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[Concillian]

Here's my vote, move everything over to PCI-e to more quickly realize the manufcaturing efficiencies of making only one line of cards... and motherboard manufacturers can more quickly realize the manufacturing efficiencies of making only one line of motherboards, etc....

Yes we pay a price now, BUT if they make dual PCI-e/AGP cards & MOBOs for multiple generations, we pay the price for each of those generations.

 

[johnnqq]

no. just agp owners will. the newer cards aren't supposed to have a bridge (i dont think) for pci e. only agp

 

[PerfeK]

Why aren't you guys with old hardware complaining the Intel isn't releasing dual core chips on the 478? Why isn't AMD releasing the 4800+ and Fx55 on the s754?

Get a grip.

The 7800GTX will probably saturate the AGP8X bus anyways.

 

[KoolHonda]

Originally posted by: PerfeK
Why aren't you guys with old hardware complaining the Intel isn't releasing dual core chips on the 478? Why isn't AMD releasing the 4800+ and Fx55 on the s754?

Get a grip.

The 7800GTX will probably saturate the AGP8X bus anyways.

We will never know unless an AGP version comes out The last generation showed no real gains in PCIe over AGP, and I doubt NV would even make mention of an AGP version if it was so badly crippled by AGP. And I'm not complaining about new CPUs for my platform, as the ones I already have are perfectly fine. Until dual cores, 64 bit, PCIe, and yadda yadda show some serious real world performance gains, I don't feel the need to replace 50-75% of my rig just for a video card.

 

[xtknight]

The first (and only) e-mail I got back thus far, from eVGA, said what we already know. NVIDIA has no plans to make an AGP version of the 7800, and if there are any changes to that they would post it on their website. Note the e-mail I got back DID say 7800, not 7-series. So that still doesn't exclude the other possible 7-series (7600?). Maybe he/she meant all 7-series, though.

 

[KoolHonda]

Ahh, the plot thickens.

 

[Concillian]

Originally posted by: johnnqq
no. just agp owners will. the newer cards aren't supposed to have a bridge (i dont think) for pci e. only agp

But if they have to maintain two different manufacturing lines, one for PCI-e PCBs and one for AGP PCBs they will incur more manufacturing cost than just having one form factor. And in all likelihood, they will pass these costs on to the consumers of both form factors.

 

[imported_Rampage]

NO DAMNIT!

You slackers who insisted on going for 754, or NF3 939 should have waited, we all knew it was coming big time.. ATI AND Nvidia said so. You had MORE than fair warning considering the volatile PC market.. this change was one we ALL knew about if you follow this stuff at all.. this was not some blindsided change like HD-DVD taking over Bluray or whatever example you can come up with.
Spend the $140 and the hour of work to move over to PCIE if you want a new card.

YOU KNEW IT WAS COMING, and if you didnt.. you prob dont need a 7800GTX anyway.

Tough crap.

Quit trying to hold back progress for the rest of us who keep up with technology.

 

[NoVo]

I'm one of those slackers that went with 754. I wanted to wait until PCIe matured. Has it yet reached full potential with current PCIe 16x boards?

 

[imported_Rampage]

Question: how does PCIE mature? Was 16x PCIE immature on Intel or NF4?
Is PCIE "mature" now?

As far as my knowledge goes, PCIE is a standard, therefore as long as the manufacturer implements it according to (Intel's?) specs, you have as mature PCIE as you are going to get unless they do a revision.. but it will prob be backwards compatible anyway.
PCIE is not backwards compatible with AGP, therefore a horrible choice if you heard NV/ATI say the move was going to be as quick as possible.

I was one who said at last Christmas time, "IF YOU ARE BUILDING A NEW RIG NOW, MAKE SURE YOU GET PCIE" and I was laughed out of the room all across the web.
"AGP will be around for a LONG time" they say.. LOL.. Not according to the PEOPLE THAT MATTER aka NV/ATI.

Now, you are all paying for your craptastic decision.
And I'm laughing.

 

[Acanthus]

Oh for the love of god... just buy the $80 mobo.

You have to sooner or later anyway.

 

[Concillian]

Exactly. We KNEW this would be a quick transition because co-existance is implausible and having two production sets of cards just for different form factors is expensive. All manufacturers want to make the shift ASAP, and we can clearly see the pushing now.

southpaw is right, the writing was on the wall, if you look at the PCI-e / AGP discussions I was involved in at the time I was saying the same thing. It is not economically feasible for AGP to hang around a long time despite how techologically feasible it is for AGP to be around. The move to PCI-e was never primarily about video card speed and I still don't think it is. It's about improving he overall system architecture and will benefit storage and networking subsystems more than it will video cards.

