Let the tip war begin! - Woman uses "single mom" as excuse not to tip, total - $138

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MonKENy

Platinum Member
Nov 1, 2007
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Yea, and those people serving your food go "home" to lean-to's and eat rice.

not sure if trolling or serious....

in case serious

Almost every country except the USA doesnt do or expect tips. almost all of Europe and Asia
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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OK thats nice. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but thats nice.

Are you bringing big piles of cash to the bank? Are buying carbon fiber golf clubs every weekend? Do you have an M3? Can you get chicks diamond bracelets? Do you have a 6000 square foot house?
 

1sikbITCH

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2001
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They should be able to post the pictures of people like this on the wall of restaurants like they used to do with those who passed bad cheques, so then you can turn them away at the door. Damn deadbeat cheapskates.

KT

Approx 30 years ago as a teenager I bussed tables in a restaurant for a summer. I would say nearly every single weekend when the families of non-tippers came in to eat I saw the waiters telling the kitchen which orders were the non-tippers, and I ROUTINELY watched the waiters spit in the food, wipe it on the floor, and blow snot into it. I am sure it got even worse than that but I didn't want to know about it.
Children, wives, grandparents, all ate that shit (literally I am sure) because one mofo was too cheap to leave a couple bucks for the waiter.

For this reason I almost never eat food that I did not observe being prepared and when social circumstances dictate that I do visit a tipping type of establishment I pay the ransom. Fuck that.
 

stonecold3169

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Jan 30, 2001
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Approx 30 years ago as a teenager I bussed tables in a restaurant for a summer. I would say nearly every single weekend when the families of non-tippers came in to eat I saw the waiters telling the kitchen which orders were the non-tippers, and I ROUTINELY watched the waiters spit in the food, wipe it on the floor, and blow snot into it. I am sure it got even worse than that but I didn't want to know about it.
Children, wives, grandparents, all ate that shit (literally I am sure) because one mofo was too cheap to leave a couple bucks for the waiter.

For this reason I almost never eat food that I did not observe being prepared and when social circumstances dictate that I do visit a tipping type of establishment I pay the ransom. Fuck that.

This right here pretty much sums up the problem (although much more drastic then most places).

Really, management just needs to grow a backbone. I don't buy into the whole "better tip = better service" bit. Every other service based operation (I should know, I run a $45M big box) sets a standard for service, and holds accountable for performance. If I witnessed the above mentioned behavior, I'd be terminating or having charges pressed... and guess what? Given a few months, suddenly either everyone would be providing great customer service, or be unemployed.

Also, people in the industry need to understand that being "hard" doesn't mean you should be bringing home $40k+ a year. As mentioned several times in this post, waitresses/waiters make well above minimum wage and yet still complain about it. I really don't understand this mentality at all.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Approx 30 years ago as a teenager I bussed tables in a restaurant for a summer. I would say nearly every single weekend when the families of non-tippers came in to eat I saw the waiters telling the kitchen which orders were the non-tippers, and I ROUTINELY watched the waiters spit in the food, wipe it on the floor, and blow snot into it. I am sure it got even worse than that but I didn't want to know about it.
Children, wives, grandparents, all ate that shit (literally I am sure) because one mofo was too cheap to leave a couple bucks for the waiter.

For this reason I almost never eat food that I did not observe being prepared and when social circumstances dictate that I do visit a tipping type of establishment I pay the ransom. Fuck that.

yeah i doubt it was as bad as you are trying make it.

If so the owner/manager is risking a lot if it happens so often..
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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This right here pretty much sums up the problem (although much more drastic then most places).

Really, management just needs to grow a backbone. I don't buy into the whole "better tip = better service" bit. Every other service based operation (I should know, I run a $45M big box) sets a standard for service, and holds accountable for performance. If I witnessed the above mentioned behavior, I'd be terminating or having charges pressed... and guess what? Given a few months, suddenly either everyone would be providing great customer service, or be unemployed.

