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[Regs]

Good points. Keep it up!

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
These never work. There are plenty of fast cards for AGP already. Time to upgrade, and get it over with.

why would i need to upgrade? check out my sig. i wish they would offer the 7800 in AGP, because now if i want to get one, id have to get new everything. so basically, nvidia wont get business from me unless they offer AGP

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There's no AGP platform that support CPUs fast enough for the flagship parts, get a grip guys. If the card is CPU bottle necked, why buy the card? Not even the PCI-e platforms are fast enough yet (unless dualcore is quickly taken advantage of). You'll need to upgrade, otherwise you'll have to live with middle of the road performance

What? The X2 4400 works on my AGP 939. What else do you want?

Like I already said, not even dual core are fast enough (yet at least). Current PCI-e systems aren't yet fast enough (like I already said) and last I checked AGP was being phased out, don't count on AGP in future platforms either. These GPUs are CPU bottlenecked unless you're running insanely high resolutions. And unless you can afford the displays that can run such resolutions you shouldn't be too concerned about trading up for a PCI-e platform.

 

[Genx87]

If I am going to drop 600 bucks on a video card Ill be building a new system around it.

AGP is legacy and should be let die a quiet death.

 

[Bateluer]

Like AGP die as quickly as possible. Do you really want another long slot change over, like we had in the PCI/ISA days? For the love of, learn from the past people. PCIe is a superior design to the AGP slot and will support much more powerful devices than would ever have been possible with AGP/PCI.

All new gen cards should be in PCIe, at the refresh all mid and high end cards should be in PCIe. And next gen (gen after 7800/R520) should be entirely PCIe.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
There's no AGP platform that support CPUs fast enough for the flagship parts, get a grip guys. If the card is CPU bottle necked, why buy the card? Not even the PCI-e platforms are fast enough yet (unless dualcore is quickly taken advantage of). You'll need to upgrade, otherwise you'll have to live with middle of the road performance

Maybe you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about..

AGP still has a HUGE user base, even in the enthusiast market..

X2's pop right into 939 boards with no problem at all. What more could you want...Granted the 7800GTX may not come out in AGP, a high end variant is almost a must for nvidia. I don't think anyone EXPECTED a instant release of an AGP version anyhow.. No big deal...

The R520 release, whenever that is, should be exciting.

 

[cryptonomicon]

drool...

upcoming DFI lan party NF3 939 w/7800 GTX agp.

 

[JBT]

I'd probably already have a 7800 GTX if I didn't have to get rid of all my other stuff first, which probably means I won't be getting one for quite a bit.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: Ronin
scheibler, might want to do some more research. The mem controller on the 939's alone makes a huge difference.

I'll take a 4000+ over your NC any day. (or any of the FX's, for that matter).

Wow,

You do know, your memory controller on the 939 only adds a ~3% performance boost.

DC doesnt make much difference on the a64, it will on intel systems though.

s754 is just as good as s939, they both offer pci-e, I dont think 754 has SLi yet.

Maybe if you want to spend a ton of cash on dual core, then 939 is probably for you.

754 has a lot of good deals, 3400+ (rebadged FX-53).

I was running a 3400+ before my FX55 (and I was running my 3400+ at 2.5GHz). I saw a noticeable increase in performance across the board. It's not just about the mem controller, and saying that the 754 is par with the 939 is rubbish.

You saw what you wanted to see. There is about 1-5% performance increases across the board in the real world for running dual channel over single channel. The cheaper prices you can get by going s754 still cannot be beat. Due to the better price/performance, I'd easily say the s754 can be considered par to s939 in that light.

 

[imported_g33k]

Originally posted by: Ronin
scheibler, might want to do some more research. The mem controller on the 939's alone makes a huge difference.

I'll take a 4000+ over your NC any day. (or any of the FX's, for that matter).

A %5 increase over single channel ram is hardly a huge difference. Not even close to justifying the cost of a new mobo and cpu.

 

[KoolHonda]

Originally posted by: ryanv12
All I want is for them to release AGP when they do a price drop. I'm not going to spend $600, but I would likely purchase one of these cards later.

Also, it's inconveinent to have to change your motherboard and then watch Windows go BSOD, especially if you already have a nice AGP motherboard.

Same here. I don't want to replace either my i875 or NF3 boards anytime soon as they both still rock with the best of them barring an SLI setup. If Nvidia doesn't release AGP versions, then I guess they won't be getting my business anytime soon.

 

[Rage187]

I have a Shuttle, so upgrading to PCI-E isnt a $100 fix, more like $300.

 

[SVT Cobra]

I;d rather not have Nvidia bring out APG cards...id rather have them focus on PCI-E and drop the prices on those...

