Let the Manning vs Luck debate begin! *Official NFL Week 7 Thread*

[rudeguy]

THU, OCT 17
8:25 PM NFL Network
Seattle (5-1) at Arizona (3-3)

SUN, OCT 20
1:00 PM EST
Tampa Bay (0-5) at Atlanta (1-4)
FOX
Cincinnati (4-2) at Detroit (4-2)
CBS
Buffalo (2-4) at Miami (3-2)
CBS
New England (5-1) at NY Jets (3-3)
CBS
Dallas (3-3) at Philadelphia (3-3)
FOX
Chicago (4-2) at Washington (1-4)
FOX
St. Louis (3-3) at Carolina (2-3)
FOX
San Diego (3-3) at Jacksonville (0-6)
CBS
4:05 PM
San Francisco (4-2) at Tennessee (3-3)
FOX
4:25 PM
Baltimore (3-3) at Pittsburgh (1-4)
CBS
Cleveland (3-3) at Green Bay (3-2)
CBS
Houston (2-4) at Kansas City (6-0)
CBS
8:30 PM
Denver (6-0) at Indianapolis (4-2)
NBC

MON, OCT 21
8:30 PM
Minnesota (1-4) at NY Giants (0-6)
ESPN


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standings
AFC East
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
New York Jets
Buffalo Bills

AFC North
Cincinnati Bengals
Baltimore Ravens
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans
Houston Texans
Jacksonville Jaguars

AFC West
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
San Diego Chargers
Oakland Raiders

NFC East
Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
New York Giants

NFC North
Detroit Lions
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings

NFC South
New Orleans Saints
Carolina Panthers
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

NFC West
Seattle Seahawks
San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams
Arizona Cardinals

 

[diesbudt]

Even though they have a same record with Denver. 6 weeks in, to see the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Division is quite spectacular. (Tie Breakers)

 

[TheSlamma]

Even though they have a same record with Denver. 6 weeks in, to see the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Division is quite spectacular. (Tie Breakers)

Man... Houston, the Frowns, Skins and they draw Indy at Arrowhead in December, they def are set to also have a 14-X with the way that Defense is playing. Only unknown is when they play the Broncos. Will def be the games to watch.

 

[Zargon]

Here are my initials w/o checking into injuries ETC

Seattle (5-1) at Arizona (3-3)(could be a good game, with seattle struggling as of late)

Tampa Bay (0-5) at Atlanta (1-4)

Cincinnati (4-2) at Detroit (4-2) (torn...go bengals )

Buffalo (2-4) at Miami (3-2)

New England (5-1) at NY Jets (3-3)(not that sure, but boy NE handled NO)

Dallas (3-3) at Philadelphia (3-3)

Chicago (4-2) at Washington (1-4)

St. Louis (3-3) at Carolina (2-3)(torn.)

San Diego (3-3) at Jacksonville (0-6)

San Francisco (4-2) at Tennessee (3-3)(if locker was back Id pick the Titans)

Baltimore (3-3) at Pittsburgh (1-4)
CBS
Cleveland (3-3) at Green Bay (3-2) (id rather have the browns win..)

Houston (2-4) at Kansas City (6-0)

Denver (6-0) at Indianapolis (4-2)


Minnesota (1-4) at NY Giants (0-6)(Minn seems prime to lose to anybody)

 

[rudeguy]

Here are my initials w/o checking into injuries ETC

Can you pick both Giants and Vikings to lose?

Not a whole lot of exciting games this week. Manning vs Luck is the only one that interests me. Detroit could very easily lose to the Kitties if their defense slips.

 

[Phoenix86]

Just because they are playing doesn't make it a debate, fail title.

 

[JEDI]

so why did Indy trade Manning in the 1st place?
sure he had a neck injury. but he recovered. and they still traded him?!

 

[Retro Rob]

Monday Night could possibly have a terrible game.

The upset game could be the Chargers getting whipped. They (Rivers) basically said they'd be 4-3 by their bye week.

It wouldn't be a shocker, but boy would Phil have to eat those words.

 

[techs]

Jets-Pats should be a good game. The Jets need to win or pretty much fall out of the race.

 

[jaedaliu]

so why did Indy trade Manning in the 1st place?
sure he had a neck injury. but he recovered. and they still traded him?!

He hadn't demonstrated that he recovered. Early results from last year showed that he still hadn't and he was playing.

That, and the age difference is pretty big. They could have kept Manning around to develop Luck more slowly, but they chose not to.

 

[Retro Rob]

He hadn't demonstrated that he recovered. Early results from last year showed that he still hadn't and he was playing.

That, and the age difference is pretty big. They could have kept Manning around to develop Luck more slowly, but they chose not to.

Yeah, and that's looking like a well-timed move for both teams with, of course, the Colts winning because they have a very good, young QB while Denver gets probably the best QB of our lifetimes playing better than he's ever played.

If I knew I were getting this in Luck, yeah, I'd let Manning go too.