 

[KoolHonda]

I'm laughing too, at the Industries ignorance or arrogance depending on ones POV. Maybe this will be the last straw that turns me towards console gaming.

 

[KoolHonda]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh for the love of god... just buy the $80 mobo.

You have to sooner or later anyway.

It would cost me a lot more than $80.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: KoolHonda

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh for the love of god... just buy the $80 mobo.

You have to sooner or later anyway.

It would cost me a lot more than $80.

If thats the case, your system is outdated and couldnt push a 6800GTX anyway.

Or youre for some reason not willing to sell your old parts.

 

[KoolHonda]

Actually my mildly oc'ed 3.0 Northwood in my i875 board pushes my 6800GT@Ultra just fine(same goes for my 3000+ Winnie in my NF3 board) I really don't need to upgrade my video at the moment (runs everything I've thrown at it just fine at 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF yadda yadda), but the fact that they don't even give me the option ticks me off. If they don't want my business fine, I'll go buy me one of them newfangled consoles when they hit the shelves.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: KoolHonda

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh for the love of god... just buy the $80 mobo.

You have to sooner or later anyway.

It would cost me a lot more than $80.

If thats the case, your system is outdated and couldnt push a 6800GTX anyway.

Or youre for some reason not willing to sell your old parts.

His system cant push a 6800GTX because it doesnt exist.

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
His system cant push a 6800GTX because it doesnt exist.

Oooooooh, pwned!

Or maybe just bieng nitpicky. He obviously meant 7800GTX.

Why do people pounce on typos thinking it proves something around here? I could turn on grammar/spelling/typo-nazi mode and piss everyone off, too, but I don't see the point.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Xentropy

Originally posted by: BouZouki
His system cant push a 6800GTX because it doesnt exist.

Oooooooh, pwned!

Or maybe just bieng nitpicky. He obviously meant 7800GTX.

Why do people pounce on typos thinking it proves something around here? I could turn on grammar/spelling/typo-nazi mode and piss everyone off, too, but I don't see the point.

Well see.. the difference is, your balls have dropped.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There's no AGP platform that support CPUs fast enough for the flagship parts, get a grip guys. If the card is CPU bottle necked, why buy the card? Not even the PCI-e platforms are fast enough yet (unless dualcore is quickly taken advantage of). You'll need to upgrade, otherwise you'll have to live with middle of the road performance

What? The X2 4400 works on my AGP 939. What else do you want?

Yeh.... my socket 939 nforce3 ultra runs the same CPUs as the latest nforce4 PCI-E boards......

 

[js186]

How about sending them a letter instead stating that charging $600 for a video card is absurd

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: js186
How about sending them a letter instead stating that charging $600 for a video card is absurd

More effective to not buy it, only problem there are plenty of people that do, **Cough** rollo

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There's no AGP platform that support CPUs fast enough for the flagship parts, get a grip guys. If the card is CPU bottle necked, why buy the card? Not even the PCI-e platforms are fast enough yet (unless dualcore is quickly taken advantage of). You'll need to upgrade, otherwise you'll have to live with middle of the road performance

What? The X2 4400 works on my AGP 939. What else do you want?

Yeh.... my socket 939 nforce3 ultra runs the same CPUs as the latest nforce4 PCI-E boards......

BUT, it doesnt run the latest video cards.

You had the advantage to use your old video card and not do the pain in the a$$ that alot of us already had to go through.. so now its your turn.

Shouldve waited for PCIE AND 939 to be together.. too bad. Now you gotta turn out the cash and effort like the rest of us.

You got the advantage of sticking with AGP, and those of us that wisely waited have our advantages as well.

Nuff said.

 

[KoolHonda]

Ohh, so because yall were the beta testers we should all make the jump. Im not buying it. Maybe if the new series had features that my 6 series didn't have, Id bite. But to go though the expense and hassle of replacing most of my rig just for a faster card is:thumbsdown:

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: KoolHonda
Ohh, so because yall were the beta testers we should all make the jump. Im not buying it. Maybe if the new series had features that my 6 series didn't have, Id bite. But to go though the expense and hassle of replacing most of my rig just for a faster card is:thumbsdown:

Then why would you post here if you dont "buy into" the R520 and G70?

This thread is for people who want a AGP G70.
And its not because we told you to "make the jump" its because Nvidia and ATI told you to.. but I guess if you want to petition to get support for a former long lasting standard that has more than had its due from ATI/NV, then sure.