clock is 2.5 GHz. It has 3 MB cache.

i3-8121U has 3.2 GHz max Turbo and 3.1 GHz all-core Turbo (supposedly). Base clock is 2.2 GHz. It has 4 MB cache.

Both are 2-core, 4-thread. ie. This 8th gen i3 gets HyperThreading.
 

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The i5-7200U is an appropriate comparison. It has max Turbo and all-core Turbo of 3.1 GHz. Base clock is 2.5 GHz. It has 3 MB cache.

i3-8121U has 3.2 GHz max Turbo and 3.1 GHz all-core Turbo (supposedly). Base clock is 2.2 GHz. It has 4 MB cache.

Both are 2-core, 4-thread. ie. This 8th gen i3 gets HyperThreading.
Why does the 8121u drop to 2.7 when running the Corona benchmark, if it's all core turbo is 3.1?

We also haven't figured in what sort of power the low cost laptop is able to supply to the chip. And cooling may be inadequate.
 

LTC8K6

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If I already gave links with the score ranges, and scores are all over the place, why pick two results?

The 8121u there has much higher memory bandwidth.

And high mem latency...
Never saw your post, got the GB link from a discussion about the 8121u, AVX512, and SFFT.
 

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About the Cinebench R15 score of 343 cb (post #109), using i5-7200U: the base frequency of 2.7 GHz indicates TDP up (25 W). So, to be fair, not precisely comparing iso-power.

About the Lenovo laptop design: it is 23-mm thick, fairly thin, more so than for example, Acer E5-575G's 30 mm. Also, the images don't depict any vents on the left, right, or rear. So, cooling probably sucks, especially with a dedicated GPU.
 
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