Let’s have a rational talk about this Trump guys

glenn1

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I’m neither Trump guy nor conservative although some libertarian policy aims can align with conservatives (and sometimes liberals). Trump is basically the polar opposite side of most of my positions on issues.

As for my thoughts I think this is a sad state of affairs. While I realize it would be difficult to nigh impossible for a billionaire to divest themselves of all their businesses you are correct it’s a terrible precedent. I didn’t vote for him, thought he was the worst person in the race, but that’s a moot point now.
 

dank69

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I’m neither Trump guy nor conservative although some libertarian policy aims can align with conservatives (and sometimes liberals). Trump is basically the polar opposite side of most of my positions on issues.

As for my thoughts I think this is a sad state of affairs. While I realize it would be difficult to nigh impossible for a billionaire to divest themselves of all their businesses you are correct it’s a terrible precedent. I didn’t vote for him, thought he was the worst person in the race, but that’s a moot point now.
I think he is great and exactly what America deserves.
 

Jhhnn

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Meh. $148K isn't enough money for Trump or the taxpayers to even warrant discussion. It ain't shit.
 
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I’m neither Trump guy nor conservative although some libertarian policy aims can align with conservatives (and sometimes liberals). Trump is basically the polar opposite side of most of my positions on issues.

As for my thoughts I think this is a sad state of affairs. While I realize it would be difficult to nigh impossible for a billionaire to divest themselves of all their businesses you are correct it’s a terrible precedent. I didn’t vote for him, thought he was the worst person in the race, but that’s a moot point now.

Rational, thank you
 

Cozarkian

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I agree with the OP. Even if you like Trump as President he shouldn't be favoring his own businesses for travel (out traveling that much to Florida).

It also makes security more difficult. A President should stay at a variety of hotels in places where he travels to make it more difficult for nefarious people to predict where the President will be.
 
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I’ve been wondering since the beginning if there would be a breakdown of just how much taxpayer money funneled into his pockets. The number is good to be huge.

How much has the secret service and general White House Office spent? If he could he would be billing for himself to stay at his own properties.
 
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I agree with the OP. Even if you like Trump as President he shouldn't be favoring his own businesses for travel (out traveling that much to Florida).

It also makes security more difficult. A President should stay at a variety of hotels in places where he travels to make it more difficult for nefarious people to predict where the President will be.

no government personnel should be. Not a dime of public money should be going into his pocket. This should be completely prohibited.
 

justoh

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Wow. A whole 138k. And:

The CNN analysis found military personnel spent more than a third of the total amount, or $58,875.69, on lodging and food at what appears to be Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida. Most of the expenses generally align with the 25 days the President spent at his Florida club from February to April./QUOTE]
 

BonzaiDuck

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There is a difference between being ignorant and being stupid.

Einstein probably admitted his ignorance many times; he probably told himself he was stupid many times. But people who fail to admit their ignorance are stupid, and so they continue to be.

A group of MBAs just out of graduate school, sitting in a room watching "The Apprentice," would probably have concluded that Trump was a charlatan and a fraud.

During the Birther Frenzy, people with common sense and not in self-denial of subliminal racism or their past attitudes that were mildly racist would've concluded that Trump represented the lower underbelly of the American Character. I shouldn't get brownie points for saying that I made those conclusions immediately.

So I was stunned that even the losers of the popular vote gave him any votes at all. I had overestimated how far we'd come since the 1960s.

Then, there's Trump's talent. He hasn't any. I conclude that he never did the accounting and filing of his own taxes. Otherwise, he would not have been so stupid as to tell the public that he was a Great Genius for using Carry-Over Loss provisions of the tax-code to deduct his mammoth losses of one year over a twenty-year period. Every retiree with a rental-property who does his own taxes would know all about that.

And there's the "Bidnis-man" Myth. I agree with Warren Buffet that Trump's loss was deplorably bad business. If Buffet decided to visit the Blackjack tables at a casino, he would spend six months to practice card-counting, and risk being thrown out of the casino if discovered to use some crutch to keep track. Trump would get comped by the casino, because he has neither the knowledge, the discipline, or the memory to count cards. In other words, he's not a businessman: he's a Loser.

If he were running as an outsider, he would've realized that he would have to be a "politician" to win without Russian assistance, and he would've stopped campaigning in November 2016. He wouldn't have continued to slap the opposition in the face every other day since then.

The man is fundamentally incompetent, psychologically disordered, unprincipled for his lies and cavalier attitude toward facts. And he doesn't have any real or innovative ideas except these: He believes, because of his "socio-economic class," that he deserves to rule, and that nobody else can do it better. He believes that corruption in government and hob-nobbing with American adversaries is perfectly acceptable. He seems to think that being president is an easy job. And -- after all -- he believes that he doesn't need to provide leadership to those of us who didn't vote for him. He thinks it's just better to repetitively insinuate that we don't exist.

As to his education at a military academy in his youth, any kid of modest means might have turned up at a juvenile detention center, or done time in a gladiator academy like Chino Corrections. We don't know what behavioral problems prompted his parents to send him to military school, but even as he did, he learned absolutely no discipline, as it is abundantly obvious that he has none.

As Joe Biden suggested, someone should have taken him out behind the gym and beat him into six years of plastic surgery.

Most of all, though, Trump and the inner core of his support are all Bigots.

And . . . . Post Script. I like great movies. One of my favorite westerns was "Tom Horn" featuring Steve McQueen in the title role. There is a scene where Horn enters a Wyoming saloon on a cold day, when John L. Sullivan, the boxer, is visiting the town. Sullivan and others at the bar are discussing the American Indian leader, Geronimo, whom Horn had assisted in capturing, and Sullivan passed a derogatory remark about the Apache. Horn then turns around, and proclaims "Geronimo was so Great, you'd have to stand on my shoulders just to kiss his ass!"

Barack Obama was so great, Trump would need a firetruck ladder just to polish his shoes.

THE END
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Thank you, but I'm hoping someone else will also give it a good shot.

There must be about 20 paragraphs of additional observations I probably missed.

Most people are familiar with the CNN ads about truth-telling, apples and bananas. The latest one goes like this: "This is an apple . . . and this is an apple . . . and this is an apple. If you have enough of them, you have a case." "Case" is a logically-consistent pun, and the entire ad pushes the point about statistical evidence, as opposed to the anecdotal.

If you have enough accurate anecdotes, you have a complete portrait.
 

justoh

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As assumed, nobody cares about $140k of charges mostly incidental to Trump's location. What precedent could this set? Next president isn't likely to have hotels and restaurants to unjustly enrich (probably) himself with. Generally this wouldn't be a precedent anyway: corruption. It's at least, 30-40 years old as a thing. OP is a fanatic.
 

zinfamous

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He's rich, he doesn't need any more money. So, obviously, he would be the least corrupt president ever.
 
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