FFS upgrade already so Nvidia does not have to charge a premium on their cards...even if they dont up it on PCI-E cards, you will still have to pay more for APG, in that case, you might as well get a good cheap SLI board at 100$, when the prices drop soon...

 

[katwomansz]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
I;d rather not have Nvidia bring out APG cards...id rather have them focus on PCI-E and drop the prices on those...

I believe cheap AGP cards will help keep prices low for PCI-E since its a type of competition.
But that is merely my opinion.

But its also my opinion as someone mentioned that AGP has a big user base so I don't believe it will be abandoned. I belive it SHOULD die a quick death but it will not because of all the old cheap computers out there. My second computer included for the kids!

So let them bring out new cheaper LOW END AGP cards ...Until the low end computer chips running them become the bottleneck in games. THEN you need a whole new system, CPU, Video PCI-E ( in one shot...)

Edit .....Yes There is now sense to make new AGP 7800 cards Edit ..

 

[fbrdphreak]

Personally I think its time to move towards PCI-E.
I understand wanting a 7800GTX AGP, but I understand why NVIDIA isn't going to make one. PCI-E is pretty much taking over and now is a good time to start that transition. If you still have an old GF4 and was waiting till post GF6 to upgrade, then you're a little SOL unless you have an A64 and want to upgrade to a PCI-E mobo (including S754). That said, if you don't want to upgrade the whole rig just get a 6800GT/Ultra nice and cheap
Let PCI-E reign!
*Hugs my AGP A64 S754 setup *

 

[natto fire]

The only voice that companies listen to is the one that comes from your wallet. I would personally love to see a 7800 on AGP. However I am sure by the time I can afford one, I will have already switched to PCI-e anyways. (Still using a 9600XT, planning on buying 6800GT agp)

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: katwomansz

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
I;d rather not have Nvidia bring out APG cards...id rather have them focus on PCI-E and drop the prices on those...

I believe cheap AGP cards will help keep prices low for PCI-E since its a type of competition.
But that is merely my opinion.

But its also my opinion as someone mentioned that AGP has a big user base so I don't believe it will be abandoned. I belive it SHOULD die a quick death but it will not because of all the old cheap computers out there. My second computer included for the kids!

So let them bring out new cheaper LOW END AGP cards ...Until the low end computer chips running them become the bottleneck in games. THEN you need a whole new system, CPU, Video PCI-E ( in one shot...)

Edit .....Yes There is now sense to make new AGP 7800 cards Edit ..

sure there is, but IMO for most people its a waste and they do not relaize it..

BTW there is no compeition, you have to pay a premium for most this gen. cards

 

[kmmatney]

Although I'm an AGP owner, I don't see the need for an AGP 7800 part. The 6800GT is already fast enough for AGP, while the 9800Pro/6600GT offers great bang-for-buck.

Of course I'm still using an Athlon XP, so have no need whatsoever for an AGP 7800 part. However Athlon 64 owners would only have to buy a new motherboard, and this would add only $100 more to the stupidly priced 7800. Anyone crazy enough to spend that kind of money on a video card should be happy to buy a new motherbord as well.

 

[BGuardian75]

Look, nVIDIA says if there is demand for the 7800 they would consider an AGP variant. It would not be the high end version IMO anyway. If there is demand I'm sure they'd just release a mid-range card because of the severe cpu limitations on AGP boards and abandon AGP completely next product cycle. nVIDIA, just make a mid-range solution so you can satisfy all us AGP users and you'll have a card on the market to compete with ATI's r520 AGP models.

Personally I'm satisfied with my x800 so I'm skipping this gen. I need to build a whole new machine anyway so I want to see where dual core goes over the next year.

 

[VIAN]

I'm upgrading, it's time.

 

[ryanv12]

If R520 comes out in AGP, I'm probably going that route and I'll probably hang onto all of that with my X2 until I upgrade to socket M2/PCI-E.

 

[AndyD2k]

If you're willing to sepnd $600 on a card, I don't see why you can't come up with another $400 to buy a new board and cpu.

 

[KoolHonda]

It's not about the money to me. I'm very happy with my current setup, and haven't seen any benchmarks showing the upgrade being worth it unless I go all out and buy an FX CPU.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: KoolHonda
It's not about the money to me. I'm very happy with my current setup, and haven't seen any benchmarks showing the upgrade being worth it unless I go all out and buy an FX CPU.

Agreed.

 

[KoolHonda]

Yeah, the conspiracy theorist in me is starting to think NV is just trying to boost sales of it's motherboard chipsets by not offering an AGP version