Also, people in the industry need to understand that being "hard" doesn't mean you should be bringing home $40k+ a year. As mentioned several times in this post, waitresses/waiters make well above minimum wage and yet still complain about it. I really don't understand this mentality at all.

Yeah thats my beef. It used to be a tip was earned for special service otherwise you got nothing.
Now people expect a good tip just to do their minimum effort at a job. Then they dont understand why all the good work is being sent to India and Korea.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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Yeah thats my beef. It used to be a tip was earned for special service otherwise you got nothing.
Now people expect a good tip just to do their minimum effort at a job. Then they dont understand why all the good work is being sent to India and Korea.

The jobs you are talking about are manufacturing and data /call services for the most part, some coding too but nothing involving tipping. Some might argue that it's the restaurant owners who should compensate staff adequately without tipping but that extra cost would then be added to the price of a meal anyway. As it is now try and tip something, $138 is not a cheap meal and cheap bitch should have the ability to add a tip..
 

Gerle

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Aug 9, 2009
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exactly, that's the difference in this country, while being a server or similar job you can make a living wage! not in Scandinavia.

Friend, you are wrong. Do you really believe no-one makes a living, and a good one at that, as a server in any of the Scandinavian countries? What do you base your assumption on?
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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The jobs you are talking about are manufacturing and data /call services for the most part, some coding too but nothing involving tipping. Some might argue that it's the restaurant owners who should compensate staff adequately without tipping but that extra cost would then be added to the price of a meal anyway. As it is now try and tip something, $138 is not a cheap meal and cheap bitch should have the ability to add a tip..

Yur supposed to work your way up from tipping to a good job. If tipping jobs suck so much why do people half ass them? Do they really think that kind of work ethic nabs good jobs?


And I agree 100 percent the lady was a bitch. If she is a struggling mother why the fuck is she getting expensive restaurant meals? and if she can afford a nice restaurant meal why the fuck cant she tip?
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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If you have to tip to get good service, you need to find somewhere else to eat. People need to give good service no matter what, it's a customer service job, it's in their basic job description. I don't understand giving something extra for the bare minimum. Plus these servers are not hurting for money at all, they make minimum wage plus tips and take home decent money. That's why they do it.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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This right here pretty much sums up the problem (although much more drastic then most places).

Really, management just needs to grow a backbone. I don't buy into the whole "better tip = better service" bit. Every other service based operation (I should know, I run a $45M big box) sets a standard for service, and holds accountable for performance. If I witnessed the above mentioned behavior, I'd be terminating or having charges pressed... and guess what? Given a few months, suddenly either everyone would be providing great customer service, or be unemployed.

Also, people in the industry need to understand that being "hard" doesn't mean you should be bringing home $40k+ a year. As mentioned several times in this post, waitresses/waiters make well above minimum wage and yet still complain about it. I really don't understand this mentality at all.


These complaints are from low end servers or establishments. I work in a neighborhood full of six digit servers and bartenders. I got $7 on $93 last night and it didn't affect me one bit mentally. 15 minutes later I got $20 on $75, it all evens out.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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These complaints are from low end servers or establishments. I work in a neighborhood full of six digit servers and bartenders. I got $7 on $93 last night and it didn't affect me one bit mentally. 15 minutes later I got $20 on $75, it all evens out.

when i delivered pizza's i found that true. it all evens out in the end. IF i got 2-3 that didn't tip i usually got 1 really good tip (always from middle class people). my tips were consistent weekend to weekend.

considering i was getting minimum wage+$.50 a delivery and tips on top of that? i was getting a good pay.
 
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These complaints are from low end servers or establishments. I work in a neighborhood full of six digit servers and bartenders. I got $7 on $93 last night and it didn't affect me one bit mentally. 15 minutes later I got $20 on $75, it all evens out.