 

[preslove]

You don't rebuild with a contract like manning's. Especially when he's old and more injury prone, while your offensive line sucks a big fat one. Better to pay less for your qb and build up your OL, since a leaky OL can lead to another season ending injury.

Andrew Luck
Football player
Andrew Austen Luck is an American football quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts of the National Football League.
Born: September 12, 1989 (age 24), Washington, D.C.
40 yard dash time: 4.6 seconds
Salary: 390,000 USD (2012)


Peyton Manning
Football player
Peyton Williams Manning is an American football quarterback for the Denver Broncos of the National Football League. He played for the Indianapolis Colts for 14 seasons from 1998 to 2011.
Born: March 24, 1976 (age 37), New Orleans, LA
Spouse: Ashley Thompson (m. 2001)
Salary: 18 million USD (2012)

 

[rudeguy]

so why did Indy trade Manning in the 1st place?
sure he had a neck injury. but he recovered. and they still traded him?!

they were concerned that the NFL would find out that he is really an android now. There weren't any clear rules on androids playing but they had a lot of money at stake.

I would say it was a good move for both teams.

 

[Phoenix86]

so why did Indy trade Manning in the 1st place?
sure he had a neck injury. but he recovered. and they still traded him?!

Future proofing. I can't say it was a bad decision even with hindsight. Are you suggesting Luck won't be a good QB in 5 years? Will Manning?

Then add in the unknown at the time if Manning would recover, they didn't know when they traded him.

 

[rudeguy]

Yeah, and that's looking like a well-timed move for both teams with, of course, the Colts winning because they have a very good, young QB while Denver gets probably the best QB of our lifetimes playing better than he's ever played.

If I knew I were getting this in Luck, yeah, I'd let Manning go too.

I was on a soap box saying it was time for Peyton to quit and become a coach. I was very loud about it. Then when the trade was announced, I basically called every person in Indy's office a moron.

Holy shit was I wrong.

 

[Phoenix86]

I was on a soap box saying it was time for Peyton to quit and become a coach. I was very loud about it. Then when the trade was announced, I basically called every person in Indy's office a moron.

Holy shit was I wrong.

:thumbsup:

 

[tmc]

denver all the way!

 

[Retro Rob]

I was on a soap box saying it was time for Peyton to quit and become a coach. I was very loud about it. Then when the trade was announced, I basically called every person in Indy's office a moron.

Holy shit was I wrong.

If Manning was 100% healthy and they made that move, I would have called them idiots too.

But we have to remember that Manning's contract was conditional with Denver, so they weren't completely sure he would come back. The neck injury just compounded the fact, and with that massive contract and needing to rebuild, it was actually the perfect storm for Indy., IMHO.

 

[Capt Caveman]

so why did Indy trade Manning in the 1st place?
sure he had a neck injury. but he recovered. and they still traded him?!

First off, he wasn't traded. Indy let him become a free agent and he then signed with Denver. Pretty easy to understand why but you're not that smart.

Outside of Denver/Indy, not any other exciting games to watch. Horrible MNF match-up.

 

[Phoenix86]

Outside of Denver/Indy, not any other exciting games to watch. Horrible MNF match-up.

MNF just isn't the same since the ESPN switch.

 

[Capt Caveman]

MNF just isn't the same since the ESPN switch.

Yeah, the big game is now Sunday night.

 

[dainthomas]

Is Freeman going to start for the Vikes Monday? I can't imagine they'll still play Cassell after his implosion Sunday.

 

[Imported]

Seattle (5-1) at Arizona (3-3)
Tampa Bay (0-5) at Atlanta (1-4)
Cincinnati (4-2) at Detroit (4-2)
Buffalo (2-4) at Miami (3-2)
New England (5-1) at NY Jets (3-3)
Dallas (3-3) at Philadelphia (3-3)
Chicago (4-2) at Washington (1-4)
St. Louis (3-3) at Carolina (2-3)
San Diego (3-3) at Jacksonville (0-6)
San Francisco (4-2) at Tennessee (3-3)
Baltimore (3-3) at Pittsburgh (1-4)
Cleveland (3-3) at Green Bay (3-2)
Houston (2-4) at Kansas City (6-0)
Denver (6-0) at Indianapolis (4-2)
Minnesota (1-4) at NY Giants (0-6)

Jacksonville gets their first win this week.

 

[techs]

C'mon. Four years from now when Peyton is home training the next generation of Manning qb's Luck will be playing in the Pro Bowl.

Ten years from now Anandtech newbies will be saying they never got to see Peyton play, while Luck is going one and out in the playoffs.

The Colts did the absolute smart thing.

If the Colts had kept Manning you would have to take 17.5 million dollars of talent off the Colts roster, plus sacrifice talent at other positions to strengthen the Colts O Line. Manning wouldn't be breaking any records then.

Of course if Luck had sucked I would have gleefully enjoyed the field day the internet would have had with Irsay.

 

[Adrenaline]

Manning told Colts to draft Luck

I can't wait for the Broncos vs Colts.