I believe there is a skill in waiting on people whether it be drinks or food. A lot of these atot geeks that think wait staff are below them couldn't last one day doing your jobs. A pretty girl would ask for a drink and they'd freeze up and probably jizz their pants while stuttering. I know for a fact I couldn't do it. Im an antisocial type and would probably get removed after an hour.
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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Cheap fucking bitch. If it was great service as described on the ticket, leave a tip. If you can't afford to leave a tip, you can't afford to eat $138. Fuck her.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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I believe there is a skill in waiting on people whether it be drinks or food. A lot of these atot geeks that think wait staff are below them couldn't last one day doing your jobs. A pretty girl would ask for a drink and they'd freeze up and probably jizz their pants while stuttering. I know for a fact I couldn't do it. Im an antisocial type and would probably get removed after an hour.

Heh for me its a super easy job but yeah most people would be overwhelmed. The social aspect, the multi tasking, prioritizing, the salesman aspect, etc.
 

TraumaRN

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Jun 5, 2005
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Two things have happened to me recently regarding tips.

The first was I ordered Jimmy Johns delivery to work. It was a Wednesday night about 7:30pm. This Jimmy Johns is practically a stones throw from our ER. Usual delivery time is under 5 minutes which for us ER nurses is awesome. However this time my usual sub + drink took about 20 minutes. I actually called them back asking where the driver was. Got managerial runaround. Guy finally shows up. It's $6.35. I hand him $10. He literally takes it and starts to walk away. I said excuse me sir I'd like change. He turns around stunned, and says that isn't my tip. I politely say no, I'd like change then I will tip him. He makes change, and I give him one extra dollar. He looked like I killed his favorite puppy and walks out of the ER. My co-worker who witnessed it couldn't believe how rude he was.

I stand by what I did because I still tipped him 15%, he's lucky he got that after the bullshit he tried to pull. Your business is 1/4 mile from my ER and it took you 20 minutes to make a cold sandwich then you think you deserve a 75% tip?? Screw you.


Second was going to a steakhouse my cousin works at. Apparently my cousin told our waitress that we were cousins. Waitress gave fair service, not great me and girlfriend were in a hurry to make a movie and she was rather slow taking our order and bringing the check I tipped her 18%. She complained in this manner to my cousin on facebook. "20% or 25% I have to make a living here, otherwise don't go out to eat."

My response, to her would be FU. You got a reasonable tip and I knocked a couple percent off because you were honestly slow in two instances and again your restaurant barely had a pulse at the time. If you are going to bitch over 2% on a 35 dollar tab then you need to reexamine your head, considering you are throwing a hissy fit over approximately 75 cents.
 

mizzou

Diamond Member
Jan 2, 2008
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I simply cannot afford to tip you even %1 after eating your delicious caviar, I am poor!
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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Yur supposed to work your way up from tipping to a good job. If tipping jobs suck so much why do people half ass them? Do they really think that kind of work ethic nabs good jobs?


And I agree 100 percent the lady was a bitch. If she is a struggling mother why the fuck is she getting expensive restaurant meals? and if she can afford a nice restaurant meal why the fuck cant she tip?

I've worked in restaurants, some of those waitpersons bust their ass making people happy, you always get some that suck but overall it's not an easy job at all, people use you like an emotional tampon to absorb anything they don't like about the restaurant or the food, the parking lot, you name it..
 

DCal430

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Feb 12, 2011
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What you are basically looking at is a way for resaurant/bar owners to advertise one price on a menu that bears no reality to the actual price you will pay. Pay ALL staff a minimum wage set by the government and tip for excellent service/good food/because you are drunk and the server has awesome boobs/any other reason. It works all over the world, is fair and stops all these stupid arguements about whether servers actually make minimum wage or not.

Morraly compulsory tipping is the stupidest idea ever created and the fact that some places expect you to tip while others don't would be confusing as hell for a foreigner like me.

Many states require waiters make at least minimum wage BEFORE tips, yet tips are still expected in these states. So what you are saying doesn't work. Unless we start paying waiters 20+ an hour tips will always be expected.
 

Fingolfin269

Lifer
Feb 28, 2003
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The tipping here has just gotten out of control. Seems like anywhere you go now there is a tip jar sitting out.
 

Number1

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Feb 24, 2006
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She was probably feeding 10 children, no wonder she can't afford a tip.
 
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